hckypete96 3 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 listen guys i'm not panicing or anythig but i just feel like this may be a rebuilding year for the wings. not like a toronoto or an atlanta rebuilding year, but more of a "re-tooling" year. think about it, we got a bunch of rookies playing and it just doesn't feel like we're doing everything we can to have the best roster in the league right now. also i think you have to throw in the fatigue factor, our boys have got to be tired and this year will only be worse. think about it.. 07 final 4 08 cup champs 09 lose in game 7 in finals grrrr 10 short summer, start the year in sweeden, and over half of our team will play in the olympics! it just feels like to me that kennys kinda chalkin up this season as a loss. i mean, we're obv goin to make playoffs, but it just feels like the boys are burnt out. maybe having only a decent year will make them more motivated for 10-11 when we have a lot of cap room, and more rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hckypete96 3 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 yea i mean i gotta figure he will make a big deal at the deadline cuz we will have some cap space, prolly like 1.5 mil, so we'll see. i just feel the boys are gonna be too tired! 3 years of success takes a toll on u Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themule93 1 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 any thoughts on who kenny will deal for at the deadline ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan Bylsma 27 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) get ready for rebuilding years,maybe as many as 8-10 years in the wilderness.By that time the Pens will have caught up with the wings Stanley Cup totals. This will provide the wings with the desire to regain the prominace that they once had. Edited August 6, 2009 by Dan Bylsma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hckypete96 3 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 any thoughts on who kenny will deal for at the deadline ? i have no clue, hopefully someone sick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Holland signs an average player to an average salary and the majority of members here absolutely have lost their minds. The Red Wings have won 4 Cups in 12 years. Made the playoffs in roughly 15 straight years. Holland is not rebuilding and signing a so-so guy isn't going to make or break this year. This forum needs to stop losing it's mind and get a grip. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryMalredo 2 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 It doesn't matter who has left, and who has come in, the expectations will be for the Cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 yea i mean i gotta figure he will make a big deal at the deadline cuz we will have some cap space, prolly like 1.5 mil, so we'll see. i just feel the boys are gonna be too tired! 3 years of success takes a toll on u If the Wings play with this roster all season they could sign a $2.5 million player at the deadline. If Lilja doesn't play this season, they'll have enough cap space to add roughly an $8.5 million player. Note: All this is contingent on the injury situation throughout the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Yea I'm expecting a burn out, short playoffs year, maybe two. I hope a lot of our stars decide to skip the Olympics and take a break. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 get ready for rebuilding years,maybe as many as 8-10 years in the wilderness.By that time the Pens will have caught up with the wings Stanley Cup totals. This will provide the wings with the desire to regain the prominace that they once had. Last warning. You've were warned during the finals, and this type of flame-baiting isn't going to be tolerated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 No. As long as Ozzie is in net, this team can at least get to the 2nd round. The rest depends on the team, I really think Kenny will make moves at the deadline when more money is available, yes Williams is a horrible signing, but rebuilding year? No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cern 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Holland signs an average player to an average salary and the majority of members here absolutely have lost their minds. The Red Wings have won 4 Cups in 12 years. Made the playoffs in roughly 15 straight years. Holland is not rebuilding and signing a so-so guy isn't going to make or break this year. This forum needs to stop losing it's mind and get a grip. I'm more concerned with the sheer number of rookies on the roster for next season than Williams. Howard in particular, having him play 30+ games when his previous NHL experiments have been complete disasters makes me really nervous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 No. As long as Ozzie is in net, this team can at least get to the 2nd round. The rest depends on the team, I really think Kenny will make moves at the deadline when more money is available, yes Williams is a horrible signing, but rebuilding year? No. A lot of that will depend on how well the kids in GR have progressed through that point. If Kenny sees an abundance in one area or another, it most certainly makes making a move easier to deal with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 A lot of that will depend on how well the kids in GR have progressed through that point. If Kenny sees an abundance in one area or another, it most certainly makes making a move easier to take. True, I could see Abdelkader here as a gritty tough presence, if a trade isnt in the best interest, and assuming he has a strong year in GR to that point. But on defence, I think Kenny may make a depth move there, and again that depends on if Liljas healthy or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hckypete96 3 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 also, we have like 16 mil in cap space for next year. i realize lidstrom has to be re-signed, but still, with holland signing all of these 1 year deals, you gotta believe hes hatching a master plan for next season when we have a bunch of cap space..