Salary comparison for Hudler

[hockey23 79]

Last year Martin Erat had 23g 34a 57p. Hudler had 23g 34a 57p this year. Erat signed last year when he was 26 for $4.5mil/yr. Hudler is currently 25. Wouldn't this mean Hudler would also get around $4.5mil/yr or was Erat's contract rediculously high. Judging by this, I don't see how the Wings could sign him for around $2 mil.

[Lidstrom for life 20]

Keep your facts to yourself! I prefer to keep up the unrealistic hope that Hudler resigns for 1.5 mil

[EuroTwin 240]

Keep your facts to yourself! I prefer to keep up the unrealistic hope that Hudler resigns for 1.5 mil

I second this unrealistic hope!

[jjd06e 10]

Last year Martin Erat had 23g 34a 57p. Hudler had 23g 34a 57p this year. Erat signed last year when he was 26 for $4.5mil/yr. Hudler is currently 25. Wouldn't this mean Hudler would also get around $4.5mil/yr or was Erat's contract rediculously high. Judging by this, I don't see how the Wings could sign him for around $2 mil.

1. Hudler benefited from playing in a system that increased his points beyond what he probably could get on most teams. Erat, was doing it with less a supporting cast.

2. Erat had years similar to that one in the past, this was far and away Hudler's best season.

3. Last year market was different than this one, just look at was Hossa was getting offered, 8 mil a year for a ton of years and this year most were offering 5-6 a year. I also dont see any Campbell type rediculous contracts this offseason. There also seems to be more offensive choices this offseason.

I bet Hudler is going to be closer to 2.5 mil a year then the 4.5 you suggest. And if someone does offer him that much, I say good for him and let him walk because he deserves nowhere near that much.

Edited July 3, 2009 by jjd06e

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1. Hudler benefited from playing in a system that increased his points beyond what he probably could get on most teams. Erat, was doing it with less a supporting cast.

Very true.

2. Erat had years similar to that one in the past, this was far and away Hudler's best season.

Hudler's only 25. It would be more fair to say this is Hudler's best seaston THUS FAR.

3. Last year market was different than this one, just look at was Hossa was getting offered, 8 mil a year for a ton of years and this year most were offering 5-6 a year. I also dont see any Campbell type rediculous contracts this offseason. There also seems to be more offensive choices this offseason.

There were a TON of stupid contracts last year. I'm glad most GM's wised up a least a little.

I bet Hudler is going to be closer to 2.5 mil a year then the 4.5 you suggest. And if someone does offer him that much, I saw good for him and let him walk because he deserves nowhere near that much.

I agree that Huds is worth around 2.5 million/per. At this point, everyone should be prepared for draft pick compensation for Hudler, because he will be leaving. It's going to be hard to swallow with the 65+ goals we've already lost due to Hossa, Kopy and Sammy bailing.

[Hank Dats 'N Homer 81]

Last year Martin Erat had 23g 34a 57p. Hudler had 23g 34a 57p this year. Erat signed last year when he was 26 for $4.5mil/yr. Hudler is currently 25. Wouldn't this mean Hudler would also get around $4.5mil/yr or was Erat's contract rediculously high. Judging by this, I don't see how the Wings could sign him for around $2 mil.

I think that comparison is a little skewed. I think for those stats you would HAVE to pay 4.5 a year to keep a guy in NASHVILLE who doesnt have a very good future. But If you want to play for Detroit who has made the playoffs for like 20 years straight, 2.5 million a year for those stats os VERY reasonable. I just think that if you want to play for a cup contender every year you have to be willing to understand you are going to get paid less than what you would get paid by a team that isnt always in competition for the cup. I know its all about the money these days, but i would take playing for a cup contender every year over an extra 2 million any day...but apparently not everyone is like me *cough HOSSA cough*, so who knows where Hudlers future lies.

[Hank Dats 'N Homer 81]

I agree that Huds is worth around 2.5 million/per. At this point, everyone should be prepared for draft pick compensation for Hudler, because he will be leaving. It's going to be hard to swallow with the 65+ goals we've already lost due to Hossa, Kopy and Sammy bailing.

I wouldnt be so sure hes going anywhere yet....i think he will see the light and the fact that 2.5 is a good price for a team that will be in contention every year. But if not, draft picks wont look to bad....although knowing Holland he will trade the draft picks for a 5th or 6th round pick since he loves to draft late in the draft haha

[numberthirtynine 0]

It's f***in funny how many people here can shift their stance on Hudler on a dime.

