dobbles 252 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 you know whats funny? that even without hossa, samuelsson, hudler, and franzen, the wings still managed to score 10 goals in the last 2 games against a couple of the best goalies in the league. its still not our scoring that is the biggest problem. we are still in the top thirs of the league at scoring goals. its just we are almost in the cellar as far as giving up goals. i realize that part of having good offense is it allows you to have the puck more and further limit scoring chances against. but for the most part, the team still needs to get its act together in its own zone. for how much we pay our top 4 defenseman, having this many goals allowed is insane. i know lilja is out, but should losing the 5th dman on the depth chart really be that big of a deal? losing filppula will make it that much harder to win these high scoring games, but the problem with the team isn't forward depth, its getting their head out of their ass in their own zone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 The Wings can pull through this well if they decide to focus on defense. Big if, considering they have shown no signs of doing so to this point. They really have no choice now with Mule and Fil out for an extended time. This team can't allow 3-5 goals per game and expect to win moving forward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb himself 143 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 thanks goodness its only 6 weeks...and I bet he is back earlier than originally reported we will have him back in early December...mark my words but for now we just need to step it up and play like we did in that 3rd period last night...and we will be fine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 thanks goodness its only 6 weeks...and I bet he is back earlier than originally reported we will have him back in early December...mark my words but for now we just need to step it up and play like we did in that 3rd period last night...and we will be fine I would submit that we only looked good in the 3rd cause we had a team sitting on such a huge lead they got lazy. Once it was tied we looked like crap again. Its kinda like how the Lions look good in the 4th quarter because the other team just goes into prevent defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 Those stats for Flip are far from indicative of the quality of his play. He was our best forward for the first 6-8 games. If he had a quality finisher, he'd likely have another 4-6 assists. Most of the goals against have been breakdowns in other areas. That -6 is pretty much just the last two games, not his best, but still he only made a few mistakes. And for every poor play, he's made probably 5-6 good ones. Like Franzen, losing Flip hurts every aspect of this team. Our offense and defense both rely heavily on puck possession and our breakout. Neither have been particularly good, and both will be worse without Flip. The only reasons for optimism is that it's still early, and the past few games I think we are starting to work harder. We're had stretches where we're starting to get things going: Offense the last two, a couple solid games from Howard, some good defense to start the road trip. If we can get them all going at once, we could still win despite the injuries. In regards to LTIR exemption... Players on LTIR still count towards the cap, but you are allowed to add salary over the cap, up to the amount of the injured players total salary while on LTIR, but only while the player is on LTIR. For example, if a team had a player making $10,000 per day miss 50 days, it would allow them to spend over the cap by $500,000 in those 50 days. But if they only spend $300,000 of that, they don't get to keep the rest to use after the player comes back. That's something they should change in the next CBA. It works well for season-ending injuries, but doesn't do much for situations like ours, since we don't have much in GR worth calling up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 I would submit that we only looked good in the 3rd cause we had a team sitting on such a huge lead they got lazy. Once it was tied we looked like crap again. Its kinda like how the Lions look good in the 4th quarter because the other team just goes into prevent defense. That just isn't true at all. We looked just as good, if not better, than the Oil from the tie-game on, with the shootout being the only part in which we stumbled. What game were you watching? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupforwings 138 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 You guys are missing the big picture. Our problems lie within our fundementals. Our team is extremely deep. We can make up for the injuries. We came back in the 3rd lastnight without Fil because we started passing well, firing it on net not around it, puck control somehow improved immencely, puck suppost actually meant something and our boys started finding each other out there. Goaltending can't be fixed but if we limit the oppositions shots the way we did in the 3rd because our huge minutes in the attacking zone I think we will be fine. I'm not expecting a cup this year or a President's Trophy but a solid finish is no out of the question. Fil is a talented player which yes of coure we will miss but to panic the way some people are is unnesecary. We should be missig the presence of an actual number goalie and Lilja more then we do Filppula. Agreed. It is all fundamentals. We were able to come back 3 or 4 goals WITHOUT Filpula because everybody decided to step their game up. Is it going to be harder to win games, Yes. But is our whole year crapped down the drain, No. We have the offense needed to win, and we have the DEFENSEMAN needed to win. Goalie, the ability is there, just getting there is the challenge. It is all a matter of playing the whole game. If we would have played the full 60 yesterday rather than digging an enormous hole in the first, we would have one the game right out. The players have the ability, but its a matter of getting everybody on the same page for the whole game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 I see this as a big stepping stone for Abdelkader. I can see him coming in and really flourishing with some of the extra ice time from Flippula's departure. Either way, we'll see how this team really does perform under unfortunate circumstances. All I know if we make the playoffs there isn't a team in the world that would want to face a low seed healthy Red Wing's lineup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) The game where in the last 2 minutes we gave up a bunch of scoring chances. Lidstrom had to save the day because howard got caught way out of position. Once they started playing to score again they were frustrating the hell out of us. what game were YOU watching? Edited October 30, 2009 by Rick Zombos Ghost Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupforwings 138 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 I see this as a big stepping stone for Abdelkader. I can see him coming in and really flourishing with some of the extra ice time from Flippula's departure. Either way, we'll see how this team really does perform under unfortunate circumstances. All I know if we make the playoffs there isn't a team in the world that would want to face a low seed healthy Red Wing's lineup. 100% agreed... if we are completely healthy by playoff time, any team that plays us will be like F***. We just need to focus on winning enough games to make the playoffs, which I am sure we will do... Then anything can happen... I don't get why nobody thinks we are cup contenders this year. Our team will be feared for good reason come playoff time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted October 30, 2009 Time for Tardif. