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#41 Zetterling

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 08:03 AM

Manufactured championship IMO. Look at Washinghton, look at the Hurricanes.

#42 Flamezfan

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 08:29 AM

I havce to laugh whenever I see a thread like this, especially from Wings fans. Your team is the greatest interference team in the league and doesn't get called.

Simple fact is the Wings D failed to play the puck, it was the biggest weakness all season long. Look at some facts. almost 60 more goals from last year during the regular season, one of the worst PKs, that means something is wrong defensively, and during game 7 it showed.

It wasn't the ref, but a team that is more used to winning games offensively than defensively. The Pens were a better defensive team and when the Wings offensive died so did their winning.

#43 Stiffy

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 08:30 AM

You want to blame something for the Wings loss, try this:



If any Penns fan were to see this thread, they would probably feel great about and laugh their asses off. I would if it were the other way. A bunch of spoiled whiney Wings fans who are even bigger sore losers than Crosby was last year.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 08:40 AM

QUOTE (Stiffy @ June 13, 2009 - 07:30AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If any Penns fan were to see this thread, they would probably feel great about and laugh their asses off. I would if it were the other way. A bunch of spoiled whiney Wings fans who are even bigger sore losers than Crosby was last year.

Oh, but there's a huge difference. When the Pens fans and/or Crosby whine about something, they're doing it because they're a bunch of whiners and that's what they do. Babies.

When Wings fans do it, it's because we're pointing out the obvious that the Wings are clearly getting screwed.

I hope this clears everything up.

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#45 Kicksave

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 08:43 AM

QUOTE (djt813 @ June 13, 2009 - 02:59AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I welcome any Pittsburgh apologist to come up with anywhere near the number of shafts we got, especially those leading to goals...


How about earlier in the series when Hossa slashed and broke the stick of a Penguins player, only to seconds later set up a goal that put the game away in Detroit?

#46 trogdor

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:18 AM

if there was no bias in this series,
then why the NBC "star" cam only on crosby?
why all the cosby and pen commercials? from both nbc and the league.





#47 Zack is Great

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:22 AM

QUOTE (Kicksave @ June 13, 2009 - 08:43AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How about earlier in the series when Hossa slashed and broke the stick of a Penguins player, only to seconds later set up a goal that put the game away in Detroit?


You mean the thing that never happened? Dupuis swung his stick and broke it on Hossas foot. Cry more.

#48 FLWINGSFAN4013

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:30 AM

we won 1st two and could not win 2 out of 5
Pit won 4 out of 5

A win is a win by 1 or 100

time to move on

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:33 AM

Refs schmefs. We came out flat. We were worn out and beat up, made mental msitakes (turnovers) and physical mistakes (Rafalski looking like he was escorting Stahl in on the shorthanded goal that turned the series around).

Pittsburgh won. Detroit lost.

Maybe this will put some jump back in there step.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:36 AM

Wahhhhh refs. Wahhhh conspiracy. Lose with some dignity, for christ's sake. Why go down this road of stupidity? Does it make the loss any easier to stupidly blame the refs? Is it convenient so that you don't have to blame the RED WINGS for not playing a better game? No matter what it is, it's s***ty.

#51 Dr Rosenrosen

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:41 AM

To all the Wings fans not making excuses (which is most of you): Great series. It makes it that much sweeter to beat the very best.

To the OP and the rest of you whiners: Suck it.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:47 AM

Wow, lots of losers whining on this thread, "but but but, it was the refs fault" sob sob sob,,,, shake your heads. You guys got the breaks in games 1 and 2, if not then the series could have been a sweep for the Pens. The only game the wings were truly the better team was game 5. The wings D could not handle the Pens fore check and as a result spent long periods of time chasing the Pens in their own zone which not only created scoring chances for the Pens, but also wore down the wings, that was the difference. That and the fact that the Pens have more depth.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:49 AM

QUOTE (djt813 @ June 13, 2009 - 03:27AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe you are more graceful than I, but I can't give them that much credit. Yes we got away with some calls. Just because we got more PP doesn't mean they didn't deserve more calls than they got. Yes, we didn't get the job done on the PP, or overall for that matter. But still no reason to substitute "Pitt accomplishment" for still impressive if slightly less respectable "capitalizing on opportunities given them".

Better than us, I guess the score & Cup shows that to be true, but can't say as having watched the whole series that is the story of the games. We didn't do our jobs, I admit that and can't say we earned the win, but also can't say as we entirely blew it when there are so many calls. We just didn't overcome all the bad luck and create our own "luck" like we are capable of and should have done.

Good season Wings, recharge and don't leave so much up to luck this year.

Anyone notice that Bettman was beaming handing the Cup to Crosby this year, yet a bit uncomfortable and hesitant handing it to Lidstrom last year?


I was wondering if I was the only one that noticed that. He is nothing but a piece of s***!!


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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:51 AM

QUOTE (psmitty @ June 13, 2009 - 07:47AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, lots of losers whining on this thread, "but but but, it was the refs fault" sob sob sob,,,, shake your heads. You guys got the breaks in games 1 and 2, if not then the series could have been a sweep for the Pens. The only game the wings were truly the better team was game 5. The wings D could not handle the Pens fore check and as a result spent long periods of time chasing the Pens in their own zone which not only created scoring chances for the Pens, but also wore down the wings, that was the difference. That and the fact that the Pens have more depth.

Disagree with most of your points here (except lots of whiners). The Wings were clearly the STRONGER team in Games 1 and 2, with far more pressure on the Penguins and more time in their zone. In those two games the Penguins looked like the gassed ones. And when a team is on top of their game, even if they get outshot, or outshoot their opponents, the breaks will come their way. That's exactly what happened in Games 1-4, Games 6, and Games 7. The Penguins earned their wins, and the Wings gave it their all, just being too tired in the end and it cost them.

Anyways, the series could have easily went to the Wings had a few bounces went differently, so there's no reason not to be proud of this team making it as far as they did.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:53 AM

Another thread full of crybaby Wingtards. What a surprise.

Just be glad that your favorite team doesn't suck as bad as you do.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:56 AM

Congratulations to Pittsburg, they did earn it.

The Wings had 4 games at home so to blame the refs is ludicrous.

Crosby and Malkin had great seasons.

The Wings need to make changes, ie get rid of Chelios once and for all, and prepare for the threat of anaheim and san jose and of course the Pens.



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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:08 AM

QUOTE (Mister Puck @ June 13, 2009 - 07:53AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Another thread full of crybaby Wingtards. What a surprise.

Just be glad that your favorite team doesn't suck as bad as you do.

Guess you're not going to "the Burgh" after all. Go figure. laugh.gif

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:10 AM

Anyone denying this was a Cup win manufactured by Bettman needs to take 50 steps backward and view the big picture. They were always given the first call that broke the other teams momentum. All through the season. They were never called for anything the refs could let go that wasn't black and white while we weren't, ever. Orpik and Gill were so bad the refs knew they'd be calling s*** every 6 minutes. Linesmen making 90 feet away calls refs let go? Hook on Filppula that potentially takes away a goal? No call? The perpetual hooking, holding and grabbing in front of the net. The monster f***in maulings of our Holmstrom by Gill/Orpik. Must be bliss to be able to deny all this. This is what decides hockey. I've coached at levels from 9 years old to 17. You see it all. Reffing included. It's the little things that determine games. That build momentum. Strong pushes. And when you can't play your brand of hockey because at one end of the ice you're being illegally held up and kept from retrieving your dump in, it's a recipe for failure. When your crease crashers get crosschecked dozens of times away from the puck and play, you're not ever going to get anything going. Do you think if we were playing Carolina theyd be getting help like this? f*** that. Eastern conf team fans have been preaching all year and been told they're all nuts.

But I see it now.

Anyone trying to remain professional, why? You're a fan-not a pro hockey player. You're allowed to call it how it is. The league and pens fans know they, in the face of obvious truth, have two things on their side.

1-home fans who ridicule people who (legitimately) bash reffing for no other reason than thinking they must look upstanding, and...
2-the ability to just point at anyone who points out obvious favortism and call them "fans who don't like any calls against their boys" or the tired cop out "zomg conspiracy theorists!"

Fact is, I can admit when we lost because we deserved to. 03 wegot outworked. 04 we were too lazy. 06 we sat around too much and didn't backcheck.

But this year? Officiating f***ed us. Plain and simple. Bettman AND Pitt ***** after game 2? How convenient. Afterthat we got called for chincy s*** that constantly killed momentum and Pitt got away with anything that didn't. If you've got a gut and an eye for this s***, it's all as plain a day.

In black and white.

Edited by numberthirtynine, 13 June 2009 - 10:23 AM.


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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:16 AM

QUOTE (djt813 @ June 13, 2009 - 01:27AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone notice that Bettman was beaming handing the Cup to Crosby this year, yet a bit uncomfortable and hesitant handing it to Lidstrom last year?

Not really.








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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:20 AM

QUOTE (numberthirtynine @ June 13, 2009 - 08:10AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone denying this was a Cup win manufactured by Bettman needs to take 50 steps backward and view the big picture. They were always given the first call that broke the other teams momentum. All through the season. They were never called for anything the refs could let go that wasn't black and white while we weren't, ever. Orpik and Gill were so bad the refs knew they'd be calling s*** every 6 minutes.

Anyone trying to remain professional, why? You're a fan-not a pro hockey player. You're allowed to call it how it is. The league and pens fans know they, in the face of obvious truth, have two things on their side.

1-home fans who ridicule people who (legitimately) bash reffing for no other reason than thinking they must look upstanding, and...
2-the ability to just point at anyone who points out obvious favortism and call them "fans who don't like any calls against their boys" or the tired cop out "zomg conspiracy theorists!"

Fact is, I can admit when we lost because we deserved to. 03 wegot outworked. 04 we were too lazy. 06 we sat around too much and didn't backcheck.

But this year? Officiating f***ed us. Plain and simple. Bettman AND Pitt ***** after game 2? How convenient. Afterthat we got called for chincy s*** that constantly killed momentum and Pitt got away with anything that didn't. If you've got a gut and an eye for this s***, it's all as plain a day.

In black and white.

And you wonder why you're called a conspiracy theorist? Because of stupidity like this.

In all but one game the Wings were called first for a penalty. That one game the Penguins got called first? The Penguins still won that game 4-2. So much for the theory of it breaking momentum. Nextly, bashing the refereeing and making the claim that the Penguins win is manufactured are two different issues entirely. Most people bash the refs because they suck. However, most people are also smart enough to understand that there's NO evidence at all of the refs or league favoring the Penguins. None. Did you bother watching the losses the Wings had or are you too busy having a good ol' **** to that conspiracy of yours, or as you call it, the "big picture"? From start to finish in Games 3, 4, 6, and 7, the Wings looked tired. Tired teams take stupid penalties or make mental errors. If you watched these games, you'd see defensemen making critical turnovers, including Lidstrom, and taking bad penalties as tired teams do. Games 1 and 2 and 5 the Wings were on their game and were getting the breaks as a result.

It's funny to me how nutjobs believe this HAS to be a conspiracy the fact that the Penguins won, and not because they were the better team.

Edited by Shoreline, 13 June 2009 - 10:21 AM.






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