titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Agreed, I have an 8x10 of that shot. I love the "don't kill him, Iggy!" look on Zetterberg's face as he tries to hole Iginla back. Thankfully, Iginla is so classy that he doesn't kill Lidstrom with his bare hands, even though he certainly could. In a street fight, sure Iggy could kill Lidstrom but only if Nick just sat back and took it. But he probably wouldn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 I wasn't aware Nick got pissed off. No matter the situation, he always seems so even-keeled out there - like he's got ice water running in his veins. Nick always seemed like Steve in that respect. I don't remember if Steve was real mouthy out there early in his career but when I started following the team in the early 90s, he seemed sedate. Not that he wasn't fired up, just that he'd glare at you or something and that was his way of saying "back off, assface." You've never seen Yzerman give it to the refs in the face-off circle? He's a legend for telling the refs to "f*** off" in the face-off circle. Yzerman talked A LOT of s*** throughout his career. And he was good enough to back it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut40 176 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 In a street fight, sure Iggy could kill Lidstrom but only if Nick just sat back and took it. But he probably wouldn't. Yeah he would probably shoot laser beams out of his eyes at him like he did to Burish in the previously posted picture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
numberthirtynine 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Lidstrom is not a small guy. We don't know what he'd do in a fight. He's perfect at everything, why should we expect him to not be able to do anything? What I do know is this-the world wrote off Datsyuk as a *****, and even we figured he probably couldn't throw fists. This was before he threw around his body every chance he got, knocked everyone on their ass including guys much bigger, culiminating with him dropping haymakers on Gary Roberts. Point is, we had no idea Pavel could throw heavyweight punches against Roberts of all people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electrophile 3,554 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 You've never seen Yzerman give it to the refs in the face-off circle? He's a legend for telling the refs to "f*** off" in the face-off circle. Yzerman talked A LOT of s*** throughout his career. And he was good enough to back it up. Honestly, no. I wasn't implying he DIDN'T do those things, just that I hadn't seen it. I usually don't focus on that kind of stuff unless it's really overt, as in exaggerated body language or something. If Steve is bent over to take a face-off and he's giving the ref the business, I'm not going to notice that unless the ref reacts to it in someway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
truebladearmy 33 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Linky I cant think of any time Steve or Joe did what Jerome did in the 07' playoffs.. Dumb list. I mean look at that list. It's a retarded ass reporter, who probably doesn't even watch hockey, putting names he knows on a list. Half of those people shouldn't be on that list. Iginla as second? Are you serious? Has he ever watched a hockey game? I mean c'mon. Kronwall is classier than half of those guys. Lol not saying kronwall should be on the list, obviously...just saying...... That's one of the worst most biased most uneducated lists I've ever seen. It'a joke. Where did you find this? The onion? I mean c'mon. Next thing we'll be hearing is that Bret Favre is the best goalie of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Agreed, I have an 8x10 of that shot. I love the "don't kill him, Iggy!" look on Zetterberg's face as he tries to hole Iginla back. Thankfully, Iginla is so classy that he doesn't kill Lidstrom with his bare hands, even though he certainly could. Surprised he didn't try. Iginla's a spot-picking *****. Classy he is not, though he's no Corey Perry... yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
numberthirtynine 0 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Next thing we'll be hearing is that Bret Favre is the best goalie of all time. "Well, well, wellwhen Brett Favre throws a puck into the endzone goal, it's usually 8 points for the Detroit Favre Wings, now when he kicks it for a goal into the crowd it's a Favredown and you just wanna kiss him on his little Favrey lips OH OH WE-WE-WE-WELL I JUST MADE a little mess uh myself here" - John Madden Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) On ice conduct is important for so many reasons I can't even bother to get into them all. One being that dirty play can injure a fellow player and end his career, thus altering his ability to be classy by your definitions off the ice. And it'll take some seriously drunken reaching to suggest Datsyuk isn't a total class act. Because he obviously is. And about Iginla, I don't care how big the smile is he gives you when he's not in skates. On the ice, he's a punk *****. He's a Canadian kid so the media excuses it the way they did with Gary f***in idiot Roberts-they just call it passion/desire/willingness to win, or some other lame duck justification. If he was a Euro, Cherry and the rest of the world would hate him. Think about it... ...not many people who excuse Iginla's behavior, excused Alfreddsson for shooting a puck at a Duck in an uncalled for scenario. Then, it was immature and dirty. Throw a fit when you're a CDN playing for a beloved CDN team? It's