Advertising on jerseys

[Theophany 110]

Ridonculous topic! Allow me to elaborate. Absolutely stupid idea. I'll elaborate on that, as well.

Advertising revenue has absolutely nothing to do with the cap. You would still end up with some teams generating all the money (Detroit), and passing it on to suckhole teams (Florida). The cap is there to keep salary levels, teamwise, even across the board. You move more money to other teams, but everybody's income goes up, including players who will want more because the cap is higher.

Just my thoughts....

It wouldn't even have anything to do with the revenue sharing.

It would be due to the fact that agents negotiate their client's contract based on the salary cap and what percentage they can get of it; increasing the salary cap would just increase the amount of money that teams would have to spend each year on guys like Ovechkin, Crosby, Datsyuk, Malkin, etc.

If the salary cap increased, you'd see teams giving guys like Ovechkin contracts for like $14m per year, not getting more talent in on a roster; it's not like the Wings could suddenly go out and get Kovalchuk just because we had an additional $10m to spend.

[Jedi 1,865]

Apparently, there is a disturbance in the force!

The NHL has sold out enough (NBC). Unless this would equate to a significant reduction in ticket, food, merch costs (which it more than likely wouldn't), then this would be an EPIC FAIL. Stop fueling Bettman's ideas. Next thread!

You might have missed my post near the top of page one. I detest this idea. I loathe it. The English language lacks the proper words to describe my hatred for the idea of putting advertisements on the Wings jerseys.

I'm simply pointing out that this isn't an idea that hasn't been mentioned, nor even seriously considered, before.

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

Haha, wow, did my post seriously get nuked? That was the most clever thing I did today! How disappointing.

Let me humor you guys, then: Although I would hate to see this happen, ads are invading more and more of the game all the time. Remember those images they zapped onto the glass at Rangers games? How long until you think that's the norm across the league? On the one hand perhaps the sanctity of the uniform will never be tarnished in American sport, but on the other it seems like it's only a matter of time before everything is plastered with logos in pursuit of the almighty dollar.

[TheUkrainian 49]

I'd be content with an "I'm thinkin Arby's" somewhere on the back of the Jersey or on the Helmet.

I could see Goalie's possibly getting ad's, but I'd rather not see a bunch of Wings jerseys with multicolored patches on the ice.

[Jaymz99 2]

You might have missed my post near the top of page one. I detest this idea. I loathe it. The English language lacks the proper words to describe my hatred for the idea of putting advertisements on the Wings jerseys.

I'm simply pointing out that this isn't an idea that hasn't been mentioned, nor even seriously considered, before.

I was merely making a pun using your screen name. All in good fun. No one, except possibly Jake Ryan, would ever want to see this happen.

[RedWingAbner 13]

First off, you can't just pull #'s out of your ass and assume that is what sponsors would pay.

I'd continue, but this is a Jake Ryan post, and I'd rather discuss hockey with my dog-- at least he knows when to keep his opinions to himself.

[thedisappearer 291]

So if the revenue from selling beer and hot dogs at the rink was raised, the cap will be? No? Just because that goes against the very ******* concept of the cap? DAMMIT.

[Jedi 1,865]

I was merely making a pun using your screen name. All in good fun. No one, except possibly Jake Ryan, would ever want to see this happen.

OOPS. My bad. I read your post wrong!

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Really???????

REALLY?!?!?!?!?!

[Cern 0]

This isn't NASCAR, the KHL, or some other junior league that has to turn their players into skating billboards just to scrape by.

This. If the NHL has to resort to putting ads on jerseys, it's essentially telling the world it has failed as a major-market league.

[joshy207 156]

This. If the NHL has to resort to putting ads on jerseys, it's essentially telling the world it has failed as a major-market league.

So you're saying the English Premier League is a failure? As are all European soccer and hockey leagues?

I do not particularly want to see ads on team jerseys, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in the next 10-20 years. There was a time when the boards were solid white. The only coloring on the ice was the lines and circles. The arenas all had regular (non-corporate sponsor) names. For better or worse, times change.

