Kane,Toews and Keith re-signed

[b.shanafan14 733]

Wow, I leave for an hour and the trolls must have just come a-flooding in. Where were all the 'Hawks fans for the last 20 years or so? I'm in Milwaukee, WI, so there are 'Hawks bandwagoners abound. I hate how a team could seem to have no fans at one point and have one good season and all of a sudden everyone has always believed in them and banged the drum for the mighty Blackhawks, you just couldn't hear them.

[Frozen-Man 144]

This year but Campbell is signed for a long time till 2016 i think.

Yep, $7.14M through the 2015-16 season, I doubt they can move him and that sure isn't the situation Burke was referring to.

[FIBS 35]

Every franchise in sports has bandwagoners. There's nothing anyone can do about it.

[Echolalia 2,961]

The Blackhawks have followed a very similar approach to the cap as the Wings have.

16.735 for the Wings three forwards. (Dats Z Franzen)

17.833 for the Hawks three forwards. (Hossa Kane Towes)

[Tommy_Like_Wingy 25]

I'm pretty impressed Bowman was able to sign all three without having to move anyone yet. Maybe there's hope for them after all.

If worse comes to worst then next season they'll be like we are now.

[Miller Brew 0]

Wow, I leave for an hour and the trolls must have just come a-flooding in. Where were all the 'Hawks fans for the last 20 years or so? I'm in Milwaukee, WI, so there are 'Hawks bandwagoners abound. I hate how a team could seem to have no fans at one point and have one good season and all of a sudden everyone has always believed in them and banged the drum for the mighty Blackhawks, you just couldn't hear them.

True, but in all fairness, we went through a similar situation in the "Dead Thing" era when they gave away cars to get people to the Joe to watch a game. But it's still funny how all these Hawks fans only come to LGWs when their team finally made the playoffs. Or when they signed top players. Lucky for Hawks they sucked so bad to stockpile top picks and prospects and also lucky for the Hawks NHL employed a salary cap and adjusted the rules for teams like Chicago and Pens. If not for the cap, Wings would have Hossa, Hudler and Quincy right now.

The Blackhawks have followed a very similar approach to the cap as the Wings have.

16.735 for the Wings three forwards. (Dats Z Franzen)

17.833 for the Hawks three forwards. (Hossa Kane Towes)

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This proves Holland is a genius. 10x Better players for a million less cap hit. I'll take Z, D and the Franz over their top three any day of the week.

[Guest Lidstromboli]

i'm not so sure that Franzen is much better than the players on chicago's top line

Edited December 3, 2009 by Lidstromboli

[dallas27 7]

This proves Holland is a genius. 10x Better players for a million less cap hit. I'll take Z, D and the Franz over their top three any day of the week.

For the sole reason that Kane and Toews are 8 years younger than Hank and 10 years younger than Datsyuk I'd probably take them. Not saying Hank and Datysuk are past their prime or anything. Just hard to argue with an age difference that drastic.

As to this Chicago - Detroit rivalry bull. There isn't one. IF the Wings were to have a rival it'd be Anaheim. Hell, I'd argue that Pittsburgh is more of a rival than Chicago.

[Theophany 110]

As to this Chicago - Detroit rivalry bull. There isn't one. IF the Wings were to have a rival it'd be Anaheim. Hell, I'd argue that Pittsburgh is more of a rival than Chicago.

Apparently the rivalry can be one-sided, or at least according to some commentators. During the Preds game on VS a week or two ago, one of the commentators said that the Preds and Wings had a rivalry.

The last team we really had a rivalry with was the Avs; we don't have any more real rivalries where the players get amped up and want to slaughter people when they take the ice against the team.

We might have something like that develop against the Hawks in years to come, but both teams don't really have the kinds of players that will make that rivalry anything special.

[FIBS 35]

Apparently the rivalry can be one-sided, or at least according to some commentators. During the Preds game on VS a week or two ago, one of the commentators said that the Preds and Wings had a rivalry.

