Realistically, how much will Lidstrom re-sign for?

[Shaman 713]

That's not true..... Zetterberg's salary drops from $7 mil to 3.35 mil in 2018.... unless rule was changed .... don't see how.

NO big deal anway.... here's another:

1st year - 6.5 mil

2nd year - 6 mil

3rd year -3.1 mil

4th year - 1.6 mil

5th year - .850 mil

Salary cap hit per year = $3.61 mil

Well, i know it cant go from 6.5 to 1, I thought it was 50% but it might be different, and if Lids retires in any of those years we are still stuck with part of the cap hit atleast, I believe.

The best way would be

1st year 4.5

2nd year 2.5

For a 3.5 cap hit

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

That's not true..... Zetterberg's salary drops from $7 mil to 3.35 mil in 2018.... unless rule was changed .... don't see how.

NO big deal anway.... here's another:

1st year - 6.5 mil

2nd year - 6 mil

3rd year -3.1 mil

4th year - 1.6 mil

5th year - .850 mil

Salary cap hit per year = $3.61 mil

You wanna debate something.. look it up if you don't know. This post is nothing but a waste of time for you and us.

This won't work either, but I won't bother explaining (maybe it'll get you to look, but I doubt it).

You can start at NHL.com

[Aussie_Wing 354]

I say he resigns for 2-3 years for $3-4mil a season.

Agree with this.

If he signs for more than $5mil I would honestly be disappointed.

[eva unit zero 271]

That's not true..... Zetterberg's salary drops from $7 mil to 3.35 mil in 2018.... unless rule was changed .... don't see how.

NO big deal anway.... here's another:

1st year - 6.5 mil

2nd year - 6 mil

3rd year -3.1 mil

4th year - 1.6 mil

5th year - .850 mil

Salary cap hit per year = $3.61 mil

Well, i know it cant go from 6.5 to 1, I thought it was 50% but it might be different, and if Lids retires in any of those years we are still stuck with part of the cap hit atleast, I believe.

The best way would be

1st year 4.5

2nd year 2.5

For a 3.5 cap hit

You guys are talking about the "100 percent rule" in which the increas between two consecutive years on a player's contract cannot exceed the lower of the first two years of the player's contract, and a decrease cannot be more than 50% of that amount. Zetterberg's deal, for example, does drop from $7m to $3.35m, which is a drop of $3.65m. However, the lower year of his first two seasons is $7.4m, making a drop of up to $3.7m allowed.

An example follows:

1st year: $1.5m, 2nd year: $2m

The third year can be anywhere from $1.25k to $3.5m.

[Icesurfer 75]

You guys are talking about the "100 percent rule" in which the increas between two consecutive years on a player's contract cannot exceed the lower of the first two years of the player's contract, and a decrease cannot be more than 50% of that amount. Zetterberg's deal, for example, does drop from $7m to $3.35m, which is a drop of $3.65m. However, the lower year of his first two seasons is $7.4m, making a drop of up to $3.7m allowed.

An example follows:

1st year: $1.5m, 2nd year: $2m

The third year can be anywhere from $1.25k to $3.5m.

Even better:

1st year = 6.5 mil

2nd year = 6.0 mil

3rd year = 3.0 mil

4th year = 1.0 mil

Salary cap hit per year for 4 years = $4.125 mil (not bad)

can add 5th year at 1.0 mil for cap hit of $3.5 mil

[FinWing 26]

I honestly think he may retire! .. you cant rule it out.

True. If the Red Wings win the Cup this year I think it's even probable he retires. If they don't get the Cup me thinks he'll sign a one-year extension. I have a hard time believing he'll still be around in 2011-12.

[Theophany 110]

True. If the Red Wings win the Cup this year I think it's even probable he retires. If they don't get the Cup me thinks he'll sign a one-year extension. I have a hard time believing he'll still be around in 2011-12.

I have no difficulty in believing it; Lidstrom loves the game and loves the Wings.

The only way he goes out with a Cup is if we win it this year, but I don't think he'll hang them up until he's 45 or so (maybe later).

He's seen how a guy like Chelios can stay in the league until he's practically ancient, and Chelios played a much more physical game than Lids does.

For his contract, I'd say $4-5m is logical, though he may take a discount. Two year deal is probably what both Holland and Lids are thinking.

[mmamolo 287]

I have no difficulty in believing it; Lidstrom loves the game and loves the Wings.

The only way he goes out with a Cup is if we win it this year, but I don't think he'll hang them up until he's 45 or so (maybe later).

He's seen how a guy like Chelios can stay in the league until he's practically ancient, and Chelios played a much more physical game than Lids does.

