Marian Hossa, merged

[Probie 7]

He scored in 3 out of 23 games.

Stop kissing his ass and admit that he's sucked and underachieved, or else you sound like some Hossa homer. Every statement you've made defending his play is stupid. There is no defending him, unless he was playing with a concussion the entire playoffs.

Hossa was a non factor, and didnt play with Fire. He was along for the ride.

I still thing the team underperformed. That being said, even underperforming, they would have won if they were more healthy. Not an excuse, just a fact. Lilja would have helped, he was no worst then out number 3 dman during the reg season and would have been a steadying influence in the playoffs. Stuart f***ed up bad tonight but had a good playoff(him and kronner sucked as a defensive pair through the reg season).

[titanium2 867]

Wrong again. Those were his four most recent post-season runs, with the exception of Atlanta, when he had a shoulder injury that required off-season surgery. Atlanta was and will continue to be a lousy team. The fact that Hossa scored 100 points in a season for them is one of the few reasons why they made the playoffs to begin with.

He's been to the finals in consecutive seasons and made it to the conference finals once with Ottawa. I'd hardly call that "little playoff success."

Ok so he's a regular season player. He can play 82 games and carry a team through a regular season but when the playoffs come and the intensity rises then he gets injured or for whatever reason just shouldn't be relied on to make a huge difference. Regardless of the two or three good playoff runs he's been a part of and until he shows otherwise, that's his career.

I don't believe in pointing to injuries. You get paid to keep your body healthy with proper diet and conditioning even if you play an intense contact sport. Why is it that Lidstrom was able to stay so durable during his 10 million dollar contract seasons?

No one gives you respect, you have to earn it one way or another.

[soonboomer 31]

You haven't provided a single thing. You said "he sucks" and "he's lazy." Those aren't reasons why he sucks. I've shown you that he's a good player with more objective statistics than you can even comprehend. Learn to make an argument. For your own sake, if nothing else.

Watch your stupidity, kid. You could be 60 and it wouldn't change the fact that you've got the intellect of a teenager in middle school.

They have to blame Hossa (I think he might have kicked one of their dogs or something) because he's the convenient scapegoat. It's common knowledge that he caused Stuart to turn the puck over tonite, he caused Kronwall to hit the crossbar instead of burying that shot, and had the gall to make Lidstrom miss the net with 6 seconds left. Same with the turnovers in game 6...yep, all Hossa's fault. What are you, blind or something?

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

I'm done with the idiocy than infects these boards. If you had even an ounce of hockey knowledge, you'd realize that a player's contributions go beyond tallying points.

Then begone and follow your boy HOssa out the door.

[OsGOD 3]

They have to blame Hossa (I think he might have kicked one of their dogs or something) because he's the convenient scapegoat. It's common knowledge that he caused Stuart to turn the puck over tonite, he caused Kronwall to hit the crossbar instead of burying that shot, and had the gall to make Lidstrom miss the net with 6 seconds left. Same with the turnovers in game 6...yep, all Hossa's fault. What are you, blind or something?

conversly... what positive did Hossa do today that helped us in a 2-1 loss for the 2nd straight game??

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

They have to blame Hossa (I think he might have kicked one of their dogs or something) because he's the convenient scapegoat. It's common knowledge that he caused Stuart to turn the puck over tonite, he caused Kronwall to hit the crossbar instead of burying that shot, and had the gall to make Lidstrom miss the net with 6 seconds left. Same with the turnovers in game 6...yep, all Hossa's fault. What are you, blind or something?

oh no, not you again, son.

[hckypete96 3]

i think hossa will be back... 6 year 36 mil

[titanium2 867]

I'm done with the idiocy than infects these boards. If you had even an ounce of hockey knowledge, you'd realize that a player's contributions go beyond tallying points.

It's true that a player's contributions go beyond points. But Hossa was expected to rack them up by not only the fans but his teammates as well. And he failed. Move on. Your intelligence should allow you to see that.

[PDX Wingman 0]

Injury my arse! Hossa's got no excuse, besides the fact that he's an overpaid professional loser! The rest of the Wings played admirably and deserved to win the Cup. Considering how it's damn near impossible to repeat these days, they really deserve commendation. But Hossa the Loser deserves to be banned from going 100 miles within the city of Detroit. Hell, he's such a frickin' loser that he ought to be banned from playing in the NHL, period. Let that scumbag waste away in the Kontinental League where his ilk belongs! Out of the four loses we sustained in this Final, three were essentially by one goal (one of the two-goal losses featured an empty-netter). Hossa is a one-dimensional piece of trash who's only good for one thing, supposedly - scoring goals. If he just managed to score ONCE in seven games, the Wings would have won the series, as they should have.