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motown4013 350 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 It could happen. It's going to be interesting to see what they end up doing. I'm thinking that they might wait until after the road trip to do anything though. I certainly don't think we're screwed. I'm not panicking at all. It's not a good thing to lose a guy like Flip, but it's not a back-breaker either. It's not like we're losing a lot of offense and lately, he hasn't exactly been outstanding defensively lately. What's his plus/minus after this game? -6? I'm hoping not having him in the lineup for awhile will show Babcock how best to use the other guys and when Flip's back, maybe we can get to using him better than we have. To be -6 with 2 goals and six points and apparently be our best player thus far this season proves that something is off. I really disagree with this. Flip should not be judged by points alone...its what he brings every night. If the only thing that counted were stats, Erikkson would be our best D, Pavel a week ago with 2 assists, would be playing on the 4th line and Lids would be on our 3rd line, so lets eliminate that arguement right now. Flip has gotten alot more PK time this year, hence the declined +/-. Besides that, Flip has really improved his game: he is stronger on the puck, plays hard every night, knows how to find an open linemate and he is CONSISTANT. He is always reliable and solid...not great but good. I think this will really hurt us. I hate that ppl measure someones value to the team on stats alone- thats ridiculous. He will be missed and this team will not be as good without him. Heal quick Flip! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 I really disagree with this. Flip should not be judged by points alone...its what he brings every night. If the only thing that counted were stats, Erikkson would be our best D, Pavel a week ago with 2 assists, would be playing on the 4th line and Lids would be on our 3rd line, so lets eliminate that arguement right now. Flip has gotten alot more PK time this year, hence the declined +/-. Besides that, Flip has really improved his game: he is stronger on the puck, plays hard every night, knows how to find an open linemate and he is CONSISTANT. He is always reliable and solid...not great but good. I think this will really hurt us. I hate that ppl measure someones value to the team on stats alone- thats ridiculous. He will be missed and this team will not be as good without him. Heal quick Flip! Goals scored on power plays don't affect the +/- stat for either team. And he really needs to turn up the production (...or will when he gets back). It's definitely a significant loss, but not as significant as it should be. We need our second line centre to put the puck in the net too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 (edited) I really disagree with this. Flip should not be judged by points alone...its what he brings every night. If the only thing that counted were stats, Erikkson would be our best D, Pavel a week ago with 2 assists, would be playing on the 4th line and Lids would be on our 3rd line, so lets eliminate that arguement right now. Flip has gotten alot more PK time this year, hence the declined +/-. Besides that, Flip has really improved his game: he is stronger on the puck, plays hard every night, knows how to find an open linemate and he is CONSISTANT. He is always reliable and solid...not great but good. I think this will really hurt us. I hate that ppl measure someones value to the team on stats alone- thats ridiculous. He will be missed and this team will not be as good without him. Heal quick Flip! Shorthanded goals and powerplay goals don't affect plus/minus. The loss of Flip will hurt a little though. Edited October 31, 2009 by Broken 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 Shorthanded goals and powerplay goals don't affect plus/minus. Shorthanded goals do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 Shorthanded goals do. Yup. My bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 I see this as a big stepping stone for Abdelkader. I can see him coming in and really flourishing with some of the extra ice time from Flippula's departure. Either way, we'll see how this team really does perform under unfortunate circumstances. All I know if we make the playoffs there isn't a team in the world that would want to face a low seed healthy Red Wing's lineup. Agreed. Abdelkader's proved he can score at the AHL level and he's proved he can score in the Cup finals. This is a great chance for him to prove he's a scoring 3rd liner or even a 2nd liner. He should be trying to make it impossible for Holland to send him back down when Franzen returns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 Another blow... Sammy, Hudler, Franzen, and now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted October 31, 2009 (edited) Another blow... Sammy, Hudler, Franzen, and now... ..Hossa, Lilja, Conklin.... Edited October 31, 2009 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 ..Hossa, Lilja, Conklin.... Kopecky...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_Wing 354 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 I really disagree with this. Flip should not be judged by points alone...its what he brings every night. If the only thing that counted were stats, Erikkson would be our best D, Pavel a week ago with 2 assists, would be playing on the 4th line and Lids would be on our 3rd line, so lets eliminate that arguement right now. Flip has gotten alot more PK time this year, hence the declined +/-. Besides that, Flip has really improved his game: he is stronger on the puck, plays hard every night, knows how to find an open linemate and he is CONSISTANT. He is always reliable and solid...not great but good. I think this will really hurt us. I hate that ppl measure someones value to the team on stats alone- thats ridiculous. He will be missed and this team will not be as good without him. Heal quick Flip! Very, very good post. I think you summed it up with one word, consistent. He works hard every night, plays in all situations and plays our puck control style perfectly. He will be missed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 Kopecky...... Nah, screw Koppy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motown4013 350 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 Goals scored on power plays don't affect the +/- stat for either team. And he really needs to turn up the production (...or will when he gets back). It's definitely a significant loss, but not as significant as it should be. We need our second line centre to put the puck in the net too. Yep, sorry about the err, but I think the PK does affect +/- to some degree because you have wasted a shift killing off a penalty instead of being on the offense. Anyway, my bad! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 Just released that Filp does not need surgery, it is a hairline fracture. Babs said that it is looking like it will be closer to 6 weeks. Mlive Article Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted October 31, 2009 Just released that Filp does not need surgery, it is a hairline fracture. Babs said that it is looking like it will be closer to 6 weeks. Mlive Article Well that's good. Hope he doesn't come back too soon and re injures it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
