Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Umm well, that's the head coach's responsibility. Personally, I think Babcock is highly overrated.I strongly disagree. You rather wan't the typical NHL coach to coach this team? Fat guy, with big moustache, knows nothing about hockey tactically, but can yell loud. I think players respect Babcock because he's such a genius tactically. He doesn't need to scream to get the players play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMAC 25 18 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 I strongly disagree. You rather wan't the typical NHL coach to coach this team? Fat guy, with big moustache, knows nothing about hockey tactically, but can yell loud. I think players respect Babcock because he's such a genius tactically. He doesn't need to scream to get the players play. u must be talking about hitchcock? haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 We can start blaming Babcock when the team starts underachieving without the injuries. Until then he should get the benefit of the doubt for getting us to or past the WCF for 3 straight years. You cannot do any better then that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 We can start blaming Babcock when the team starts underachieving without the injuries. Until then he should get the benefit of the doubt for getting us to or past the WCF for 3 straight years. You cannot do any better then that... actually, you can Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 actually, you can If you want to be a spoiled rotten fan you can. Feel free. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 It's been on a decline since Yzerman left. We've declined in to 3 straight conference finals and back to back SCF berths? Huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Blame Hossa, Hudler, Sammuelsson, Refs, Osgood, Stuart, Howard, Lidstrom, Bertuzzi, Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Refs, Rafalski, Holmstrom, not bringing up Tatar, Holland ... BABCOCK It never gets old. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Umm well, that's the head coach's responsibility. Personally, I think Babcock is highly overrated. I agree. I hope you guys are being sarcastic. Its so hard to tell with all the stupid things said in this forum. Just in case, in his 4 seasons of coaching the Red Wings, the Wings have been at or near the top of the league in the regular season, they have lost in the 1st round, made it to the conference finals, won the Stanley Cup, and lost in game 7 of the Cup finals. He also took the Ducks all the way to the Cup finals his first year in the NHL. So to recap, in 6 years of NHL coaching, he's missed the playoffs once, lost in round one once, made it to the conference finals once, made it to the Cup finals three times and won it once. To say it again, he's coached 6 full seasons. 3 of those seasons he's gotten the team to the Stanley Cup finals. Overrated? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 This just in: Babcock overrated! Wings fans looking to switch for Therrien! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedatsyukian 7 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) Babs is an overrated coach. The team has been slipping defensively for the past few years, despite the recent Cup win. Team Canada will regret picking this guy as their head coach. Umm well, that's the head coach's responsibility. Personally, I think Babcock is highly overrated. I agree. You all sound like spoiled children. Pathetic. To say it again, he's coached 6 full seasons. 3 of those seasons he's gotten the team to the Stanley Cup finals. To add to this he has 4 straight 50+ win seasons. Has the highest winning percentage of any coach in the league who has coached for more than 1 season. Every fan base in the league would drop their coach in a heartbeat to get Babcock. Edited December 5, 2009 by thedatsyukian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clutchngrab 12 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) I'm not saying Babcock is a bad coach. I just don't think he is as great as everyone makes him out to be. He was clearly out-coached in the SF finals last year. Blysma adjusted and Babcock did not. I also believe he has a stubborn streak about line combos when some of them obviously do not work. Let's be honest, with the talent the wings have had over the his reign, there should be success. Sometimes a coach isn't really challenged until things go south like they appear to be this year. So we'll see how things go and if he get an effort out of this team. Edited December 5, 2009 by clutchngrab Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Blame Hossa, Hudler, Sammuelsson, Refs, Osgood, Stuart, Howard, Lidstrom, Bertuzzi, Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Refs, Rafalski, Holmstrom, not bringing up Tatar, Holland ... BABCOCK It never gets old. If the team is playing poorly, it's ultimately Babcock's responsibility to turn it around. That's EXACTLY what he get's paid to do. Find a way to bring the best out of his players. Injuries are not an excuse. Just means he has to work harder to find players and lines that compliment eachother. Worse teams with less talented players have better records right now. That's Babcock's problem. If nobody is ever to blame for anything, then I guess the team is perfect the way it is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 If the team is playing poorly, it's ultimately Babcock's responsibility to turn it around. That's EXACTLY what he get's paid to do. Find a way to bring the best out of his players. Injuries are not an excuse. Just means he has to work harder to find players and lines that compliment eachother. Worse teams with less talented players have better records right now. That's Babcock's problem. If nobody is ever to blame for anything, then I guess the team is perfect the way it is... Oh come on. Look at the top 6. This team is playing to potential. THEY AREN'T VERY GOOD WITHOUT 