Lebda and Meech both suck

[uk_redwing 495]

I havn't made a thread in a while. Feel free to share opinions about just how much those two waste of cap and roster spaces suck.

[Guest lnvincible]

I havn't made a thread in a while. Feel free to share opinions about just how much those two waste of cap and roster spaces suck.

On this thread, i actually 100% agree. Which is RARE!

[ComradeWasabi 109]

Agreed wholeheartedly.

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

I'd rather have Chelios.

[Casey 145]

Lebda unabashedly sucks- his positioning is poor, and he can't move the puck worth a darn. I'd wager I could spraypaint a circle on the boards, and that I could nail the exact spot he uses to work the puck around the back of the net. If there's a defender there, there's a turnover, every time. He just doesn't look.

Even with Cheli, you could tell that he knew where to be, just his age didn't let him have the speed needed to get there consistently. I question if Lebda could even say where to be, let alone get there.

Meech is an upgrade, but not much. Combine Meech/Lebda with Howard, and the backend just got weak as paper.

[Z and D for the C 712]

I'd rather have Meech over Lebda, but for the love of god Lilja get better!

[Carman 387]

Not hurting the team as much as Holmstrom, but close.

[Doggy 130]

Yeah but every team has at least one or two defensemen that the fans would rather not be there. Seriously, there are some horrible D-men out there even worse than the likes of Lebda. Even before the cap era, this was the case.

[Holmstrom96 347]

I havn't made a thread in a while. Feel free to share opinions about just how much those two waste of cap and roster spaces suck.

New thread substance fail. If you're going to make a new thread, make it something substantial. Just don't simply state an opinion in a sentence and then click submit.

Your simple opinion put together with no effort belongs as a reply to an existing thread, not a new one.

[Guest micah]

I havn't made a thread in a while. Feel free to share opinions about just how much those two waste of cap and roster spaces suck.

Very, very much.

[uk_redwing 495]

New thread substance fail. If you're going to make a new thread, make it something substantial. Just don't simply state an opinion in a sentence and then click submit.

Your simple opinion put together with no effort belongs as a reply to an existing thread, not a new one.

Lecture fail.

[P. Marlowe 748]

Lecture fail.

Fail fail.

Let's blame something!

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Let's blame something!

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[EuroTwin 240]

I'd rather have Meech over Lebda, but for the love of god Lilja get better!

I second this like whoa. Lilja needs to get better quickly. For the love of god, please, Lilja. Get better quickly.

Though I have mild (if delusional) hopes that perhaps Meech and Lebda will get better with time. Okay, maybe just Meech as Lebs has been here awhile now.

[P. Marlowe 748]

Lebda has the ability to be a very good 3rd pair defenseman like he was for example in last season's playoffs. Just like last season, he has started this season bad.

It's not like one player who plays 10 minutes a game can have that big an inluence to the outcome.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Lebda has the ability to be a very good 3rd pair defenseman like he was for example in last season's playoffs. Just like last season, he has started this season bad.

It's not like one player who plays 10 minutes a game can have that big an inluence to the outcome.

Well he has been on the ice for every single even strength goal against the Wings this season.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Lebda has the ability to be a very good 3rd pair defenseman like he was for example in last season's playoffs. Just like last season, he has started this season bad.

It's not like one player who plays 10 minutes a game can have that big an inluence to the outcome.

I guess you didn't see Saturday's game?

Each of those two soft goals Howard let in started with a major screwup by Lebda.

[P. Marlowe 748]

Well he has been on the ice for every single even strength goal against the Wings this season.

I guess you didn't see Saturday's game?

Each of those two soft goals Howard let in started with a major screwup by Lebda.

Sure sure. I already agreed that he has played bad, but still he wasn't the only Wing on the ice. You already wrote that Lebda isn't the only one to blame as Howard should be able to save those kind of shots.

Penalty killing and goaltending are among their biggest problems and Lebda doesn't have much to do with those things.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Lebda is -3, everyone else is -1 or better. That says a lot.

[waitahochiminute 2]

Seriously? A thread about how much 2 of our players suck?

I make a thread about how people get paranoid 2 games into the season...and it gets deleted lol

[under_par_00 45]

Not hurting the team as much as Holmstrom, but close.