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Last warning. You've were warned during the finals, and this type of flame-baiting isn't going to be tolerated. For fun we should write down his words and send them to him when the Pens are unsuccessful at defending the Cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieBoy 2 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) listen guys i'm not panicing or anythig but i just feel like this may be a rebuilding year for the wings. not like a toronoto or an atlanta rebuilding year, but more of a "re-tooling" year. think about it, we got a bunch of rookies playing and it just doesn't feel like we're doing everything we can to have the best roster in the league right now. also i think you have to throw in the fatigue factor, our boys have got to be tired and this year will only be worse. think about it.. 07 final 4 08 cup champs 09 lose in game 7 in finals grrrr 10 short summer, start the year in sweeden, and over half of our team will play in the olympics! it just feels like to me that kennys kinda chalkin up this season as a loss. i mean, we're obv goin to make playoffs, but it just feels like the boys are burnt out. maybe having only a decent year will make them more motivated for 10-11 when we have a lot of cap room, and more rest. I'm not sure I get this...rookies like Cleary, Datsuk, Zetterburg, Franzen, Holmstrom, Filpula, Kronwall, Lidstrom, Stuart, Rafalski, Lilja(we'll see what happens with him), and Meech? Yes, we have some younger guys playing but that includes Helm, Abdelkader and Ericsson who may be young but have shown they can contribute beyond their years of experience. Just about all the players I named are players any team in teh league would try to build a roster around. OK, so we picked up a couple 3rdd or 4th liners like Williams...but they do not define the team and they'll be fine in the roles they are there to fill. We've also got some good talent sitting in Grand Rapids still. This is not a rebuilding year. A retooling year? I think every year is a retooling year for a good team that tries to be in it every year. EDIT: And as far as fatigue, these are pro athletes, they are not tired. They looked tired in the finals because there were alot of injuries. Lidstrom was playing after he had his nuts operated on...of course he'll be tired...Datsuk was still roughed up, etc. Edited August 6, 2009 by StevieBoy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swayze 81 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 If Lilja doesn't play this season, they'll have enough cap space to add roughly an $8.5 million player. One problem: What player worth 8.5 mil is gonna be a free agent near the deadline? The only one I would say has a shot at that is Sundin, and if he waits that long to sign again would we really want him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 also, we have like 16 mil in cap space for next year. i realize lidstrom has to be re-signed, but still, with holland signing all of these 1 year deals, you gotta believe hes hatching a master plan for next season when we have a bunch of cap space..... No, No, No.....Kenny's clearly a moron. Just read the boards today and you'd think the guy never did a single thing right his entire career. The fact of the matter is that I don't care for the Williams signing either, I see what Kenny's doing. Through the emotion out and one can really see things much clearer. Nice post, btw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Just because we didn't sign a big name free agent it is suddenly a rebuilding year? Do you know how many teams would LOVE to be as stacked with talent as the Wings are? Please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 One problem: What player worth 8.5 mil is gonna be a free agent near the deadline? The only one I would say has a shot at that is Sundin, and if he waits that long to sign again would we really want him? No, there won't be many (if any) players being moved that make that kind of money, however I was merely letting people know the Cap room Kenny will be dealing with if he so chooses to make a move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 At this point, I don't necessarily think we'll win the Cup this year but I wouldn't go so far as to call it a rebuilding year at all. It's definitely not the ideal team they'd like to be icing every night, but it's still a very strong team and we'll be competitive and compete. There are 8 teams that will make the playoffs in the West and I think you'll see the most evenly matched 8 teams we've seen maybe ever. It's going to be a really exciting season of HOCKEY in general to watch. If we win it this year it'll feel great because it'll be a hell of a battle to get there. The soonest this team MAYBE will have an actual rebuilding year is the year after Lidstrom retires. MAYBE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 The team last year was worse defensively than the year before. Yet Hossa backchecked his ass off. I bet we see a tighter defensive team this year, which might be why Kenny added the players he did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hckypete96 3 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 No, there won't be many (if any) players being moved that make that kind of money, however I was merely letting people know the Cap room Kenny will be dealing with if he so chooses to make a move. not sure if u were bein sarcastic or not... but if you weren't then ty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lidstrom for life 20 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Holland signs an average player to an average salary and the majority of members here absolutely have lost their minds. The Red Wings have won 4 Cups in 12 years. Made the playoffs in roughly 15 straight years. Holland is not rebuilding and signing a so-so guy isn't going to make or break this year. This forum needs to stop losing it's mind and get a grip. Whats this?! Someone who is making sense?! Didn't you get the memo that rational thought isn't allowed on LGW today? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
