Wings sign Brad May to 1 Year Deal, $500k

[StevieY9802 6]

I'm pretty sure Helm is still waivers exempt. He will not have to clear waivers if he is sent down. Not saying he will or should be sent down. Just saying he can be.

Edit:

“The waiver status of a player is determined by whether he has a 1-way or 2-way contract.â€

Answer: False. Whether a player has a 1-way or 2-way contract has absolutely no effect on his waiver status – it has to do with the number of years since the player signed his first NHL contract and the number of NHL games he’s played since signing. In fact, there are ten (10) players who have 1-way contracts for 2007-08 and are exempt from waivers.

http://www.nhlscap.com/waivers.htm

It also shows a chart of when a player is still exempt. Helm being 22 would have to have signed his first NHL contract more than 3 years ago and have played in 70 games. He ain't close.

After reading this closer I was somewhat correct. Helm was 20 when he signed his contract so he is exempt from clearing waivers for 3 years or 160 games. So I believe he will have to clear waivers begining next year.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

(translation: avoid your point entirely)

esteef

Be thankful he at least just avoided your point, instead of making one of his weird sexual references or use of perverted animated gifs.

Shoreline, is the Golden Gate Bridge as pretty in person as it is on tv?

[Doc Holiday 0]

(translation: avoid your point entirely)

esteef

He is pointing out a logical fallacy in your argument.

[StevieY9802 6]

Even if Helm is waiver exempt, unless he comes back and plays nothing like he did in the playoffs, there's 0% chance they'll send him down.

He shouldn't but reading what Babcock was saying about having a tough guy like May in the lineup I wonder. Because May would be sent down after what a whole game maybe?

[esteef 2,679]

He is pointing out a logical fallacy in your argument.

Fallacy schmallacy, all I was pointing out was that Downey contributed to the team helping them earn the right to play for the Cup, but since he is an enforcer type player he is and will always be useless to some people.

esteef

[Guest E_S_A_D]

He is pointing out a logical fallacy in your argument.

Actually, I know you are trying to use big words, but technically it's a sub-category of a fallacy; known as "irrelevant conclusion". Esteef didn't do that either, btw.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Fallacy schmallacy, all I was pointing out was that Downey contributed to the team helping them earn the right to play for the Cup, but since he is an enforcer type player he is and will always be useless to some people.

esteef

I was just saying that correlation=/=causation.

Without Downey Detroit was one game away from the cup, which many say was lost during the playoffs and not because of any wear and tear during the regular season.

[egroen 384]

After reading this closer I was somewhat correct. Helm was 20 when he signed his contract so he is exempt from clearing waivers for 3 years or 160 games. So I believe he will have to clear waivers begining next year.

It's taking a while for us to get down to it - but Helm was 19 when he signed his first contract in September of 2006 - which gives him 4 years.

But yes, looks like he is waiver-exempt this year, and it will be his final year.

Sad state of affairs if he is sent to GR though, in all honesty.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Actually, I know you are trying to use big words, but technically it's a sub-category of a fallacy; known as "irrelevant conclusion". Esteef didn't do that either, btw.

No, that wasn't the fallacy I was talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_d...imply_causation

[Guest E_S_A_D]

No, that wasn't the fallacy I was talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_d...imply_causation

Ah, why Yes Wayne, a classic cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

[Guest Shoreline]

(translation: avoid your point entirely)

esteef

Um no, actually, show the use of numbers in this case have been skewed. Numbers aren't biased. The use of them is. In your case especially. You should look to your friend ESAD and micah in how to avoid a point, talking about edited posts, Kamelot, and s***.

Edited October 8, 2009 by Shoreline

[Chunkylover 26]

Fallacy schmallacy, all I was pointing out was that Downey contributed to the team helping them earn the right to play for the Cup, but since he is an enforcer type player he is and will always be useless to some people.

esteef

No one ever said he was useless as an enforcer. He was pretty ineffective in doing anything else though. Cap space is limited so it's important to get the most out of every player. If May can forecheck and occasionally fight, in fact, if he never fights all season, but can grind out the puck in the opposition zone more than his own I'll be more than satisfied. Will you?

[esteef 2,679]

Um no, actually, show the use of numbers in this case have been skewed. Numbers aren't biased. The use of them is. In your case especially. You should look to your friend ESAD and micah in how to avoid a point, talking about edited posts, Kamelot, and s***.

So 56 regular season games doesn't count as contribution?

esteef

[StevieY9802 6]

It's taking a while for us to get down to it - but Helm was 19 when he signed his first contract in September of 2006 - which gives him 4 years.

But yes, looks like he is waiver-exempt this year, and it will be his final year.

Sad state of affairs if he is sent to GR though, in all honesty.

I'm with you. I was/am really looking forward to seeing him here for a whole year. I hope he's not sent down but I could see it as being possible if they want May in the lineup. Stupid salary cap. Having both on the team would be great.

[Chunkylover 26]

Stupid salary cap.

There isn't a time when this statement is inappropriate.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Ah, why Yes Wayne, a classic cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

It's actually POST cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

[Guest Shoreline]

So 56 regular season games doesn't count as contribution?

esteef

To the regular season, but unless I'm mistaken the cup isn't won in the regular season (ask Sharks fans), and not being played in the playoffs means you either were too injured to play or didn't really have much a role. Pretty simple.

[esteef 2,679]

To the regular season, but unless I'm mistaken the cup isn't won in the regular season (ask Sharks fans), and not being played in the playoffs means you either were too injured to play or didn't really have much a role. Pretty simple.

And how does a team get to the playoffs? I'm guessing by winning in the regular season which Downey helped them do.

BTW, in Anaheim's Cup winning year, May played MORE playoff games than regular season games. He's probably just as useless as Downey though right?

esteef

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

BTW, in Anaheim's Cup winning year, May played MORE playoff games than regular season games. He's probably just as useless as Downey though right?

That's a bit disingenuous, broski, he was a deadline acquisition.

[NGKEIB 32]

It's actually POST cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

No...

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc and post hoc ergo propter hoc are different, the former meaning 'with this, therefore because of this', the latter meaning 'after this, and therefore because of it.

[esteef 2,679]

That's a bit disingenuous, broski, he was a deadline acquisition.

SSSHHHHHH!!! He'll hear you!

esteef

[russianswede919293 95]

May is the kind of enforcer i DO like. He is a better all around player then Downey or McCarty last year. That being said he is not a 2 shift and out kind of guy...That is a GOOD Enforcer!!!!

Worried about what happens with Helm though. I really don't think he should be sent down...

[Guest Shoreline]

And how does a team get to the playoffs? I'm guessing by winning in the regular season which Downey helped them do.

BTW, in Anaheim's Cup winning year, May played MORE playoff games than regular season games. He's probably just as useless as Downey though right?

esteef

He actually played 24 games that season, and 18 in the playoffs. If you wonder why I question your use of numbers -- this is why.

[StevieY9802 6]

There isn't a time when this statement is inappropriate.

I'm not totally against the cap but it's sure hurting right now.

Also Bruce McLeod's response to me on twitter when I asked if he thought May would go down when Helm was ready.

RedWingsBruce @tmoore4075 I don't know. Sounds like May is here to stay, but he'll have to earn it. Right now, May seems ahead of Eaves.

[Doc Holiday 0]

No...

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc and post hoc ergo propter hoc are different, the former meaning 'with this, therefore because of this', the latter meaning 'after this, and therefore because of it.

It is irrelevant.

I don't know latin, but I know that it was a logical fallacy.