titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Roles and their replacements. So for Hasek/Conklin we got Howard. Major downgrade no matter how you spin it. Classic concern for Wings fans. 40 Reg Season goals - Increased roles and minutes for Fil, Cleary and Leino. Probably won't score enough in addition to what they produced last year in order to compensate, but I'd be happy if they can get somewhat close. Hudler - Leino and Fil. Neither have Huds' confidence while passing the puck but I think they have strengths in other areas that could compensate. Samuelsson - Stewie/Jonny/Eaves/FA? on the PP; a little bit of Helm and either Abby or a FA to be for 5-on-5. The Wings lost some size and so I wouldn't mind it if Abby made the team but they could still find someone. Kopecky/Drake - A little bit of Helm and either Abby or a FA to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CdnWingsFanEh 2 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Bertuzzi wont be brought here to play on the 4th line. Guys like Niedermayer/Bell/Grier/Peca etc would be those guys. But we don't have a fifth line for him... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 The more I think about it, Helm and Bertuzzi on a line could be fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 If Prospal is so good, how come every team he's been on recently has been more than willing to let him go? People here are busting their pants over this Prospal character. Sort of a Mike Silinger, good player but not central to any team he is on. He clearly is not worth $3.5m at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Ken Holland Shock everyone with a Zherdev/Tanguay hell...even Sundin signing! Sincerely /mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Rookie checker? Helm outplayed both those players towards the end of the playoffs. He's got the grit and determination to score goals just by going to the net a lot and fighting for pucks. Something Hudler, Sammy and all the euro loving fans on this board don't seem to appreciate enough in players. I'd take a team of Helms over anybody we lost in the offseason. Heart and grit is what we need. Not soft, skilled players. Helm is an energy player who put up what, 4 points in the playoffs? Valuable but he's not going to be putting up double-digit points like Hudler and Samuelsson in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsownnhl43 14 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 No, that's not what I mean, lol. I'm quite happy with the Eaves signing. I just mean people assuming Helm will score 20 goals, Flip will get 70 points and Holmstrom being the 13th forward... it's like bizarro land. Please. Moving forward, You saying Homer is still a top 6 forward will be more of a bizzare statement than him being a 13th forward. If not for the loyalty this organization shows its players, Homer wouldnt even be on the team let alone the thirteenth forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Many people here thought Hudler was some sort of god, so good luck convincing them otherwise. Fact is we need players more willing to play in front of the net and to fight for pucks. Even if Hudler was willing to do that, he still wouldn't have the physical size and determination to be effective at it. Helm is also a smaller player but watch the way Helm plays on every shift and the way Hudler plays on every shift, and then tell me who's more important. If everyone played as hard as Helm, we'd win the Cup every year. Hudler was one of the few Wings who DID crash the net. Hudler was one of the hardest and most feisty players. No, he wasn't one of the best defensive forwards on the team. Guess what? Neither is Helm. Helm's only major assets over Hudler are speed and hitting. A lot of people are acting like Helm is going to score at LEAST 15 goals this season. That is an insane projection, unless he spends the entire season with Dats and Z...at which point he might score about 15. Now Sammy? He didn't really crash the net...but he had one of the best wrist shots on the team and a great slapper. As long as he got in a good spot in the high slot, he was pretty dangerous. The only players who bear as little danger offensively as Helm to the opposition are Draper, Maltby, and Oulahen. And that is regardless of who we sign, if we sign anybody or bring up Abdelkader/McGrath/Oulahen and fill out the third line with Abby and/or McGrath. So if Helm is a 15+ goal scorer, the Wings are going to score a MINIMUM of 275 goals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 I actually agree with the guy. Samuelsson and Hudler really arent big losses. They are merely system players that were productive on our third line. To me, the third line was exposed in the SCF. I have no problem making the 3rd line more defensively responsible. It seemed to me that whenever Sammy or Hudler werent in the lineup for whatever reason, the team didnt miss a beat. We are