Hell, if the loser were benched after game two and Abdelkader was kept in, this thing would have been over on Tuesday at the latest.

Hossa lost. The Wings did not.

[titanium2 867]

They have to blame Hossa (I think he might have kicked one of their dogs or something) because he's the convenient scapegoat. It's common knowledge that he caused Stuart to turn the puck over tonite, he caused Kronwall to hit the crossbar instead of burying that shot, and had the gall to make Lidstrom miss the net with 6 seconds left. Same with the turnovers in game 6...yep, all Hossa's fault. What are you, blind or something?

He's blind in the sense that he's just stubborn to face the fact that Hossa isn't as good as he thinks he is. The truth hurts sometimes. Deal with it.

[soonboomer 31]

conversly... what positive did Hossa do today that helped us in a 2-1 loss for the 2nd straight game??

He did about as much as the rest of our superstars who managed to stay off the score sheet tonite, but for some strange (but consistent) reason, he always managed to get himself singled out for the blame......or have I missed something here?

[OsGOD 3]

Injury my arse! Hossa's got no excuse, besides the fact that he's an overpaid professional loser! The rest of the Wings played admirably and deserved to win the Cup. Considering how it's damn near impossible to repeat these days, they really deserve commendation. But Hossa the Loser deserves to be banned from going 100 miles within the city of Detroit. Hell, he's such a frickin' loser that he ought to be banned from playing in the NHL, period. Let that scumbag waste away in the Kontinental League where his ilk belongs! Out of the four loses we sustained in this Final, three were essentially by one goal (one of the two-goal losses featured an empty-netter). Hossa is a one-dimensional piece of trash who's only good for one thing, supposedly - scoring goals. If he just managed to score ONCE in seven games, the Wings would have won the series, as they should have.

Hell, if the loser were benched after game two and Abdelkader was kept in, this thing would have been over on Tuesday at the latest.

Hossa lost. The Wings did not.

I would watch your back... people might start calling you a 4yr old for your avatar

I still prefer f*** HOSSA but yeah yours is funny too!

[vangvace 12]

He did about as much as the rest of our superstars who managed to stay off the score sheet tonite, but for some strange (but consistent) reason, he always managed to get himself singled out for the blame......or have I missed something here?

Because the other superstars are busy playing defense against the two headed monster while Hossa skated behind the net to the corner, pulled a Sammy, and gave the puck away.

[T.Low 1,011]

I'm done with the idiocy than infects these boards. If you had even an ounce of hockey knowledge, you'd realize that a player's contributions go beyond tallying points.

While i agree with you in principle, and I am a huge Hossa fan since his arrival and subsequent regular season play, he was successfully shut down most all playoffs. And he is a go to guy. Hossa is looked to to contribute tallying points.

He needs to score. He did not score, was a non factor. At 7.4 million dollars. That cannot be.

[TheOwl 77]

Injury my arse! Hossa's got no excuse, besides the fact that he's an overpaid professional loser! The rest of the Wings played admirably and deserved to win the Cup. Considering how it's damn near impossible to repeat these days, they really deserve commendation. But Hossa the Loser deserves to be banned from going 100 miles within the city of Detroit. Hell, he's such a frickin' loser that he ought to be banned from playing in the NHL, period. Let that scumbag waste away in the Kontinental League where his ilk belongs! Out of the four loses we sustained in this Final, three were essentially by one goal (one of the two-goal losses featured an empty-netter). Hossa is a one-dimensional piece of trash who's only good for one thing, supposedly - scoring goals. If he just managed to score ONCE in seven games, the Wings would have won the series, as they should have.

Hell, if the loser were benched after game two and Abdelkader was kept in, this thing would have been over on Tuesday at the latest.

Hossa lost. The Wings did not.

We all lost, but I somewhat agree. He's got zero excuse. He gets paid 7.45 to score goals. Not be great defensively, or float around with the puck just to throw it away. That's Sammy's job. I forgive Sammy though. He was clutch in that Anaheim series. Some guys earned the right to sit back. But Hossa, man Hossa didn't show up in any series. And when he did, Flipulla earned most of those gifts he sent Hossa's way.

