RusDRW 155 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Trade Lebda and put Janik in. At least, he can fight occasionally. He is not good at it though.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Fail fail. Let's blame something! Oh, hell yeah. Jumping on this cheer: Let's blame something! :clap: :clap: Let's blame something! :clap: :clap: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 I suck. *shrugs* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holmstrom96 347 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Lecture fail. I didn't want to have to resort to this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltgator333 3 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Argue for the sake of arguing. Well being Lebda and Meech are the least skilled d-men on the team that's an easy call to make. Lebda, when playing well, is serviceable but I'd like to see them both move(d) on, and we need a solid stay at home dman to take the last roster spot. (Andreas Lilja, I'm sorry. Please come back?) Barring that, it'd be nice to pick up a veteran for a cheap short term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 I'm glad that more people are finally starting to agree with what I've been saying: Meech>Lebda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 The Wings have an excellent 5th or 6th defenseman...no wait....I forgot we released Kyle Quincey for NOTHING. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Normally i find myself backing Lebda cause the good ol' #22 on his back... However, he looks horrible out there in these first two games (the only two i have watched so far this year btw) he made way to many mistakes and skated over and past the puck too many times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslionstigers 12 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Not hurting the team as much as Holmstrom, but close. Have you watched the games? Holmstrom looks healthy and has been a huge net presents. He is battling at his best. His play on the other end of the puck and breaking out is the same as it was 2 years ago when you were high for Holmstrom talking about how great he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sputman 1,268 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Seriously? A thread about how much 2 of our players suck? I make a thread about how people get paranoid 2 games into the season...and it gets deleted lol oh that is funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 I didn't want to have to resort to this... Please lecture me on how to post on a forum. Ive only been here 4 years as opposed to your mighty 10 months of experience. (This isnt a serious thread. I dont do serious.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperNovaXll 124 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Yes. They both suck, we know this. I do have hope that Meech will get in time... I really do have hope! ...Lebda... I think is just awful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMan Mark 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Lebda has the ability to be a very good 3rd pair defenseman like he was for example in last season's playoffs. Just like last season, he has started this season bad. It's not like one player who plays 10 minutes a game can have that big an inluence to the outcome. He does have an influence when he's on the ice for EVERY EVEN-STRENGTH GOAL AGAINST! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMan Mark 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Have you watched the games? Holmstrom looks healthy and has been a huge net presents. He is battling at his best. His play on the other end of the puck and breaking out is the same as it was 2 years ago when you were high for Holmstrom talking about how great he is. Agree, I think Holmer is playing just fine this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 The Wings have an excellent 5th or 6th defenseman...no wait....I forgot we released Kyle Quincey for NOTHING. Because he s*** the bed for more than a year. His last year in GR was terrible. During 07-08 he was easily the worst call-up and got sent down early. In the 08-09 training camp he was horrible. In the 08-09 preseason he was horrible. Holland gave him every chance to earn a spot over Meech but he just couldn't do it. His only selling point at that time was his good play as a call-up in the 06-07 postseason. Even then Holland couldn't find a way to use that to sell him to another club for even a late pick. So he had to waive the kid and give him a shot elsewhere. Quincey played his way out of Detroit. It's as simple as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P. Marlowe 748 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 It really pains me to truly bash a Wings player, I grew up as a kid never admitting that any Red Wings player could ever be subpar, but Lebda. freaking. sucks. He was decent in the playoffs, but man, if he's going to cost us... Even if I agree with you in some ways (Lebda has been subpar this far) I've never been into this complaining thing. To my ear unconstructive complaining is nasty. I think that if complaining isn't going to lead anything then it shouldn't be done. Now I'm wondering if this post is complaining or just neutral mentioning. I tried to keep this neutral. I get an awkward feeling if whiny thoughts try to come out of me and I try to keep them inside. I have this rubber ball on my desk which I squeeze every time I see a Wings player screw up or find something stupid posted on LGW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stiffy 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Yea why not play Quincy more. He may not be stellar, but he was steady and smart. Oh wait, we gave him away for free. