eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 He's a lot more valuable to the team than Hudler would be. I'll take Hudler over Bertuzzi. A guy who needs Datsyuk to set him up against a guy who makes his own offense ...who is more valuable to a team having trouble scoring? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted December 22, 2009 hudler = worst nhler of all time prove me wrong eva Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 ^^^ The gauntlet has been thrown! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 I'll take Hudler over Bertuzzi. A guy who needs Datsyuk to set him up against a guy who makes his own offense ...who is more valuable to a team having trouble scoring? Evidence Hudler created offense NOW!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 I'll take Hudler over Bertuzzi. A guy who needs Datsyuk to set him up against a guy who makes his own offense ...who is more valuable to a team having trouble scoring? That debate is actually pretty interesting.... And I'm really not sure who I'd choose. Hudler required people to set him up as well as I remember. I will say this: I recall Hudler getting nearly ALL of his goals on the PP, not the case with Bert. I don't recall too many 'Hudler gamechanger' moments, but with Bert, he has had a few this season... might just be a case of selective memory though. Hudler did not have an elite few years like Bert did, even though I fully acknowledge Bert no longer has many of these skills. We know Bert has/had the skills of an elite goal scorer, yet Hudler has never shown this ability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blankrap 9 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 I'll take Hudler over Bertuzzi. A guy who needs Datsyuk to set him up against a guy who makes his own offense ...who is more valuable to a team having trouble scoring? Hudler didn't want to play here remember. Your argument is moot. Oh, and huds wanted a whole lot more than 1.5 mil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casey 145 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 I'm pretty happy. If you look at him at his best (here, at least), he's exactly what Datsyuk needs most at his side. Bertuzzi is a classic power forward- nice shot, pure physical power, good hands. Datsyuk is the quintessential setup man- supreme hands, better than average shot, but limited physical power. Bertuzzi needs a Datsyuk type to flourish, and Datsyuk needs a Bertuzzi type. When healthy, Z or Franzen can both fill Bertuzzi's role. I wonder what will happen with Bertuzzi if he stays next to Datsyuk- could be an excellent season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casey 145 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 I'll take Hudler over Bertuzzi. A guy who needs Datsyuk to set him up against a guy who makes his own offense ...who is more valuable to a team having trouble scoring? When exactly did Hudler "create offense"? 28 of Hudler's 57 points last season came with the man advantage. 8 of his 52 career goals were gamewinners. 13 of his goals were with the man advantage. Zero career shorthanded goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted December 22, 2009 So he's playing better now. Good for him. Get him off the team. ^^This falls into the same category as your "Franzen is a bad skater" comment---namely, it's pretty much senseless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 He's a lot more valuable to the team than Hudler would be. Are you just being a piss ant or do you honestly think: A) Bertuzzi will score more than 26g 57pts this season (lol) B) Hudler wouldn't be posting more than that total anyway given that he's improved considerably every year in the NHL so far Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 When exactly did Hudler "create offense"? 28 of Hudler's 57 points last season came with the man advantage. 8 of his 52 career goals were gamewinners. 13 of his goals were with the man advantage. Zero career shorthanded goals. This just in: Goals on the PP don't count as offense created. Someone call the Caps and tell them Ovechkin's garbage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller Brew 0 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 Are you just being a piss ant or do you honestly think: A) Bertuzzi will score more than 26g 57pts this season (lol) B) Hudler wouldn't be posting more than that total anyway given that he's improved considerably every year in the NHL so far To be fair, Hudler wanted around $3 million and top line minutes. Something Holland couldn't offer at the time. Maybe in 2 years he would like to come back. That said, I think Bertuzzi has been everything and more than we could ever ask of him within his pay scale. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 This just in: Goals on the PP don't count as offense created. Someone call the Caps and tell them Ovechkin's garbage. Not to mention GWG is a meaningless stat and Hudler wouldn't have any SHG since he never played on the PK -- guys like Ovechkin, Crosby, and Kovalchuk are pretty low in that department as well, so who cares? The guy could produce, that's why he was a valuable part of the team for two years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 Not to mention GWG is a meaningless stat and Hudler wouldn't have any SHG since he never played on the PK -- guys like Ovechkin, Crosby, and Kovalchuk are pretty low in that department as well, so who cares? The guy could produce, that's why he was a valuable part of the team for two years. The crazy part is that Bertuzzi's hard working transformation makes me think we should try and get Big Goal Bob back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 To be fair, Hudler wanted around $3 million and top line minutes. Something Holland couldn't offer at the time. Maybe in 2 years he would like to come back. That said, I think Bertuzzi has been everything and more than we could ever ask of him within his pay scale. Agreed. Bert is money right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 You're setting yourself up for disaster. Bertuzzi is a streaky scorer and chances are he's going to go on another extended scoring drought again. Bertuzzi is definitely streaky but right now he heated up at the right time. As players filter back into the line up, if he goes cold, that will be fine. He has done a lot more than score some timely goals for us this season. He has shown no injjury problems as he hasn't missed a game yet, he's skated well, back checked well and created chances. Personally, at $1.5M I don't think there are many better around the league. For a whole nother million dollars, Samuelsson has 2 more points. I only realized that last night, Berts been great all year, hope he keeps it up. Everyone, especially in the media, had a hard on for Samuelsson at the beginning of the season because he started so well. At this stage of the year I'd rather Bertuzzi. The point difference is basicalyl negligable. Samuelsson rarely uses