For his contract, I'd say $4-5m is logical, though he may take a discount. Two year deal is probably what both Holland and Lids are thinking.

What makes you think they are both thinking two year deals? I don't really see how it would benefit Lidstrom. It basically makes him have to commit to two years up front when I hoenstly don't know that he is 100% set on returning even for one. Obviously, if he is eventually going to play two years Holland would want to sign that contract because he'll get cap relief. But I dont know, something seems weird to me

[VM1138 1,921]

Realistically, Lidstrom can still play the game better than anyone. However, there has been a noticeable decline in his offensive ability, and he has been getting injured a bit more frequently than usual over the past 2 seasons. (Still, not very often but compared to his history).

He could get big bucks on the open market but consider this:

He's already made big money in his career, he loves Detroit, he's a smart guy and knows the team is in a bit of a pinch financially and could really use extra cap space.

I see him taking anywhere from 4.5-5.5 million, depending on how many years (1 or 2) the contract is for.

[Shaman 713]

Even better:

1st year = 6.5 mil

2nd year = 6.0 mil

3rd year = 3.0 mil

4th year = 1.0 mil

Salary cap hit per year for 4 years = $4.125 mil (not bad)

can add 5th year at 1.0 mil for cap hit of $3.5 mil

Please quit, they wont sign him for more than 2 years at a time due to the over 35 rule.

[Motown4013 350]

If we wanted to take an educated guess, we know this:

1.Lids has always been a franchise guy so he would not want to go anywhere.... so if he is playing, he is playing in Motown

2. He had always taken a hometown discount and been very fair about it.

3. IMO, I think he takes the hometown discount so that other franchise type guys will take his lead and sign in Detroit and not test the open market because Detroit is a great team to play for.

4. He is not a stupid man- He knows he has lost a step and that he won't play the minutes or be the offensive threat he used to be and he wouldnt ask for more than he thinks he is worth.

I am guessing 2 years for about 4-4.5 a year or in the ballpark. Of course he could get more in another city- edmonton would probably give him 10 mill a year! He doesnt want to anywhere and at this point, its not about the cash.

[sherwood40 16]

I agree with other people on here saying he will shed some money to help get other players in to help win another cup or 2 for him and the team. My guess is $3 mil

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I'm really hoping he'll set somewhere in the 3-4 million range. It'd be some nice cap relief and would allow for some offensive depth.

[Icesurfer 75]

Please quit, they wont sign him for more than 2 years at a time due to the over 35 rule.

The over 35 rule basically states that if a player retires the cap hit still remains for the length of the contract. It is a tradeoff...... in an effort to lower the cap hit for 2 years you are willing to take the same cap hit for 2 more years. If the salary cap rises it takes the sting out of the last 2 years. At any rate I think Lidstrom can play four more years anyway. Over 35 rule does not prohibit you from using the buy-out option the last 2 years anyway.... thus lowering the cap hit... but then it goes for 2 more years. The Wings NEED to take a lower cap hit for the next 2 years because of a possible decline in the salary cap.

If Lidstrom is planning on retiring in 2 years.... then Wings could lower the first 2 years and think of the last 2 years as a "deferred payment". You could get the cap hit down to $2.63 mil for 4 years in the example below..... which I don't think is a big deal ..... and even less if you usee the buy-out option the last 2 years.

These "creatvie contracts" will not be available in the next CBA..... you have to think outside the box.

1st year = 4.0

2nd year = 4.0

3rd year = 2.0

4th year = .55

Edited November 27, 2009 by Icesurfer

[Shaman 713]

The over 35 rule basically states that if a player retires the cap hit still remains for the length of the contract. It is a tradeoff...... in an effort to lower the cap hit for 2 years you are willing to take the same cap hit for 2 more years. If the salary cap rises it takes the sting out of the last 2 years. At any rate I think Lidstrom can play four more years anyway. Over 35 rule does not prohibit you from using the buy-out option the last 2 years anyway.... thus lowering the cap hit... but then it goes for 2 more years. The Wings NEED to take a lower cap hit for the next 2 years because of a possible decline in the salary cap.

If Lidstrom is planning on retiring in 2 years.... then Wings could lower the first 2 years and think of the last 2 years as a "deferred payment". You could get the cap hit down to $2.63 mil for 4 years in the example below..... which I don't think is a big deal ..... and even less if you usee the buy-out option the last 2 years.

These "creatvie contracts" will not be available in the next CBA..... you have to think outside the box.

