Jason Williams Offered 1 Year Contract

[ShanahanMan 473]

[Guest micah]

Thank you Kenny for making this offseason come full circle. Maybe now we can sign Claude Lemieux as our enforcer.

If Lilja stays hurt and A and E don't break into the regular lineup, Claude Lemieux would be both a better and a more willing fighter than any Red Wing. That's how tough the Wings are.

Titanium: I have no problems with men who know their limits and act accordingly. If JWil can't fight, fine. JWil doesn't talk s*** or posture all tough. He's quiet and skates away with his tail between his legs like he should. Just not being a toughguy isn't enough to make you worthy of scorn in my book, but talking s*** and refusing to back it up is.

...and yes, I know some will say "but, but, but, you can get players off their game, you can sucker people into stupid penalties!" I don't care. I want the wings to win, but unlike some here, I care how they win. Do it right, boys. It isn't okay to talk stupid and then hide like a coward on the playground, it isn't okay in a bar , it isn't okay in rec hockey and it isn't okay in the NHL. Besides, it doesn't really work. How many games have the Wings won specifically because Maltby goaded someone into taking a stupid penalty? Not f'n many.

[egroen 384]

If Lilja stays hurt and A and E don't break into the regular lineup, Claude Lemieux would be both a better and a more willing fighter than any Red Wing. That's how tough the Wings are.

Titanium: I have no problems with men who know their limits and act accordingly. If JWil can't fight, fine. JWil doesn't talk s*** or posture all tough. He's quiet and skates away with his tail between his legs like he should. Just not being a toughguy isn't enough to make you worthy of scorn in my book, but talking s*** and refusing to back it up is.

...and yes, I know some will say "but, but, but, you can get players off their game, you can sucker people into stupid penalties!" I don't care. I want the wings to win, but unlike some here, I care how they win. Do it right, boys. It isn't okay to talk stupid and then hide like a coward on the playground, it isn't okay in a bar , it isn't okay in rec hockey and it isn't okay in the NHL. Besides, it doesn't really work. How many games have the Wings won specifically because Maltby goaded someone into taking a stupid penalty? Not f'n many.

So because I have ridiculed you here a few times I should be willing to meet you at the flag pole?

[Aussie_Wing 354]

I'm in the 'for Williams' camp.

People need to wake up and realise that there's virtually no one left. If we could sign someone who once scored close to 60 points with this very team only a few years ago then we've done well. Williams is a frustrating player no doubt but assuming he'll come cheap it's a good thing, we've lost a lot of offence so we need someone who is capable of putting up the points as he is. Very streaky player who will be a good, cheap addition to the third line.

[Guest micah]

So because I have ridiculed you here a few times I should be willing to meet you at the flag pole?

I'd never hit a girl.

And yes, kinda. I think that if you're going to "ridicle" anyone you ought expect a fight.

I'm striving to raise my children to be the sort of people who will consider their words. People who know how to persuade others to their point of view and can do so when they choose to - and also to be people who understand that their actions have consequences. You better believe that I will not be the sort of parent who calls the teacher if my son gets a fat lip because he teases the wrong kid. If you "ridicule", you are inviting a fight. If you shove your palm into another man's face (ala Maltby) you are inviting a fight. Those actions ought to be considered "instigating".

I have very little sympathy for people who poke bears with sticks and then get mauled.

[VM1138 1,921]

I'm in the 'for Williams' camp.

People need to wake up and realise that there's virtually no one left. If we could sign someone who once scored close to 60 points with this very team only a few years ago then we've done well. Williams is a frustrating player no doubt but assuming he'll come cheap it's a good thing, we've lost a lot of offence so we need someone who is capable of putting up the points as he is. Very streaky player who will be a good, cheap addition to the third line.

I guess as a third liner he would be alright, but you don't sign someone just because they're all that's left. I'd almost rather just go into training camp and hope for a couple hard working, talented guys than sign Williams.

Plus there's still Grier and Prospal left. I might be able to live with Williams only if we sign someone else, too, namely Grier.

I don't see Williams as giving us anything BUT offense, and we really need someone with more than one talent.

[egroen 384]

I'd never hit a girl.

And yes, kinda. I think that if you're going to "ridicle" anyone you ought expect a fight.

I'm striving to raise my children to be the sort of people who will consider their words. People who know how to persuade others to their point of view and can do so when they choose to - and also to be people who understand that their actions have consequences. You better believe that I will not be the sort of parent who calls the teacher if my son gets a fat lip because he teases the wrong kid. If you "ridicule", you are inviting a fight. If you shove your palm into another man's face (ala Maltby) you are inviting a fight. Those actions ought to be considered "instigating".

I have very little sympathy for people who poke bears with sticks and then get mauled.

Well, you've said some awfully disparaging things to plenty of others on this site, so I hope you are prepared to end up in the hospital and on disability for an extended period because you are willing to physically take on the countless people (as well as NHL players) you have ridiculed here. Somehow I have a feeling that is not true and simply another regurgitated turd spewed from your mouth.