just passion! Throw a fit when you're playing for a team no one cares about, and you weren't born in North America? You're a dirty punk. Gotta love the collective NHL media. Gary Roberts was a ******* warrior who would tear your eyes out to win, HE was good old fashioned hockey. How anyone can say this is beyond me? Just because the Wings exhibit class doesnt mean that is how hockeys play, hockey is a brutal, violent game where the toughest team mentally and physically win in the end. Ted Lindsay, Gordie Howe, Sid Abel, would do whatever it takes to win, Roberts and Iginla are no different, Gary Roberts was a legend for his postseason play, Iginla's led Canada to gold in 02 and will do the same this year, and as much as I hate Calgary with a passion, one day he'll have a ring on his finger. Edited August 30, 2009 by Detroit # 1 Fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings Gone Wild 6 Report post Posted August 30, 2009 Gary Roberts was a ******* warrior who would tear your eyes out to win, HE was good old fashioned hockey. How anyone can say this is beyond me? Just because the Wings exhibit class doesnt mean that is how hockeys play, hockey is a brutal, violent game where the toughest team mentally and physically win in the end. Ted Lindsay, Gordie Howe, Sid Abel, would do whatever it takes to win, Roberts and Iginla are no different, Gary Roberts was a legend for his postseason play, Iginla's led Canada to gold in 02 and will do the same this year, and as much as I hate Calgary with a passion, one day he'll have a ring on his finger. I don't think anyone is advocating playing the game with skirts on or anything.... the game is "brutal"... but that brutality only works if it's within the confines of fair play. When players begin taking liberties, or disobeying the rules, then rule changes come into play.. and crackdowns occur on the physical nature of the game. If anything, being cheap is counterproductive to maintaining a physical presence in the game, because nobody likes the cheap stuff (expect shortsighted fans who appreciate only the split-second gratification of the hit, and fail to see the big-picture of the retaliation... whether it be direct, like a suspension, or indirect, like an eventual rule change). It's because of the really dirty stuff that was happening that we've begun getting all these anti-fighting rules... which quite frankly is a shame. Roberts is a guy I liked, but he could be real cheap too... And Iginla led Canada to gold? Iginla's only good game in the 02 Olympics was against the U.S. in the final. If you don't remember Roberts sucker-punching Franzen in the head when the Mule had just come back from a concussion... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 I miss lids without visor in that awesome vintage ccm-helmet Me too, he just doesn't look the same Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted August 31, 2009 Lidstrom is not a small guy. We don't know what he'd do in a fight. He's perfect at everything, why should we expect him to not be able to do anything? Mark Tinordi knows how Lids would do in a fight. Someone, put up the video of Lids getting his ass beat by Tinordi, the one where Yzerman came into the fray to save Lids from further punnishment. What I do know is this-the world wrote off Datsyuk as a *****, and even we figured he probably couldn't throw fists. This was before he threw around his body every chance he got, knocked everyone on their ass including guys much bigger, culiminating with him dropping haymakers on Gary Roberts. Point is, we had no idea Pavel could throw heavyweight punches against Roberts of all people. Pavel cannot throw heaveyweight punches. Pavel would not beat Gary Roberts in an actual fight. I was impressed by his little showing against Roberts, and I really like the more physical player he's developed into - but Gary Roberts would kill him in a fight 99 times out of 100 - Pavel eeking out a draw on the remaining 1. Dats and Lids are both great players, but if you think that either of them can fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 On ice conduct is important for so many reasons I can't even bother to get into them all. One being that dirty play can injure a fellow player and end his career, thus altering his ability to be classy by your definitions off the ice. And it'll take some seriously drunken reaching to suggest Datsyuk isn't a total class act. Because he obviously is. And about Iginla, I don't care how big the smile is he gives you when he's not in skates. On the ice, he's a punk *****. He's a Canadian kid so the media excuses it the way they did with Gary f***in idiot Roberts-they just call it passion/desire/willingness to win, or some other lame duck justification. If he was a Euro, Cherry and the rest of the world would hate him. Think about it... ...not many people who excuse Iginla's behavior, excused Alfreddsson for shooting a puck at a Duck in an uncalled for scenario. Then, it was immature and dirty. Throw a fit when you're a CDN playing for a beloved CDN team? It's just passion! Throw a fit when you're playing for a team no one cares about, and you weren't born in North America? You're a dirty punk. Gotta love the collective NHL media. Iginla throwing a crosscheck is a hell of a lot different then blasting a slap shot at someone and not even aiming it. That cross check on the hip isn't very likely to hurt anyone. Getting blasted in the face with a puck? See Dan Cleary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holmstrom96 347 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 No Datsyuk? Damn, how many Lady Byngs do you have to win before you can get some recognition!