The last team we really had a rivalry with was the Avs; we don't have any more real rivalries where the players get amped up and want to slaughter people when they take the ice against the team.

We might have something like that develop against the Hawks in years to come, but both teams don't really have the kinds of players that will make that rivalry anything special.

The Hawks and wings have been rivals since the beginning of time. 4 cups in 12 years for the wings and a coincidental simultaneous dead era for the Hawks doesn't change that. I love how you guys think its not a rivalry now that the Hawks are competitive again.

[Jersey Wing 1,521]

Quenneville must shave the Q-Stache as the league considers it income to help get the Hawks under the cap. The stache was appearing in Berwyn and Midlothian at autograph signings which now count as salary

[dallas27 7]

Apparently the rivalry can be one-sided, or at least according to some commentators. During the Preds game on VS a week or two ago, one of the commentators said that the Preds and Wings had a rivalry.

The last team we really had a rivalry with was the Avs; we don't have any more real rivalries where the players get amped up and want to slaughter people when they take the ice against the team.

Absolutely. If I were to see The Turtle walking down the street I don't think I would hesitate to jump him and proclaim my victory in honor of Kris Draper. There was actual ill will towards the Avs, and it made the games infinitely times more significant and entertaining. That's why I said I think Anaheim would be the closest. I freaking hate the Ducks but I respect the way they play and despite how much they scare me, look forward to watching the two teams play. The Avs. There was no respect there. Except for Sakic, he was a hell of a player and is a hell of a guy.

We might have something like that develop against the Hawks in years to come, but both teams don't really have the kinds of players that will make that rivalry anything special.

Agreed. The Hawks better hope they can dress a team that is deep enough to beat the New Jesery Nets before their fans start spewing out nonsense. Yea, two different sports, but the Nets are God awful and I thought it was appropriate analogy for the depth issues the Hawks are going to be facing.

[jollymania 162]

The funny thing is the FIBS name is something mainly Wisconsinites will catch and not all Wisconsinites are even wings fans or on Wings fans from WI on this website, but it is ture you are a FIB if you just troll in another teams forum.

[Theophany 110]

The Hawks and wings have been rivals since the beginning of time. 4 cups in 12 years for the wings and a coincidental simultaneous dead era for the Hawks doesn't change that. I love how you guys think its not a rivalry now that the Hawks are competitive again.

No, rivals indicate a level of equal competition for the same award.

The Hawks have not been on the same level as the Wings since like 1993. They're starting to come back, but make the playoffs and compete with the Wings before you start slinging around a title like 'rival'.

Because right now, you don't even compare to the Ducks, and they're not a rival.

[sureWhyNot 19]

Maybe what Babcock really meant was he loves Versteeg because Wings' plays against him and get gives us a better chance to win. Was Seabrook another one who helped us win by causing turnovers every time he was on the ice? Or was that Barker? I can't remember.

It was Campbell bro. If you are going to throw out an insult - which is a good thing in a debate such as this one - you should really know what you're talking about.

[Miller Brew 0]

i'm not so sure that Franzen is much better than the players on chicago's top line

Really? You'd take 20-cent Kane over Franzen? Franzen owned Kane in the playoffs and last season ended at Kane a -2 while Franzen was +21. Kane scored 25 goals, Franzen had 34.

Zetterberg and Dats don't have any problems shutting down Toews and Hossa. They've "been there, done that".

Zetts > Hossa

Dats > Toews

Mule > Kane

All for a Million less cap hit. I'm not saying Chicago won't be a solid team, but a healthy Red Wings is superior to a healthy hawks. Especially in the playoffs.

[sureWhyNot 19]

i'm not so sure that Franzen is much better than the players on chicago's top line

He isn't.

[Theophany 110]

Really? You'd take 20-cent Kane over Franzen? Franzen owned Kane in the playoffs and last season ended at Kane a -2 while Franzen was +21. Kane scored 25 goals, Franzen had 34.

Zetterberg and Dats don't have any problems shutting down Toews and Hossa. They've "been there, done that".