now going to be a tougher team to play against and theres no doubt about that. Sammy = clutch. My memory of the playoffs has Helm playing like a much more important player than Hudler. That's why Hudler was delegated to the 4th line by the end of the playoffs, while Helm was continuously given more responsibility by Babcock. Helm can score 20 goals just by playing hard and going to the net. Hudler, on the other hand was a streaky player that could disappear for long stretches of time. Theoretically he's more of a scorer, but will usually beats skill. Dream on... For the people asking for grit and the others asking for 15 goals I think Bertuzzi can provide both. I haven't seen him play that much, but I get the impression that he doesn't play with as much grit as he used to at all. Also, he's apparently pretty lazy, e.g. turns puck over in offensive zone, then skates slowly to bench to change etc. But he might be worth a shot. What exactly did he do last season that merits him being in the top 12? Based off of what I watched, he is a flat out liability. He's no longer the Tomas Holmstrom of old. I sure as heck dont want him on the ice during the playoffs. Well, since he was injured... I wouldn't call him a liability. Please. Moving forward, You saying Homer is still a top 6 forward will be more of a bizzare statement than him being a 13th forward. If not for the loyalty this organization shows its players, Homer wouldnt even be on the team let alone the thirteenth forward. Hmm... A healthy Holmström is capable of putting up 20+ goals, and helping countless others be scored. He pays a huge price to be at th.e front of the net, and is the best at what he does. He can play rough too. For a Holmström that isn't healthy (like he was in the playoffs this year), he still has lots of value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGKEIB 32 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Hudler was one of the few Wings who DID crash the net. Hudler was one of the hardest and most feisty players. No, he wasn't one of the best defensive forwards on the team. Guess what? Neither is Helm. Helm's only major assets over Hudler are speed and hitting. I know. Remember that one time where he took out Hiller? Pronger didn't push him at all, Hudler was just trying to establish a net presence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Hudler was one of the few Wings who DID crash the net. Hudler was one of the hardest and most feisty players. No, he wasn't one of the best defensive forwards on the team. Guess what? Neither is Helm. Helm's only major assets over Hudler are speed and hitting. A lot of people are acting like Helm is going to score at LEAST 15 goals this season. That is an insane projection, unless he spends the entire season with Dats and Z...at which point he might score about 15. Now Sammy? He didn't really crash the net...but he had one of the best wrist shots on the team and a great slapper. As long as he got in a good spot in the high slot, he was pretty dangerous. The only players who bear as little danger offensively as Helm to the opposition are Draper, Maltby, and Oulahen. And that is regardless of who we sign, if we sign anybody or bring up Abdelkader/McGrath/Oulahen and fill out the third line with Abby and/or McGrath. So if Helm is a 15+ goal scorer, the Wings are going to score a MINIMUM of 275 goals Were you watching the same wings games as me last year? Hudler was not hard and barely crashed the net at all. Sammy had a hard shot but that doesn't mean it was good. He was pretty dangerous to goalies logos, defenseman's shinpads on the PP and Cleary's jaw. Other then that I don't understand your post t all except maybe the last part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Dream on... Yeah. Helm didn't even reached 20 in GR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) bert would be good, the guy is hungry and wants the cup bad, kinda like drake. We all know what bert brings and it can really help this team when it matters most, and like one poster stated, a bert helm leino third line would be amazing. If we could get him on the cheap why not, it's certainly better than some of the options out there right now (although it be very few). Let abdelkader spend one final year in gr and can be a call up incase of injuiries, then let a guy like newbury or downey have the 13th forward spot, no point in letting mcgrath or ouhalen rot away in the press box when they can get meaningful minutes in GR. mule/z/cleary fil/dats/homer leino/helm/bert maltby/draper/eaves(i would even go as far as having malts as the spare) downey/newbury not going to bother with the D as that is already set in stone, ericsson will be playing with one of lebda,meech,lilja on botom pairing looks good to me, then holland can always add that player around the deadline if he chooses to do so but i doubt he will have the money, maybe a depth defenseman then for the playoffs bring up