On one hand, he's an amazing talent, who scored 57 points with zomg no minutes! and no help!!!!

Then when it's time to value him, we say he's worth 2 mil? I swear at LGW we need an intervention to get us to stop undervaluing players. I laugh when I see peoples straight faced figures for some players. If Huddles is what we say he is, in that he can score with no minutes or good linemates and is in line to be a top 6 forward who can put up 75 points...

...then he's not worth 2 mil. He's worth 3 and may get more from the arbitrator. Wake up.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

How can a guy score 57 points without ever stepping on the ice?

From all these stats people post about him, Hudler may be the best player EVER!!!

[numberthirtynine 0]

How can a guy score 57 points without ever stepping on the ice?

From all these stats people post about him, Hudler may be the best player EVER!!!

Dude. Don't question it.

[BlakKy 58]

The arbitrator will probably value him around 3 million. Expect to see Hudler getting a contract similar to Flip's... in another city. =(

When negotiation and arbitration comes up the judge and his agent will be citing Val's contract and probably Erat's contract as precedent.

[Hank Dats 'N Homer 81]

It's f***in funny how many people here can shift their stance on Hudler on a dime.

On one hand, he's an amazing talent, who scored 57 points with zomg no minutes! and no help!!!!

Then when it's time to value him, we say he's worth 2 mil? I swear at LGW we need an intervention to get us to stop undervaluing players. I laugh when I see peoples straight faced figures for some players. If Huddles is what we say he is, in that he can score with no minutes or good linemates and is in line to be a top 6 forward who can put up 75 points...

...then he's not worth 2 mil. He's worth 3 and may get more from the arbitrator. Wake up.

I dont think anyone is saying hes not worth 3 million here. Id say hes worth atleast that. Its jsut with out cap space, and the fact that we are the red wings and consistently in contention for the cup, if he wants to stay here hes going to have to take a little less moeny than what a non contender would offer. The guy puts points on the board, no doubt. We all think he is under valued, i guess its just high hopes on our part that he takes the discount. We cant see value in giving him 4 million when we gave Franzen 5 and were offering Hossa 5. Hudler is good, but hes not in that caliber. I think 3 million is pretty reasonable and works for both sides. Hudler gets to stay in Detroit and Detroit keeps a potential 30 goal scorer.

[numberthirtynine 0]

I dont think anyone is saying hes not worth 3 million here.

That's all I ever see. Hell I see it in this very topic.

[Z Winged Dangler 2,082]

It's f***in funny how many people here can shift their stance on Hudler on a dime.

On one hand, he's an amazing talent, who scored 57 points with zomg no minutes! and no help!!!!

Then when it's time to value him, we say he's worth 2 mil? I swear at LGW we need an intervention to get us to stop undervaluing players. I laugh when I see peoples straight faced figures for some players. If Huddles is what we say he is, in that he can score with no minutes or good linemates and is in line to be a top 6 forward who can put up 75 points...

...then he's not worth 2 mil. He's worth 3 and may get more from the arbitrator. Wake up.

settle down a bit dude. the main problem these days with free agency and arbitration is that it's the same as before the salary cap came in. salaries were lower for a little while, not even a full season. detroit is one of the only teams in the league that doesn't say "erat got paid this much, so we're gonna pay you this much" they value what you're worth against the CAP, not what other teams pay their players, and what kind of outrageous offer sheets the kevin lowe type are gonna blindly throw your way.

for you to say that the LGWers are undervaluing huds, who is in fact an undersized, one dimensional player, that isn't heavily relied upon and didn't play that good in the playoffs, which got his ass demoted to the 4th line.....in light of that, you wanna tell me he's worth over 2.5 mil that kenny holland (who of all people will tell us what huds is worth), you're out of your mind.

too many guys in the cap world are getting overpaid! that's why teams that make the "big splash" 1st of july signing end up with significant holes in their roster and end up as busts.

wait and watch what happens to the hawks next summer and you'll understand what kenny is doing. this is why he's been the gm for so long while other gm's fight for their job on an annual basis.

[Superman54 91]

Its funny how people against Hudler try to talk down on him, when his "stats" speak for themselves. He had a great season, and at age of 25 it seems like he will only get better. Detroit is a skilled team, not a physical team and replacing Huds with a goon like player makes no sense for Detroit.