Zetts > Hossa

Dats > Toews

Mule > Kane

All for a Million less cap hit. I'm not saying Chicago won't be a solid team, but a healthy Red Wings is superior to a healthy hawks. Especially in the playoffs.

I'd easily take Hossa over Franzen. Easily.

[Trapt1307 81]

Zetts > Hossa

Dats > Toews

Mule > Kane

Holy Moly...

No way. Kane may be a ******, but I would take him over Franzen in a heartbeat. Datsyuk vs. Toews is debatable. Datsyuk is a better player right now, but Toews has a much brighter future. I would probably take Toews, to be honest with you. He's their Steve Yzerman.

[dallas27 7]

The Hawks and wings have been rivals since the beginning of time. 4 cups in 12 years for the wings and a coincidental simultaneous dead era for the Hawks doesn't change that. I love how you guys think its not a rivalry now that the Hawks are competitive again.

A) I love that your mother still breast feeds you, I sorta dig that. And I won't judge. Rock on brother.

B) The Montreal Canadiens and the Detroit Cougars / Falcons / Red Wings OR Toronto Maple Leafs have been rivals since the beginning of time. The Habs and Leafs rivalry taking the cake.

C) Correct, the Wings have 4 Stanley Cups in 12 years. This number is greater than what Chicago has in 83 years. I don't quite think you can create a rivalry out of that, other than out of thin air in imagination land. Once the Hawks get to double-digits or are competitive for more than one year, we can rivalry it up. Until then, troll on!

[Miller Brew 0]

It was Campbell bro. If you are going to throw out an insult - which is a good thing in a debate such as this one - you should really know what you're talking about.

Yeah, Blackhawks are pretty much so insignificant to me that I don't really care to keep track of them. I know more about the Sharks or even Nashville than I do about Hawks. Few things I do know is they haven't won anything since '61 and Wings owned them in the WCF last year, their management is a circus... and their coach Q has been owned and known as a Red Wings choker since... well, since he became a head coach.

Who know, maybe Hawks will start to show they are the real deal within the next few years. It's yet to be seen how they handle this insane cap fiasco they have.

[Shaman 713]

Yeah, Blackhawks are pretty much so insignificant to me that I don't really care to keep track of them. I know more about the Sharks or even Nashville than I do about Hawks. Few things I do know is they haven't won anything since '61 and Wings owned them in the WCF last year, their management is a circus... and their coach Q has been owned and known as a Red Wings choker since... well, since he became a head coach.

Who know, maybe Hawks will start to show they are the real deal within the next few years. It's yet to be seen how they handle this insane cap fiasco they have.

this offseason really could be a trainwreck for them, they have no cap space and need 2 fowards and 1 defensemen and have a couple RFAs that will need pay raises this summer. I cant wait.

[Miller Brew 0]

I'd easily take Hossa over Franzen. Easily.

But the question was... would you take Hossa over Zetterberg. No doubt Hossa is a super star. But Zetterberg is a super-star killer.

I'm laughing at the poster (Trapt1307) who said they'd take Kane over Franzen. Glad you're not General Manager of the Red Wings... if so, they'd probably sign Hudler to Ovechkin-type-contract. Franzen > Kane because I like Wings going deep in the playoffs.

[Theophany 110]

Yeah, Blackhawks are pretty much so insignificant to me that I don't really care to keep track of them. I know more about the Sharks or even Nashville than I do about Hawks. Few things I do know is they haven't won anything since '61 and Wings owned them in the WCF last year, their management is a circus... and their coach Q has been owned and known as a Red Wings choker since... well, since he became a head coach.

Who know, maybe Hawks will start to show they are the real deal within the next few years. It's yet to be seen how they handle this insane cap fiasco they have.

They won the West in '92, FYI.

[Theophany 110]

But the question was... would you take Hossa over Zetterberg. No doubt Hossa is a super star. But Zetterberg is a super-star killer.

No, that wasn't the question. The question was 'would you take Franzen over anyone on Chicago's top line'. And my answer is of course I would take Hossa over Franzen. You'd have to be an idiot not to.