1/3 OF THEIR TOP SIX AND 2nd DEFENSEMAN. THE GOALTENDING IS THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE. There are some things out of his control. Deal with it. It's not Babcock's fault that the team is playing .500 hockey with the amount of injuries. Temper your expectations, and be happy we have an amazing coach that is one of the most successful young coaches in history. He is doing what he can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) If the team is playing poorly, it's ultimately Babcock's responsibility to turn it around. That's EXACTLY what he get's paid to do. Find a way to bring the best out of his players. Injuries are not an excuse. Just means he has to work harder to find players and lines that compliment eachother. Worse teams with less talented players have better records right now. That's Babcock's problem. If nobody is ever to blame for anything, then I guess the team is perfect the way it is... Yes... lets fire Babcock during a STATED transitional year... We replaced half the team, why not the coach too now! /end sarcasm Edited December 5, 2009 by CaliWingsNut Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 I'm not saying Babcock is a bad coach. I just don't think he is as great as everyone makes him out to be. He was clearly out-coached in the SF finals last year. Blysma adjusted and Babcock did not. I also believe he has a stubborn streak about line combos when some of them obviously do not work. Let's be honest, with the talent the wings have had over the his reign, there should be success. Sometimes a coach isn't really challenged until things go south like they appear to be this year. So we'll see how things go and if he get an effort out of this team. I didn't know Babcock was supposed to score for Datsyuk, Hossa, Hudler, Samuelsson, and stop guys like Malkin, Staal and Talbot. That is a player issue, and if Babcock's players played the way they were supposed to, you wouldn't even be talking about how he was out-coached. What a bunch of garbage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clutchngrab 12 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) ... and if Babcock's players played the way they were supposed to, you wouldn't even be talking about how he was out-coached. Getting players to play the way they are supposed to is precisely the coach's job. Thanks for confirming that. Making adjustments and responding to situations between and during games is another part of the job. The fact of the matter is that games 6 and 7 were lost and the coach bears some responsibility. I guess you can always argue how much, but the SF loss definitely brought Babcock down to earth. Edited December 5, 2009 by clutchngrab Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim 5 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) Babcock has been preaching eversince he was hired here... perhaps worsened so after the 2008 Cup. he spews on Canadian tv about the values of defense and good fundamental hockey. Has he even been watching his own team play?? none of our players will be even close to a Hart trophy this year, so I'd rather see them play solid fundamental TEAM hockey, which they apparently cannot. Edited December 5, 2009 by Grim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Even if he was out coached in the playoffs(which he wasn't.) He still is better than every other coach available beyond Dan Bylsma. This is not the time to blame Babcock. If we miss the playoffs this year, and start the season 0-20 like the New Jersey Net's next year then it's a reasonable time to blame the coach. Pittsburgh was the better team when the Red Wing's were injured. That's all. Stop blaming random things when the Red Wing's lose it makes this whole board look horrible. It's completely ridiculous to insinuate firing Babcock who the hell could we get that's even the same caliber of him? Mike Keenan? ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Holy s***, are people really blaming Babcock for the team losing now? Do you guys realize we're using two third/fourth liners in our top 6 (Leino, Bertuzzi)? Do you also realize that our second best defenseman is out? Do you also realize that Ozzie has played like crap, and Howard is about as consistent as... something really really inconsistent? I really don't understand this forum sometimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 If you want to be a spoiled rotten fan you can. Feel free. wow, touchy, eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 wow, touchy, eh? What else do you call a fan that wants the coach that lead your team to back to back Stanley Cup finals fired? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 What else do you call a fan that wants the coach that lead your team to back to back Stanley Cup finals fired? you kidding? i never said anything about firing babcock. in fact, i haven't said anything about babcock period. i like babcock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 you kidding? i never said anything about firing babcock. in fact, i haven't said anything about babcock period. i like babcock. Wasn't directed towards you then. Don't get touchy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datsyukismyfriend 4 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Don't get touchy likewise Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted December 5, 2009 (edited) Yes... lets fire Babcock during a STATED transitional year... We replaced half the team, why not the coach too now! /end sarcasm Where did I ever say he should be fired? I'll help you... I didn't. But to give Babcock a free pass is just silly. Is he the ONLY reason the Wings are sucking? Of course not. Is he partly to blame? Yep. Sorry. Nobody is perfect bro. To assume that Babcock will just cruise through his career without having to take a long, hard look at himself in the mirror from time to time is pretty naive. No offense. Edited December 5, 2009 by Broken 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