Hossa had the most to prove. Everyone else has rings, everyone else didn't switch teams to win a cup. This was Hossa's series. He could've made a difference in any of the games, and he would of won the Cup. But no. He didn't show up. He didn't show up when the Wings were 2-0, he didn't show up when the Wings were 2-1, and he didn't show up in Game's 6 and 7. He could've choosen at random any of those games to make a difference, to score a goal, and he didn't. He choked, the Wings just got beat. One game Hossa, one game from the Cup. And you blew it. You.

The simple fact is, if Hossa would've shown up to one of the last FIVE games, and he would've had the Cup. That was the difference in this series. 1 goal. And he could'n't provide.

But he should come back, if and only if he takes exactly or less then what Franzen took. He let me down too, but at least he showed up to more then 2 games.

[titanium2 867]

I guess Hossa's represenative is gone. It's too bad.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Hossa's play was befitting of a 3rd line center, not a superstar player.

I can't believe this was even the same guy from the regular season. I guess he and Joe Thornton should think about playing together someday.

[soonboomer 31]

Because the other superstars are busy playing defense against the two headed monster while Hossa skated behind the net to the corner, pulled a Sammy, and gave the puck away.

Really??.....wow, I guess that the stat that he led the team in takeways and was one of the few on the team who had a positive takeaway to givaway ratio meant nothing. Ahh, but I know, I know.......lets not get the facts get in the way of a good discussion.

[OsGOD 3]

Really??.....wow, I guess that the stat that he led the team in takeways and was one of the few on the team who had a positive takeaway to givaway ratio meant nothing. Ahh, but I know, I know.......lets not get the facts get in the way of a good discussion.

who actually counts those for record? some monkey who is supposedly unbiased saying ohhh thats a giveaway or ohhh thats a takeaway

just wondering what the margin of error is for some stat that can go either way

[T.Low 1,011]

Injury my arse! Hossa's got no excuse, besides the fact that he's an overpaid professional loser! The rest of the Wings played admirably and deserved to win the Cup. Considering how it's damn near impossible to repeat these days, they really deserve commendation. But Hossa the Loser deserves to be banned from going 100 miles within the city of Detroit. Hell, he's such a frickin' loser that he ought to be banned from playing in the NHL, period. Let that scumbag waste away in the Kontinental League where his ilk belongs! Out of the four loses we sustained in this Final, three were essentially by one goal (one of the two-goal losses featured an empty-netter). Hossa is a one-dimensional piece of trash who's only good for one thing, supposedly - scoring goals. If he just managed to score ONCE in seven games, the Wings would have won the series, as they should have.

Hell, if the loser were benched after game two and Abdelkader was kept in, this thing would have been over on Tuesday at the latest.

Hossa lost. The Wings did not.

Wow. You either don't know when to say when with the sarcasm thing, or you're paddling down de nile.

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

Really??.....wow, I guess that the stat that he led the team in takeways and was one of the few on the team who had a positive takeaway to givaway ratio meant nothing. Ahh, but I know, I know.......lets not get the facts get in the way of a good discussion.

When he's making 7.4 mill a year to score goals, then no, having a positive ratio like that means NOTHING when he hasn't scored anything.

Son.

[Nightfall 871]

I'll point to reasons a team lost a single game (thank you, Chris Osgood and Brad Stuart), but I refuse to attribute a SERIES loss to a single player, unless the same player contributes heavily to four losses. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Like I said, Osgood was asked to do nothing but make routine saves tonight and he couldn't do it.

Of course, our lack of goal scoring had nothing to do with game 6 and 7 losses. Anytime you only give up 2 goals in a game as a goaltender, you have to think you are in a good position to win. Kinda hard to win with only 1 goal scored in a game.

[JayUp88 1]

I would like to thank most of you for proving how stupid you really are. You wave the Hossa flag all year long then when we get in the finals and he gets shut down by his former team you all throw him under the bus. Sounds like fair weather fans to me.

[titanium2 867]

I would like to thank most of you for proving how stupid you really are. You wave the Hossa flag all year long then when we get in the finals and he gets shut down by his former team you all throw him under the bus. Sounds like fair weather fans to me.

I felt like he was a perimeter player during the regular season. I wasn't waving the flag-I was happy he was scoring goals but at the same time I had this nagging feeling that he wasn't going to score the way he did in the playoffs.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

I would like to thank most of you for proving how stupid you really are. You wave the Hossa flag all year long then when we get in the finals and he gets shut down by his former team you all throw him under the bus. Sounds like fair weather fans to me.

Hossa is a fairweather player.

We don't owe him anyting. He was only here for a year, and it ended in disappointment. That's how we'll always remember it.