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupforwings 138 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 when i think lebda, i think of that play last year in the playoffs against columbus... He made the worst pinch i have ever seen, followed by a two on one and a goal... its one thing if its a one time mistake, but its not... we need lilija back for sure... he at least makes lebda a little more responsible defensively Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) Yea why not play Quincy more. He may not be stellar, but he was steady and smart. Oh wait, we gave him away for free. Hindsights is a WONDERFUL tool, isn't it? Should we all blame Holland for waiving him, when in fact pretty much none of us---or anyone else---saw anything of him that indicated any notable ability? This isn't a video game franchise mode; it's real life. The team cannot be made perfect. when i think lebda, i think of that play last year in the playoffs against columbus... He made the worst pinch i have ever seen, followed by a two on one and a goal... its one thing if its a one time mistake, but its not... we need lilija back for sure... he at least makes lebda a little more responsible defensively And then we forget how well he played in the series against Chicago---especially in game five---because here we are so spoiled that we only remark upon a player when he plays badly, and we do not compliment him if he plays exceptionally when we only realistically expect him to be average. Put it like this: Remember when Lilja would play really well, but then have ridiculously bad luck with an unlucky turnover? He could always be counted on to make a mistake (even if it wasn't really his fault, just bad luck) when it mattered, but play excellently every other time. Are we talking about the same person? Slow, careless Lilja? Is absence making the heart grow fonder here, or are you just choosing to boost Lilja in the quest to down Lebda? Lilja has been responsible for far more in the way of bad turnovers leading to goals over the last few years than Lebda has. He's also slow and absolutely cannot move the puck, whereas Lebda is one of the fastest defensemen in the league. Nobody should expect Lebda to work miracles. He is a 3rd-pairing defenseman. Because he s*** the bed for more than a year. His last year in GR was terrible. During 07-08 he was easily the worst call-up and got sent down early. In the 08-09 training camp he was horrible. In the 08-09 preseason he was horrible. Holland gave him every chance to earn a spot over Meech but he just couldn't do it. His only selling point at that time was his good play as a call-up in the 06-07 postseason. Even then Holland couldn't find a way to use that to sell him to another club for even a late pick. So he had to waive the kid and give him a shot elsewhere. Quincey played his way out of Detroit. It's as simple as that. Some people apparently prefer to believe that they saw his potential (when in fact none did) and that it was somehow a needless, stupid error to let him go, when in fact the cap space was needed and he was the worst defenseman not on a two-way contract. This sort of griping comes from having been a fan of a long-successful team; instead of appreciating the success in any measure, people turn to vehement and heartfelt criticism of the small details. Edited October 5, 2009 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stiffy 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) Hindsights is a WONDERFUL tool, isn't it? Should we all blame Holland for waiving him, when in fact pretty much none of us---or anyone else---saw anything of him that indicated any notable ability? *****, *****, *****. I swear, some people are spoiled beyond belief. This isn't a video game franchise mode; it's real life. The team cannot be made perfect. Oh please, settle down. Your response is just as whiney as what you propose to be railing against. There is this thing called a sense of humor and sarcasm. Perhaps it doesn't come across on a forum, especially when each of us has our own reactions to things and there is a heck of a lot to talk about. So, please don't go assuming the level of fanness and that you are in some way a better fan than anyone else. Besides, it wasn't hindsight on my part or a few others here who called it at the time. See, a little more slight humor and sarcasm. Breathe, relax... Edited October 5, 2009 by Stiffy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Playoffs? You want to talk about the playoffs? Heghhhhhhh. Playoffs. Playoffs? You're talking about the playoffs? Playoffs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Lebda started off rough last year (worse +/- on the team by far for the first couple of months) and ended up getting a lot better as the season progressed. I can't stand that these two guys are the 6 and 7 defensemen right now -- as they are virtual carbon copies of each other and the exact opposite of what I would prefer the Wings have on their bottom pairing. I would rather have a slow, plodding defensive defenseman back there who rarely leaves his own zone than two speedy, small defensemen who think they need to carry the puck, jump up into plays and end up really being turnover machines. I was convinced Quincey would have been a better option than either of these two and I can not wait until Lilja is better and one of these guys can be traded away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
up2here 41 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 Because he s*** the bed for more than a year. His last year in GR was terrible. During 07-08 he was easily the worst call-up and got sent down early. In the 08-09 training camp he was horrible. In the 08-09 preseason he was horrible. Holland gave him every chance to earn a spot over Meech but he just couldn't do it. His only selling point at that time was his good play as a call-up in the 06-07 postseason. Even then Holland couldn't find a way to use that to sell him to another club for even a late pick. So he had to waive the kid and give him a shot elsewhere. Quincey played his way out of Detroit. It's as simple as that. I didnt think Quincey played enough to judge him. Even if everything you say is true,the fact of the matter is they made the wrong choice. We praise management for all the great moves theyve made but they screwed this one up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Ryan 1 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 I didnt think Quincey played enough to judge him. Even if everything you say is true,the fact of the matter is they made the wrong choice. We praise management for all the great moves theyve made but they screwed this one up. I agree with this poster. Asking a young player to cover a mid-40's Chelios is a tough assignment. It's not like Quincy got to develop alongside Nick Lidstrom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted October 5, 2009 OMG! Our #7 and #8 Defencemen aren't NHL caliber!!! OMG!! Seriously, get some perspective. If/When Lilja gets back, one of Meech/Lebda will be traded/waived and the other will be a healthy scratch. There is a reason why they are 7 and 8 on the depth chart. Welcome to the world of having a talented team in the cap era. And for the record, and just to annoy certain people, Lebda has had 2 strong post-seasons on the bounce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