If it makes me less of a "man" because I feel a responsibility to be there for my family and not in the hospital, jail or worse... well, I guess I'll learn to live with it, as well as the chance some mongoloid can't handle an insult.

I'm sure I would have an easy time getting off assualt charges with... "But he called me a girl!".

[Guest micah]

Well, you've said some awfully disparaging things to plenty of others on this site, so I hope you are prepared to end up in the hospital and on disability for an extended period because you are willing to physically take on the countless people

If I have disparaged anyone on this forum, I appologise. I am better than that. If you don't accept my appology and think I owe you a fight, PM me. I'll give you directions.

(as well as NHL players)

Public figures are fair game for satire and ridicule, always have been.

If it makes me less of a "man" because I feel a responsibility to be there for my family and not in the hospital, jail or worse...

You seem to be confusing two different things for some reason. I do not state that not wanting to be in a hospital or jail and wanting to be there for one's family make one less of a man - I stated that talking s*** but refusing to back it up makes one less of a man. I don't suspect many people long for jail or the hospital, nothing wrong with that. Most people also pretty much keep their mouths shut, both irl and on the internet.

I'm sure I would have an easy time getting off assualt charges with... "But he called me a girl!".

I never said one has a duty to fight if provoked - I said that one has a duty to fight if they're doing the provoking. Keep up.

[egroen 384]

If I have disparaged anyone on this forum, I appologise. I am better than that. If you don't accept my appology and think I owe you a fight, PM me. I'll give you directions.

Just like the majority of civilized human beings, I do not feel insults necessitate or in any way deserve physical violence.

Public figures are fair game for satire and ridicule, always have been.

But you would still feel obligated to fight Franzen, Lidstrom, Maltby, Chelios, Homstrom, Datsyuk, etc. etc. etc. if they showed up at your door step over insults you have thrown their way, right?

You seem to be confusing two different things for some reason. I do not state that not wanting to be in a hospital or jail and wanting to be there for one's family make one less of a man - I stated that talking s*** but refusing to back it up makes one less of a man. I don't suspect many people long for jail or the hospital, nothing wrong with that. Most people also pretty much keep their mouths shut, both irl and on the internet.

People keep their mouths shut on the internet?

Especially as an adult, entering into a fight carries a very high risk of ending up in the hospital, jail or worse.

I am a s*** talker to the bone and will rib anyone I am competing with, whether over playing sports, watching sports or playing cards or Taboo. Good lord, it can be fun in friendly competition, and it happens constantly in non-friendly competition. I frankly think you are a ***** and a poor competitor if you can't handle it.

I never said one has a duty to fight if provoked - I said that one has a duty to fight if they're doing the provoking. Keep up.

And this isn't the Wild West - if you want to assualt me for insulting you, I'll just laugh and call the cops. I feel absolutely no obligation to physically fight someone I insult.

[BeeRYCE 2]

There was a period in time where I liked Williams on the team... He was a good playmaker, but the last time he was with us... I couldn't stand him at all. Let's face it, by the end of that season, I was happy we got rid of Lang, Bert, Schneider, and Williams.

[Frozen-Man 144]

Public figures are fair game for satire and ridicule, always have been.

Wait . . . all the guys you constantly trash on the Wings for talking crap are talking it to other public figures so according to you that shouldn't have to back up what they say right. I mean you just told Egroen that it is ok for you to be hypocritical because public figures are fair game (apparently your moral compass allows actions to be ok depending upon who you are trashing) so those public figures ought to be fair game for guys like Mule and Maltby too, right? Or in another crazy twist of logic is it only ok to ridicule and trash public figures if you yourself are not a public figure?

[Guest micah]

Wait . . . all the guys you constantly trash on the Wings for talking crap are talking it to other public figures so according to you that shouldn't have to back up what they say right. I mean you just told Egroen that it is ok for you to be hypocritical because public figures are fair game (apparently your moral compass allows actions to be ok depending upon who you are trashing) so those public figures ought to be fair game for guys like Mule and Maltby too, right? Or in another crazy twist of logic is it only ok to ridicule and trash public figures if you yourself are not a public figure?

You can juggle it in whatever way helps you sleep at night. I maintain that if you're going to trash-talk another person, and especially if you stick your sweaty, gloved palm into another man's face, you should oblige the fellow you've assaulted with a fight upon request.

Of course, I'd prefer not to see the guys I pull for engaging in such behavior at all.

[10 Minute Misconduct 104]

Since June 12th i've been living in a bad dream :'(

[Doggy 130]

Jason williams for league minimum and spare forward, that i could live with, nothing more than that.

You don't know who Jason Williams is though so what are you basing this on? Other people's opposition to the signing?

[Doc Holiday 0]

Hooray Micah is here.

Prepare to see the page count double!

[Frozen-Man 144]

Hooray Micah is here.