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 Mark Tinordi knows how Lids would do in a fight. Someone, put up the video of Lids getting his ass beat by Tinordi, the one where Yzerman came into the fray to save Lids from further punnishment. Pavel cannot throw heaveyweight punches. Pavel would not beat Gary Roberts in an actual fight. I was impressed by his little showing against Roberts, and I really like the more physical player he's developed into - but Gary Roberts would kill him in a fight 99 times out of 100 - Pavel eeking out a draw on the remaining 1. Dats and Lids are both great players, but if you think that either of them can fight. Tinordi was a big *****. If he had any balls, he would have fought someone other than Lidstrom. The Wings had plenty of fighters on their team back then for him to fight at some point in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings Gone Wild 6 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 Tinordi was a big *****. If he had any balls, he would have fought someone other than Lidstrom. The Wings had plenty of fighters on their team back then for him to fight at some point in the game. Not to mention that fight was basically a big brawl with bodies everywhere. It's not like Lids and him squared up and fought in the open ice... Do I think Lids is a secret fighter capable of beating guys up? No.. but to use that fight as evidence that he for sure couldnt.. a little silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted August 31, 2009 Tinordi was a big *****. If he had any balls, he would have fought someone other than Lidstrom. The Wings had plenty of fighters on their team back then for him to fight at some point in the game. To be fair to Tinordi, he wasn't *that* big of a ***** - he squared up with Probert, McCarty, McKay and Dougie Howard - losing most or all of those fights. I doubt he would have picked a fight with Lidstrom just for the hell of it off a faceoff or whatever, but when you're on the ice durring a brawl I see no reason to not just grab the nearest guy and start punching. It's not like there was a long list of other guys he could have gone with who were just standing around looking for a partner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 To be fair to Tinordi, he wasn't *that* big of a ***** - he squared up with Probert, McCarty, McKay and Dougie Howard - losing most or all of those fights. I doubt he would have picked a fight with Lidstrom just for the hell of it off a faceoff or whatever, but when you're on the ice durring a brawl I see no reason to not just grab the nearest guy and start punching. It's not like there was a long list of other guys he could have gone with who were just standing around looking for a partner. It was cheap and wasn't something most guys would have done to someone like Lidstrom. Maybe Kocur or McCarty should have grabbed Bondra later in the game and beat him up. Tinordi broke the fighters code. He is a ***** for that incident, even though he did fight tougher guys throughout his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted August 31, 2009 Not trying to defend Tinordi here, but Lids wasn't the player then that he is today. Lids back then was just another Euro punk kid who was taking away jobs from good Canadian lads If I'm not mistaken, that was in the late 90's, when Lidstrom was already a star player. He wasn't a legend yet, but Tinordi still went after a star player, which is not something most tough guys do in brawls, unless provoked severely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted September 1, 2009 If I'm not mistaken, that was in the late 90's, when Lidstrom was already a star player. He wasn't a legend yet, but Tinordi still went after a star player, which is not something most tough guys do in brawls, unless provoked severely. Do I need to drag up footage of Probie sucker-punching goalies and forcing Roenick and Owen Nolan into fights that they didn't want? ...and yeah, I know those weren't brawl situations. They were, however, seemingly unprovoked *****-slappings (or at leats attempted *****-slappings) of valuable players who were not known for fighting with heaveyweights. ...and they were awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted September 1, 2009 Do I need to drag up footage of Probie sucker-punching goalies and forcing Roenick and Owen Nolan into fights that they didn't want? ...and yeah, I know those weren't brawl situations. They were, however, seemingly unprovoked *****-slappings (or at leats attempted *****-slappings) of valuable players who were not known for fighting with heaveyweights. ...and they were awesome. Bad example. Roenick and Nolan were both more known for fighting than Lidstrom, especially Nolan. Also, Roenick was a s***-talker, so he probably had it coming. But in any case, Probert broke the code on many occasions as well, I'm just saying what Tinordi did was cheap and I think he's a ***** for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest micah Report post Posted September 1, 2009 But in any case, Probert broke the code on many occasions as well, I'm just saying what Tinordi did was cheap and I think he's a ***** for it. I agree to partially disagree with you. I agree that pummeling Lidstrom and making him look silly in the only near-fight of his carreer was *****-like, but I disagree that such was sufficient to labe Tinordi a *****. He was pretty honorable throughout his carreer, especially by toughguy standards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites