Leadzedder 4 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 2009-2010 Detroit Red Wings PLAYER BONUS CAP HIT FORWARDS Pavel Datsyuk — $6,700,000 Henrik Zetterberg — $6,083,333 Johan Franzen — $3,954,545 Valtteri Filppula — $3,000,000 Daniel Cleary — $2,800,000 Tomas Holmstrom — $2,250,000 Kris Draper — $1,583,333 * Mats Sundin — $1,500,000 * Jason Williams — $1,250,000 * Mike Grier — $1,000,000 Kirk Maltby — $883,333 Ville Leino — $800,000 Darren Helm — $599,444 DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom — $7,450,000 Brian Rafalski — $6,000,000 Brad Stuart — $3,750,000 Niklas Kronwall — $3,000,000 Jonathan Ericsson — $900,000 Brett Lebda — $650,000 Derek Meech — $483,333 GOALTENDERS Chris Osgood — $1,416,666 Jimmy Howard — $716,666 BUYOUTS NONE LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS NONE CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS ROSTER SIZE 22 SALARY CAP $56,800,000 PAYROLL $56,770,653 BONUSES $0 CAP SPACE $29,347 Assuming Lilja is done, is that doable? I don't think it's overly unrealistic. Mad tight to the cap but under. It would certainly answer the depth question. Worst case scenario is alter the numbers abit and build a bonus into Sundin's contract. Hate to frig with next year's cap but could grease him abit like that. Maybe a cup winning bonus. Holmstrom Datsyuk Zetterberg Sundin Filppula Franzen Leino Helm Cleary Williams Draper Grier Maltby Lidstrom Rafalski Kronwall Stuart Ericsson Lebda Meech Osgood Howard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Sundin is gonna play for $1.5 mill after making $10 last year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Toledo 233 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 That would be great if it were to happen, but I highly doubt the Wings would be able to sign Sundin for that amount, and even Grier, for that matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leadzedder 4 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Sundin is gonna play for $1.5 mill after making $10 last year? Glad I could amuse you. He made 10 last year did he? Are you sure? I wonder how many teams kept aside 4-5 million to sign Sundin? How much you figure he'll sign for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pockets 9 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 i dont see them signing J Wills to play on the 4th line grier taking a cut is more likely then Mats it really comes down to if the isles offered you a 1 yr deal at 2 mil or the wings offered 1 yr t 1 mil i could see grier taking that deal the longer these guys wait and dont get offers the lower their price will be unless the KHL has any interest in them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pockets 9 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Glad I could amuse you. He made 10 last year did he? Are you sure? I wonder how many teams kept aside 4-5 million to sign Sundin? How much you figure he'll sign for? he didnt make 10 mil per say but it was pro-rated so had he signed for the whole year it would have been 10 mil if i remember correctly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Whoa, dude.... this isn't NHL '09! Mats is gonna demand $3 - 3.5 million William is gonna demand $2.5 or go to the KHL Grier is going to get over $1.5 million s***, if Holland lived in your fantasy land; Hossa woulda signed for $4 million and Hudler for $2 million. Try again with legit contracts... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seraph 240 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 This would work with cheat codes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leadzedder 4 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) Whoa, dude.... this isn't NHL '09! Mats is gonna demand $3 - 3.5 million William is gonna demand $2.5 or go to the KHL Grier is going to get over $1.5 million s***, if Holland lived in your fantasy land; Hossa woulda signed for $4 million and Hudler for $2 million. Try again with legit contracts... You think Grier will get 1.5 plus? Cool, I honestly wasn't sure what it would take, thanks for the clarification Williams, demand 2.5? lol, yeah ok, then he's gone to the KHL. And Sundin. He may demand 3 - 3.5 to play in Atlanta but if he decides he wants to play for the wings, it won't be a decision based on financial gain. It's like a game of musical chairs... not all these guys will get market value. Regardless of my ridiculous amounts, at a minimum we can get 2 of these guys. And for the record, I had Hossa at 5.8 and Hudler at 2.9 Edited August 2, 2009 by Leadzedder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EZBAKETHAGANGSTA Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Whoa, dude.... this isn't NHL '09! Mats is gonna demand $3 - 3.5 million William is gonna demand $2.5 or go to the KHL Grier is going to get over $1.5 million s***, if Holland lived in your fantasy land; Hossa woulda signed for $4 million and Hudler for $2 million. Try again with legit contracts... So you are saying that Williams has the right to demand a half mill more then Hudler.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 You think Grier will get 1.5 plus? Cool, I honestly wasn't sure what it would take, thanks for the clarification Williams, demand 2.5? lol, yeah ok, then he's gone to the KHL. And Sundin. He may demand 3 - 3.5 to play in Atlanta but if he decides he wants to play for the wings, it won't be a decision based on financial gain. It's like a game of musical chairs... not all these guys will get market value. Regardless of my ridiculous amounts, at a minimum we can get 2 of these guys. And for the record, I had Hossa at 5.8 and Hudler at 2.9 Grier will not get 1.5 (probably no higher than a million), nor will Williams get 2.5. However, I think your estimation of what Sundin would take is grossly low. Wings or not, I don't think Sundin would go much lower than the 3-4 million range that Snazzy indicated, and I do think there are other teams who have enough interest and cap room to make a short-term offer in that range. If not, I think Sundin could head back to Sweden Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 I honestly would be fine without any of these three. one cant skate one cant score and one cant ever make up his mind! I want Zherdev. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Whoa, dude.... this isn't NHL '09! Speaking of which, congratulate me for I injured Pronger a couple days ago. He was still a duck. He definitely had it coming too because he injured Yzerman a couple games before that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 So Sundin will take 250k more than Williams? sorry won't happen. Could he take less money to come here? yes but not 1.5mil. keep dreaming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 So you are saying that Williams has the right to demand a half mill more then Hudler.... Not sure where you are getting your numbers / information, but Hudler is making $10 million for two years. Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4366548 Try and keep up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Guys, I think this could actually work. I have some adjustments though: Trade Filppula to the Capitals for Ovechkin, Green and their 1st round pick in next year's draft. This sounds like a deal both teams would benefit from imo. Trade Lebda and a 4th round pick to the Canucks for Luongo. They need a defenseman, we need a goalie. Both teams win! Hey, it worked in NHL09! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedFX 48 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Guys, I think this could actually work. I have some adjustments though: Trade Filppula to the Capitals for Ovechkin, Green and their 1st round pick in next year's draft. This sounds like a deal both teams would benefit from imo. Trade Lebda and a 4th round pick to the Canucks for Luongo. They need a defenseman, we need a goalie. Both teams win! Hey, it worked in NHL09! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Everyone knows Filpulla is going to Ottawa for Heatley, Neil, Ottawa's Lion Mascot, and a bagel. THEN you trade the bagel for Ovechkin and Green. It's common freaking sense. My God you're stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmubronco420 25 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Not sure where you are getting your numbers / information, but Hudler is making $10 million for two years. Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4366548 Try and keep up. i think he was referring to nhl money, not khl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Whoa, dude.... this isn't NHL '09! Mats is gonna demand $3 - 3.5 million William is gonna demand $2.5 or go to the KHL Grier is going to get over $1.5 million s***, if Holland lived in your fantasy land; Hossa woulda signed for $4 million and Hudler for $2 million. Try again with legit contracts... You are so far off with those numbers it's unbelievable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted August 2, 2009 You are so far off with those numbers it's unbelievable. He's right about one thing: the universe will not be rearranging itself in the name of the Red Wings. The numbers the OP quoted are, in my opinion, extremely unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Considering there is already threads on this very board reporting that the Wings have offered Williams $2.5 for one-year, the chances we sign him for half of that and get Sundin to take similar money AND sign Grier is just hilarious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snazzy 0 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 You are so far off with those numbers it's unbelievable. So far off, huh? William made $2.2. And there are reports that said Red Wings offered him $2.5. Guess that isn't "so far off", now is it? Grier made $1.7, how would him sign for less be "so far off"? He's 34 and didn't play the entire season last year. But he did put up 23pts in 62 games. Mats Sundin, how much do you pay a 39 y/o with injury issues and on the decline? He's a health risk and may play 70 games if lucky. May play 40 or less, who knows...? Unless you think 3 million is too much for him? Well, I'm pretty sure he could demand $3 million from a desperate team and get it. He could still put up over a .5 pt per game. His contract is probably the most debatable of the 3, since there are players like Islanders with the cash flow to be ridiculous. Now tell me how much you think these aforementioned players will get, I want to see how "far off" you are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted August 2, 2009 Williams has been contacted by ONE NHL team, if he gets more then 1.5 million, I'll be shocked. Sundin, will probably get 2 million if he's lucky from someone desperate to fill payroll. Grier is an aging grinder, who's coming off an injury plagued season. If Travis Moen couldnt fetch 1.5 million, Mike Grier will not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 I just don't understand how Williams could seriously be set up to get $2.5 million from any team let alone the Wings. I trust that we're interested in Williams, I do not trust at all that we're truly offering him a $2.5 million deal. I will have no head left to shake if it comes to fruition as my mind will be utterly and completely blown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted August 3, 2009 So far off, huh? William made $2.2. And there are reports that said Red Wings offered him $2.5. Guess that isn't "so far off", now is it? Grier made $1.7, how would him sign for less be "so far off"? He's 34 and didn't play the entire season last year. But he did put up 23pts in 62 games. Mats Sundin, how much do you pay a 39 y/o with injury issues and on the decline? He's a health risk and may play 70 games if lucky. May play 40 or less, who knows...? Unless you think 3 million is too much for him? Well, I'm pretty sure he could demand $3 million from a desperate team and get it. He could still put up over a .5 pt per game. His contract is probably the most debatable of the 3, since there are players like Islanders with the cash flow to be ridiculous. Now tell me how much you think these aforementioned players will get, I want to see how "far off" you are. Williams will get anywhere between 1.4 and 1.75 per. Grier will earn himself a deal between 1 and 1.3 per. If Sundin plays, he will get anywhere between 3 and 3.5 per. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