Prepare to see the page count double!

[Frozen-Man 144]

You can juggle it in whatever way helps you sleep at night. I maintain that if you're going to trash-talk another person, and especially if you stick your sweaty, gloved palm into another man's face, you should oblige the fellow you've assaulted with a fight upon request.

Of course, I'd prefer not to see the guys I pull for engaging in such behavior at all.

Funny, you say that I can "juggle it" when you're the one saying you shouldn't talk trash without backing it up but then when called out for talking trash you say oh they are public figures so disregard what I said before because then its ok but just for me not for Maltby or Mule I can do it but they can't. Yeah I'm the one juggling.

[RedFX 48]

I'd never hit a girl.

And yes, kinda. I think that if you're going to "ridicle" anyone you ought expect a fight.

I'm striving to raise my children to be the sort of people who will consider their words. People who know how to persuade others to their point of view and can do so when they choose to - and also to be people who understand that their actions have consequences. You better believe that I will not be the sort of parent who calls the teacher if my son gets a fat lip because he teases the wrong kid. If you "ridicule", you are inviting a fight. If you shove your palm into another man's face (ala Maltby) you are inviting a fight. Those actions ought to be considered "instigating".

I have very little sympathy for people who poke bears with sticks and then get mauled.

You may want to go outside of the family to teach them then....

[uk_redwing 495]

Whos Jason Williams?

[Guest Shoreline]

I'd never hit a girl.

And yes, kinda. I think that if you're going to "ridicle" anyone you ought expect a fight.

I'm striving to raise my children to be the sort of people who will consider their words. People who know how to persuade others to their point of view and can do so when they choose to - and also to be people who understand that their actions have consequences. You better believe that I will not be the sort of parent who calls the teacher if my son gets a fat lip because he teases the wrong kid. If you "ridicule", you are inviting a fight. If you shove your palm into another man's face (ala Maltby) you are inviting a fight. Those actions ought to be considered "instigating".

I have very little sympathy for people who poke bears with sticks and then get mauled.

Holmstrom sticks his ass in front of the goalie's face, takes punishment, then gets into scrums. By your logic, he needs to fight too because it annoys the opposing team. I can't begin to suggest how utterly stupid your rationale behind this is, any more than the stupidity behind your logic that a person who ridicules another should fight. But I guess everyone is a tough guy and an expert when they're on the internet, aren't they. Every "tough guy" I come across always has something to prove -- why is that? Real tough guys don't need to stick their chest out, especially on the internet. You can stop pretending now, as no one is impressed.

Edited August 4, 2009 by Shoreline

[Doggy 130]

Whos Jason Williams?

Who's THAT!?!

[uk_redwing 495]

Who's THAT!?!

Is it not Jason Williams? Oh....errr....is this Jason Williams?

[newfy 695]

Holmstrom sticks his ass in front of the goalie's face, takes punishment, then gets into scrums. By your logic, he needs to fight too because it annoys the opposing team. I can't begin to suggest how utterly stupid your rationale behind this is, any more than the stupidity behind your logic that a person who ridicules another should fight. But I guess everyone is a tough guy and an expert when they're on the internet, aren't they. Every "tough guy" I come across always has something to prove -- why is that? Real tough guys don't need to stick their chest out, especially on the internet. You can stop pretending now, as no one is impressed.

The difference between Malts and Homer is that Homer plays within the rules infront of the net and other defenceman try to stop him from doing so by intimidation. Maltby facewashes people, yaps and then acts like a coward. Homer takes his punishment and gets what any team should give him, its hockey. Maltby on the other hand really deserves a good pounding for his antics

[96warrior 11]

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/20..._free.html#more

DETROIT -- Now that the Jiri Hudler arbitration case has been settled, the Detroit Red Wings can focus entirely on finding his replacement.

General manager Ken Holland plans to continue talks with free agents this week. Former Red Wing Jason Williams remains in the mix, and has a one-year offer on the table from the club, but he currently is looking for a better deal, either in the NHL or KHL.

[Guest micah]

Holmstrom sticks his ass in front of the goalie's face, takes punishment, then gets into scrums. By your logic, he needs to fight too because it annoys the opposing team. I can't begin to suggest how utterly stupid your rationale behind this is, any more than the stupidity behind your logic that a person who ridicules another should fight. But I guess everyone is a tough guy and an expert when they're on the internet, aren't they. Every "tough guy" I come across always has something to prove -- why is that? Real tough guys don't need to stick their chest out, especially on the internet. You can stop pretending now, as no one is impressed.

Explain if you will exactly what I've said that comes accross as building myself up to be some badass? I'm not and don't claim to be. I do think that when you throw your hand into another man's face after a whistle, you should expect to have to follow-up. That's not being a toughguy, it's just not being a coward.

And yes, plenty of real tough guys do stick their chests out and posture on and off the ice. Semenko made a carreer of intimidating others, as overtly as possible. I always thought he seemed pretty tough.