I agree. He is only good when used on the PP and he can just park in front of the net. The Dats - Franzen - Homer line isnt working because Datsyuk is the only good passer, and they cant get sustained pressure. To make it work, you need to have a more skilled passer playing with Datsyuk (like Zetterberg). What I would like to see is:

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Holmstrom

Leino - Filppula - Franzen

Cleary can share time in place of Leino or Homer.

[VM1138 1,921]

Lebda has the ability to be a very good 3rd pair defenseman like he was for example in last season's playoffs. Just like last season, he has started this season bad.

It's not like one player who plays 10 minutes a game can have that big an inluence to the outcome.

I'm not sure if someone else responded to this, I stopped reading after this post, I had to reply so bad:

That player, playing 10 minutes a night, has directly contributed to at least two goals, maybe three (I can't recall), moreso than any other player. So that player playing only 10 minutes a night has been more destructive than anyone else on the team. Since the team hasn't won a game yet, it's fair to see the player with the biggest impact thus far has been Lebda.

I hate getting snarky with the Internet lingo but:

Fail.

It really pains me to truly bash a Wings player, I grew up as a kid never admitting that any Red Wings player could ever be subpar, but Lebda. freaking. sucks. He was decent in the playoffs, but man, if he's going to cost us...

Put it like this: Remember when Lilja would play really well, but then have ridiculously bad luck with an unlucky turnover? He could always be counted on to make a mistake (even if it wasn't really his fault, just bad luck) when it mattered, but play excellently every other time.

Well, with Lebda, take away the "play excellently every other time" and take away the "unlucky turnover" and you're basically stuck with just a big pile of suck.

Lebda=Gone. Sooner or later.

[MabusIncarnate 5,359]

Guess i'd better cut Lebda and Meech off of my fantasy roster.

[Guest Crymson]

I havn't made a thread in a while. Feel free to share opinions about just how much those two waste of cap and roster spaces suck.

I hear the Wings only just narrowly missed signing Beauchemin and Niedermayer to those two spots; Holland had them in the bag, but he informed them that it'd be unfair for us to have six top-pairing defensemen. As such, now we're stuck with just four, and, in this harsh, oppressive salary-cap era, we've suffered the indignity of needing to skate two defensemen who aren't considered to be amongst the best at that position.

In other words, the salary cap era has necessitated maintaining some players who are not notably good but are instead merely average but also affordable. Want a time when the Wings had six great defensemen in play at all times? Go build a time machine. In lieu of that, you'll just need to accept that Meech and Lebda are third-pairing defensemen and that they are of a caliber that is prone to mistakes---you'll see defensemen from every team make these; you're just used to the Wings` defense being exceptionally good---but that they are necessary in that they are also affordable.

I'm curious as to who you feel are the alternatives. Let's not forget that Lilja was everyone's favorite whipping boy for quite some time, and he costs as much as both Lebda and Meech combined.

[P. Marlowe 748]

I hear the Wings only just narrowly missed signing Beauchemin and Niedermayer to those two spots; Holland had them in the bag, but he informed them that it'd be unfair for us to have six top-pairing defensemen. As such, now we're stuck with just four, and, in this harsh, oppressive salary-cap era, we've suffered the indignity of needing to skate two defensemen who aren't considered to be amongst the best at that position.

In other words, the salary cap era has necessitated maintaining some players who are not notably good but are instead merely average but also affordable. Want a time when the Wings had six great defensemen in play at all times? Go build a time machine. In lieu of that, you'll just need to accept that Meech and Lebda are third-pairing defensemen and that they are of a caliber that is prone to mistakes---you'll see defensemen from every team make these; you're just used to the Wings` defense being exceptionally good---but that they are necessary in that they are also affordable.

I'm curious as to who you feel are the alternatives. Let's not forget that Lilja was everyone's favorite whipping boy for quite some time, and he costs as much as both Lebda and Meech combined.

Yep.

Osgood and Howard make mistakes too, but they're bloody cheap. To sign a mistake-free goalie (let's imagine they exist and are available) you have to trade one of the top four D's away and then you have play both Lebda and Meech (or some other of their caliber). Wings are lucky that Ericsson is still in his rookie contract. He'd deserve 2-3 times more.

[FunkedUp 29]

Lebda and Meech may not be the greatest, but for their cap hit it would be tough to find a better bargain. Of course, it would be much better if Lilja was healthy. I know people rag on him, but we are really missing his presence. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that our defensive play and PK are lacking quality in his absence.