[Hank Dats 'N Homer 81]

That's all I ever see. Hell I see it in this very topic.

In that case you have no idea how to read....

I reccomend reading again. People on here are sarcastically saying "dont mention his stats or compare them to a guy that is making 4.5" not because they dont think hes worth 4.5 but because they dont want to pay him 4.5 because it leaves us with no cap space. Hell the orignal poster said that he doesnt see a way to sign him for 2.0, so that in itself shows that Hudler has much greater value. I dont know where you are getting the fact that noone apprecaites or is unrealistic about how much he is worth.

MAN, Some people just feel like bitching just to here themselves *****!

Edited July 3, 2009 by Hank Dats 'N Homer

[Hank Dats 'N Homer 81]

Its funny how people against Hudler try to talk down on him, when his "stats" speak for themselves. He had a great season, and at age of 25 it seems like he will only get better. Detroit is a skilled team, not a physical team and replacing Huds with a goon like player makes no sense for Detroit.

You CANNOT replace Hudler with a goon. If you dont resign Hudler you MUST replace him with a 20-30 goal scorer. We already lost a 40 goal scorer in hossa and a 20 goal scorer in Sammy. Losing a 20-30 goal scorer in Hudler and replacing him with a goon that doesnt score would be suicidal....We NEED to resign Hudler or a guy that scores like him or else we are in trouble. I think we need to sign Hudler and a cheap Gritty guy, but thats just me. I would hope that Hudler will see that we dont have cap sapce and chose to sign for 2.5-3.0 to give us some room to sign a Drake replacement.

[numberthirtynine 0]

In that case you have no idea how to read....

Must be what they wrote on my degree. Probably just that I'm not able to read it, right?

People here suggested he's worth 2-2.5 mil. Go look up any other Hudler topic and see for yourself. To say that we all universally hold him to a value of 3 million dollars is so stupid it's an insult to my intelligence.

for you to say that the LGWers are undervaluing huds, who is in fact an undersized, one dimensional player, that isn't heavily relied upon and didn't play that good in the playoffs, which got his ass demoted to the 4th line.....in light of that, you wanna tell me he's worth over 2.5 mil that kenny holland (who of all people will tell us what huds is worth), you're out of your mind.

The problem with this statement is that you're projecting your value of him as the value everyone has for him. Not everyone sees him in that light, and an arbitrator likely will not either.

He's undersized but undersized players have been stars.

He's not relied upon only because we're Detroit and we don't need to.

He didn't play that well in the playoffs but I've seen guys awarded decent value in spite of one off postseason.

Others here see him as a diamond in the rough who just needs more minutes. Who has more natural talent than guys like Hossa or Mule. Who is a clutch scorer who needs to be on a PP unit.

I criticized the collective and I don't expect anything but typical forum responses arguing with it but the fact remains we praise him and then undervalue him. 57 points with no decent linemates, no top unit PP spot and barely any good minutes, in the eyes of an arbitrator and many others, will get him 3 mil or maybe more short of some sort of miracle. Not to mention his age and experience. He's a cup winner who has played for what can reasonably be referred to as a dynasty. It's not as if he's some schmuck who just fluked out in Florida because of having a superstar linemate.

Edited July 3, 2009 by numberthirtynine

[elriqo28 2]

How can a guy score 57 points without ever stepping on the ice?

From all these stats people post about him, Hudler may be the best player EVER!!!

best post ever. Not many that actually make me laugh out loud to myself, but this did.

[Selke13 0]

I second this unrealistic hope!

[soonboomer 31]

I think that comparison is a little skewed. I think for those stats you would HAVE to pay 4.5 a year to keep a guy in NASHVILLE who doesnt have a very good future. But If you want to play for Detroit who has made the playoffs for like 20 years straight, 2.5 million a year for those stats os VERY reasonable. I just think that if you want to play for a cup contender every year you have to be willing to understand you are going to get paid less than what you would get paid by a team that isnt always in competition for the cup. I know its all about the money these days, but i would take playing for a cup contender every year over an extra 2 million any day...but apparently not everyone is like me *cough HOSSA cough*, so who knows where Hudlers future lies.

How typically easy to say. I wonder if you would actually make the same choice if actually presented with the opportunity.

[Hank Dats 'N Homer 81]

Must be what they wrote on my degree. Probably just that I'm not able to read it, right?

People here suggested he's worth 2-2.5 mil. Go look up any other Hudler topic and see for yourself. To say that we all universally hold him to a value of 3 million dollars is so stupid it's an insult to my intelligence.

The problem with this statement is that you're projecting your value of him as the value everyone has for him. Not everyone sees him in that light, and an arbitrator likely will not either.

He's undersized but undersized players have been stars.

He's not relied upon only because we're Detroit and we don't need to.

He didn't play that well in the playoffs but I've seen guys awarded decent value in spite of one off postseason.

Others here see him as a diamond in the rough who just needs more minutes. Who has more natural talent than guys like Hossa or Mule. Who is a clutch scorer who needs to be on a PP unit.

I criticized the collective and I don't expect anything but typical forum responses arguing with it but the fact remains we praise him and then undervalue him. 57 points with no decent linemates, no top unit PP spot and barely any good minutes, in the eyes of an arbitrator and many others, will get him 3 mil or maybe more short of some sort of miracle. Not to mention his age and experience. He's a cup winner who has played for what can reasonably be referred to as a dynasty. It's not as if he's some schmuck who just fluked out in Florida because of having a superstar linemate.

thats one quote in this whole topic. Listen, im agreeing with you on the fact that hes not worth 2-2.5 million. on the open market he is probably worht about 3-3.5. I, myself just dont see a purpose in giving him 4.5 million for a guy who hasnt learned to play defense and does get pushed around a bit. I love the guy and i dont think in anyway that the wings will sign himfor under 3 million at this point. Im jsut saying that hes not worth 4.5 million or even 4 million in a wings jersey. In a Kings jersey or a nashville jersey, he is probably worth that amount, but like ive said in previous posts, regardless if you liek it or not, the wings are a contender every year and you have to factor that into contract negotations and if you want to play for a contending team, you have to be willing to take less than what you think you would get on the open market.

Im sorry if i came off rude before, its not what i was trying to do. I just think that Hudler needs to realize that hes not going to get paid top dollar to play on the wings. Hell even a guy like Datsyuk and Zetterberg didnt get paid top dollar, but thy understood what it meant to play for a winning team.

Look at lidstroms salary. The best Dman in the world would be making alot more elsewhere if you ask me.

I agree with you on the fact that LGWers underrate Hudler when the season is in progress and UNDERrate him when its time to sign a contract, but i just dont think anyone here is realistically thinking he is ganna stick around for under 3 million, which is why hes going to arbitration after being offereed 2.5.

Sorry for the confusion and rudeness if there was any. Its not what i was intending.

[numberthirtynine 0]

How typically easy to say. I wonder if you would actually make the same choice if actually presented with the opportunity.

I always wonder that. Like I said before the diff between 1 and 3 million is huge compared to the diff between 10 and 13 million, or 30 and 33 million. It's security and a future for your family.

Alot of people on fan msg boards preach taking less to play for a winner but I also would love to see how many here have the grapefruits to turn down a truckload of 3 million dollars.

[numberthirtynine 0]

thats one quote in this whole topic. Listen, im agreeing with you on the fact that hes not worth 2-2.5 million. on the open market he is probably worht about 3-3.5. I, myself just dont see a purpose in giving him 4.5 million for a guy who hasnt learned to play defense and does get pushed around a bit.

K. Neither do I. Never said that. I'm not here to fight.

Datsyuk and Hank didn't get paid top dollar but man, they're still getting a total of around 13 mil between the two of them. That's a huge diff compared to 3 mil. I can't blame him totally if he takes his payday.

[Glubki 17]

You CANNOT replace Hudler with a goon. If you dont resign Hudler you MUST replace him with a 20-30 goal scorer. We already lost a 40 goal scorer in hossa and a 20 goal scorer in Sammy. Losing a 20-30 goal scorer in Hudler and replacing him with a goon that doesnt score would be suicidal....We NEED to resign Hudler or a guy that scores like him or else we are in trouble. I think we need to sign Hudler and a cheap Gritty guy, but thats just me. I would hope that Hudler will see that we dont have cap sapce and chose to sign for 2.5-3.0 to give us some room to sign a Drake replacement.

If they pay Hudler any more than 2.5 Million than their options really decrease. At 2.5M they can pay Leino 1M and still afford a league minimum winger if the traded Lebda. If his salary jumps to 3M than Lilja is the only D-man that can be moved to accommodate a minimum salary player.

What 20 goal/50 point man is left to sign here for 2.5M?