1st year = 4.0

2nd year = 4.0

3rd year = 2.0

4th year = .55

The wings wont do this, they will only offer him contracts for years he will play for sure, so 2 years is the max, 1 year contracts are more likely. Lids wouldn't sign a contract after 35 unless he was sure he'd play those years, hes going going to shoot the wings in the foot with them having to have millions in cap space for him if hes not playing.

[Icesurfer 75]

The wings wont do this, they will only offer him contracts for years he will play for sure, so 2 years is the max, 1 year contracts are more likely. Lids wouldn't sign a contract after 35 unless he was sure he'd play those years, hes going going to shoot the wings in the foot with them having to have millions in cap space for him if hes not playing.

I figured the buy-out amount for that example for the last 2 years of a four year contract. If you buy-out the last 2 years it is spread over 4 years.... and the amounts counted against the cap is a different amount according to this formula:

Illustration #1: ( THESE ARE NOT THE NUMBERS IN MY EXAMPLE... THIS IS CUT & PASTE FROM THE CBA)

Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4 Year 5

1. Original SPC Amount $4.0M $2.5M $2.5M

2. Original Averaged Amt. $3.0M $3.0M $3.0M

3. Buyout Amount (2/3 of $5M) $1.666M $1.666M (Total = $3.333M)

4. Buyout Amt. Over twice 833,000 $833,000 $833,000 $833,000

Length of original SPC

5. Buyout "Savings" $1.666M $1.666M - -

(Line 1 minus Line 4)

6. Amt. Included in $1.333M $1.333M $833,000 $833,000

Averaged Club Salary

(Line 2 minus Line 5)

1 year would be around $1 mil, the second year would be higher and the 3rd and 4th year would actually be below .500 mil.......THIS IS PEANUTS! Lidstrom would still get a decent salary and it would SAVE the Wings cap space they need for the next 2 years!

If the Wings are not considering it...... they should..... NO CAP SPACE HAS DEVASTATED THIS TEAM!

Edited November 28, 2009 by Icesurfer

[Tane 17]

Is It Time For Lidstrom To Retire?

Was looking at making this a separate thread but, It fits here.

He's Gettign old.

He's already expressed Desire to return home.

It looks like the Red wings are going to need to rebuild/restock in order to make another serious run at the cup.

what else does he have left to do over here in the NHL?

He's already a 1st Ballot Hall Of famer.

He's already considered the 2nd best D-man of all time behind Orr (and there's really nothing he can do at this point to surpass Orr)

His Number Is going heading to the Rafters the Year after he's done playing.

Not to Mention (From wiki)

Awards

Won a World Championship gold medal with Sweden in 1991.

Named to the NHL All-Rookie Team in 1992.

Won a Stanley Cup with the Detroit Red Wings in 1997, 1998, 2002 and 2008.

Selected to the NHL All-Star Game in 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008 and 2009*.

Named to the NHL First All-Star Team in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2008.

Named to the NHL Second All-Star Team in 2009.

Awarded the James Norris Memorial Trophy in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2008.

Awarded the Conn Smythe Trophy in 2002.

Won an Olympic gold medal with Sweden in 2006.

Became member of Triple Gold Club with Olympic win.

Named to the Olympic All-Star Team in 2006.

Won the Viking Award in 2000 and 2006

*did not attend

Records

First European player in NHL awarded the Norris Trophy (2000–01).

First European player in NHL awarded the Conn Smythe Trophy (2001–02).

Fourth defenceman in NHL to win James Norris Memorial Trophy three consecutive times (2001–2003, 2006–2008).

Third defenceman in NHL to win James Norris Memorial Trophy six times.

Detroit Red Wings' franchise record for points in a season for a defenceman, 2005–06 (80).

Detroit Red Wings' franchise record for most post season assists (119).

Detroit Red Wings' franchise record for most post season games played (235).

NHL's 45th player (9th defenceman) to achieve 700 career assists (2007–08).

First captain born and trained in Europe to win the Stanley Cup (2008).

First European-born defenceman to reach 1000 points (2009).

Seriously. He'll Get one More Tournament in the Olympics this season. What else does he really need to play for?

5 cups instead of 4? a 7th Norris (doesn't look like his play is at that caliber anymore)

Not to mention the Knee and Elbow Injuries.

I love nik, but, it may be time for him to move on, Take his place in the Hall, in the Rafters, and on the All time NHL Starting Line up next To Orr.

Best Foreigner Ever, Player of the Decade.

What's left?

[Reilly 24]

I wouldn't bring him back for anything over 3 million.

[AtomicPunk 296]

Honestly...I think he might hang them up.

When you were once the best in the game and you can't do what you used to do anymore, it's gotta be really frustrating. I could see that happening.