his size to his advantage and at least we don;t have to see those god awful point shots from Samuelsson. We do have to give credit where credit is due though. Samuelsson is on pace for a career year right now in Vancouver. He is on pace for 22 goals and 30 assists. Is that worth $2.5M/yr? I don't know, I guess it depends on who you ask. I'll take Hudler over Bertuzzi. A guy who needs Datsyuk to set him up against a guy who makes his own offense ...who is more valuable to a team having trouble scoring? I dont think that's even really a fair comparison. One makes $1.5M/yr while they other would have a cap hit of $2.85M/yr. One is 34 and the other is 25. One guy is a big(ger) body who can grind it out and also finish with a good set up man while the other is a skilled guy who can produce with few minutes. For me, I've always been a huge Hudler fan from when we drafted him. Last off season sucked the way things worked out. But to compare the two is really tough because they are two entirely different players at two entirely different stages of their careers. The simple fact that Hudler is younger and is continuing to improve would suggest he'd be the easy choice. That being said, would Hudler be excelling if he were on this team and healthy with all of these injuries? I dont know. Look what he did with top line minutes early last year. It's all apples and oranges and a big guessing game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 (edited) I'll take Hudler over Bertuzzi. A guy who needs Datsyuk to set him up against a guy who makes his own offense ...who is more valuable to a team having trouble scoring? You'd take Hudler over -85 Gretzky. edit: I think this team and especially Datsyuk needs Bertuzzi's size to make room for plays. Hudler with Datsyuk would just be spinning around, kinda like two Leinos without Filppula. Edited December 22, 2009 by Finnish Wing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 That debate is actually pretty interesting.... And I'm really not sure who I'd choose. Hudler required people to set him up as well as I remember. I will say this: I recall Hudler getting nearly ALL of his goals on the PP, not the case with Bert. I don't recall too many 'Hudler gamechanger' moments, but with Bert, he has had a few this season... might just be a case of selective memory though. Hudler did not have an elite few years like Bert did, even though I fully acknowledge Bert no longer has many of these skills. We know Bert has/had the skills of an elite goal scorer, yet Hudler has never shown this ability. 17 of Hudler's 23 goals last season were even-strength. You may not recall Hudler "game changer" moments, but they were there. Let's see you bring up some relating to anyone else on the roster from last year's regular season. What's that, you don't remember? Shocking. What Bertuzzi did before Hudler was drafted hardly has bearing on this discussion. Hudler is a better goal scorer than Bert right now, and a hell of a lot better playmaker. Bert's ONLY advantage is size. And for those who brought up salary; If I could trade Bertuzzi+Williams+Lebda for Hudler+Janik, I'd make that deal in a milliscond. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 You'd take Hudler over -85 Gretzky. edit: I think this team and especially Datsyuk needs Bertuzzi's size to make room for plays. Hudler with Datsyuk would just be spinning around, kinda like two Leinos without Filppula. Who said anything about Hudler and Datsyuk on the same line? That's silly, you're putting two very good playmakers who think pass first and shoot second on the same line. But Hudler and Dats both can shoot, so if one were forced into a role of 'shooter' it would work. In the past I have suggested Hudler to play with Franzen and Cleary. Hudler worked well playing as the shooter with Filppula as well. Bertuzzi is no different than Holmstrom; he can finish if his playmaker sets him up well. Hudler is his own playmaker. As for the Gretzky thing, you're nuts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 Last I checked, Hudler is no longer a Red Wing. Bertuzzi is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimaline312000 51 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 I'll be honest ever since the Steve Moore incident I have not been a fan of Bertuzzi at all. When we get him in 06/07 I was somewhat disgusted. Now I have to admit this season he has kinda grown on me. Not really because of his play as of late but just because he really is showing that he cares about being on this team and actually contributing in a postive way for the Wings. I'm glad he is getting the points and I hope he continutes to. So as of this season right now even thoug the Wings aren't doing that great right now I'm happy with Bertuzzi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 Who said anything about Hudler and Datsyuk on the same line? That's silly, you're putting two very good playmakers who think pass first and shoot second on the same line. But Hudler and Dats both can shoot, so if one were forced into a role of 'shooter' it would work. In the past I have suggested Hudler to play with Franzen and Cleary. Hudler worked well playing as the shooter with Filppula as well. Bertuzzi is no different than Holmstrom; he can finish if his playmaker sets him up well. Hudler is his own playmaker. As for the Gretzky thing, you're nuts. Bertuzzi has much better hands, can pass the puck and back check as well. He's also a bigger body than Holmstrom. Holmstrom just stands in front of the goal deflecting pucks. I'm not bashing either guy here, but I don't think they are same kinda players even if they are both "power forwards". I'm glad if Hudler comes back next season, but 3M would be the maximum to pay for him. Cleary-Datsyuk-Zetterberg Franzen-Filppula-Hudler Abdelkader-Helm-Eaves Miller-Draper-TOUGHGUY Doesn't look too bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 ^^^ The gauntlet has been thrown! Sorry to throw the topic off course, but its these little quirps that make HoH one of my favorite posters Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 ill compliment him if he keeps it up for the rest of the season and possibly the playoffs if we maek it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted December 22, 2009 Bertuzzi has much better hands, can pass the puck and back check as well. He's also a bigger body than Holmstrom. Holmstrom just stands in front of the goal deflecting pucks. I'm not bashing either guy here, but I don't think they are same kinda players even if they are both "power forwards". I'm glad if Hudler comes back next season, but 3M would be the maximum to pay for him. Cleary-Datsyuk-Zetterberg Franzen-Filppula-Hudler Abdelkader-Helm-Eaves Miller-Draper-TOUGHGUY Doesn't look too bad. yeah that looks good, and yeah i really hope we keep eaves and miller. theyve been great..weird seeing the lines without homer. i really dont see homer retiring if he keeps the production up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