abby mule/z/cleary fil/dats/homer leino/helm/bert abby/draper/eaves maltby i really think holland is waiting out on bert to get him real cheap. If anyone wanted him he'd have a team by now. In Kenny we trust Edited August 5, 2009 by redwingfan19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsownnhl43 14 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 For a Holmström that isn't healthy (like he was in the playoffs this year), he still has lots of value. Hahaha What value is that? It was painful watching Homer play last season and playoffs. I wish LGWers could take off there Red colored goggles every once in a while. Its not a bad thing to realize when a fan favorite is cooked. I had to deal with these kind of posts about Darren McCarty for like two years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Me, I'm torn. Zherdev or Prospal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Me, I'm torn. Zherdev or Prospal? Zherdev! He is only 24, that is good for the team, and this kid is a rocket. Maybe not AS fast as Helm, but he is up there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommingthepuck96 1 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Ken Holland Shock everyone with a Zherdev/Tanguay hell...even Sundin signing! Sincerely /mindfly I wouldnt want sundin, the wings need a scoring winger more than any type of center... Zhederev, prospal and tanguay i think are all high possible signings.. I have a feeling babcock is going to split up datsyuk and zetterberg more than people think he will.. Especially when playing against a team with one scoring line and a shut down line. Example, when playing against the blackhawks or the blue jackets, you just cant afford to put your both of your selke forwards on one line. With datsyuk and Z together Datsyuk/Z/Cleary Franzen,Filppula,UFA Leino,Helm,Eaves Draper,Matlby,Holmstrom (Subbing in on PP'S) D/Z split up Franzen, Z, Cleary Filppula,Datsyuk,UFA Or holmstrom, Leino,Helm,Eaves Maltby,Draper,Holmstrom,Or UFA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Were you watching the same wings games as me last year? Hudler was not hard and barely crashed the net at all. Sammy had a hard shot but that doesn't mean it was good. He was pretty dangerous to goalies logos, defenseman's shinpads on the PP and Cleary's jaw. Other then that I don't understand your post t all except maybe the last part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Zherdev! He is only 24, that is good for the team, and this kid is a rocket. Maybe not AS fast as Helm, but he is up there. Say the Wings were to sign him...any chance of him playing with fellow Russian Datsyuk? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chunkylover 26 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Mike Sillinger? I didn't even realize he played at all last season, albeit only seven games, has he officially retired? He could be the heart-and-soul grit guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Mike Sillinger? I didn't even realize he played at all last season, albeit only seven games, has he officially retired? He could be the heart-and-soul grit guy. As much as i want a heart and soul grit guy I don't think Mike Sillinger is the one for the wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Mike Sillinger? I didn't even realize he played at all last season, albeit only seven games, has he officially retired? He could be the heart-and-soul grit guy. It would bring him back to where he started his NHL career, although I'm not sure about signing him. I don't think we need another old, injury prone vet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peleshob 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) Please. Moving forward, You saying Homer is still a top 6 forward will be more of a bizzare statement than him being a 13th forward. If not for the loyalty this organization shows its players, Homer wouldnt even be on the team let alone the thirteenth forward. Actually, on the sets of projected lines I've thrown out he's been on the 1st and 3rd lines depending on his health/production. Either way you slice it, if the guy is healthy he can bring something unique. And like others have said, he's a 20 goal scorer and he's good at what he does. The "13th" skater is going to be Meech as a utility forward/defenseman or a guy like Oulahen or McGrath if we have the extra cap space. Edited August 5, 2009 by Peleshob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pucks 66 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Prospal down to 2 teams Detroit and Washington apparently. http://www.hockeyleaks.com/index.php?page=rumors Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted August 5, 2009 Prospal down to 2 teams Detroit and Washington apparently. http://www.hockeyleaks.com/index.php?page=rumors Oh man......that would just be so insanely awesome...... :thumbup: :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