[mjlegend 155]

So you're saying the English Premier League is a failure? As are all European soccer and hockey leagues?

I do not particularly want to see ads on team jerseys, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in the next 10-20 years. There was a time when the boards were solid white. The only coloring on the ice was the lines and circles. The arenas all had regular (non-corporate sponsor) names. For better or worse, times change.

Generally, the EPL and most European soccer leagues are a failure from a competitive standpoint, even with a couple of decades of jersey sponsorship.

As a consumer who is well aware of what products are available, can I have SOMETHING that doesn't have advertising plastered all over it? What's next, doctors and surgeons with giant Pfizer ads on their scrubs and gloves?

Remember the furor when Grant Fuhr wanted Coke on his pads? OK, that might not have been a Coca Cola advertisement, that may have been something else, so never mind...

[soultrain 43]

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!...jake ryan you have been bad! i hope bettman and his lawyers are monitoring this site...they will steal the idea!

[Cern 0]

So you're saying the English Premier League is a failure? As are all European soccer and hockey leagues?

The EPL *needs* those ads because the amount of tv advertising during soccer broadcasts in England (And Europe in general) is a fraction of what there is for North American leagues. It's not like the NHL is going to remove TV timeouts (or drop ticket prices) if they compensated with jersey advertisements, it would just be yet more commercialisation on top of what is already thoroughly oversaturated as-is. Besides, you build a very slippery slope if you accept it; would you seriously be okay if an advertiser decided to change the Wing's team colours or logo to reflect their interests? Or to essentially eliminate the logo altogether to make room for advertizing space? Or to officially include a product directly into the team name (imagine seeing the 'Little Ceasar's Detroit Red Wings' engraved on the Stanley Cup, or Marty Brodeur winning the Miller Genuine Draft (formerly Vezina) Trophy)? All have happened in European leagues of all kinds; I'm sure the people who first greenlighted it started out saying that it would never become that drastic too. Or maybe fans there are happy to sell out decades of their clubs' history for a quick paycheck, but I'm sure not. f***, we have events like the Winter Classic specifically to celebrate that kind of heritage, allowing those sorts of modifications goes completely against one of the League's major selling points.

Implying that any European hockey league is successful in any kind of global sense compared to the NHL is hilarious btw.

Edited December 23, 2009 by Cern

[Guest mindfly]

All other leagues in others countries have advertising on the jerseys,, YOU SHOULD TOO.

[Seraph 240]

I have a feeling jake ryan throws one of these timebomb posts out onto the board, sits back, sips some burbon, and calls it a good night.

Edited December 23, 2009 by The Nephilim

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

I have a feeling jake ryan throws one of these timebomb posts out onto the board, sits back, sips some burbon, and calls it a good night.

yep, but that's not flaming or baiting. i always thought if i started a topic for debate, it meant i had a belief in the subject that i wanted to discuss and i would actually hang around and discuss it. jersey advertising is known to be a hot topic around here and it seems this thread was for entertainment purposes only. note to self: don't flame the flamer.

[PROBIE4PREZ 58]

"He's got 2 first names."

[joshy207 156]

Generally, the EPL and most European soccer leagues are a failure from a competitive standpoint, even with a couple of decades of jersey sponsorship.

As a consumer who is well aware of what products are available, can I have SOMETHING that doesn't have advertising plastered all over it? What's next, doctors and surgeons with giant Pfizer ads on their scrubs and gloves?

Remember the furor when Grant Fuhr wanted Coke on his pads? OK, that might not have been a Coca Cola advertisement, that may have been something else, so never mind...

I don't know a whole lot about the EPL (and next to nothing about other leagues) but when I hear some of the salaries and transfer fees being thrown about in European soccer, you'd think they have to be doing something right to have that kind of money.

I'm sick of seeing sponsorships everywhere too. You can't have a power play, bowl game, arena, anything without a sponsor's name or logo plastered on it. It is nice to see some things left unspoiled, but the lure of more money is pretty big. Eventually it becomes too much to pass up.

Fuhr... Coke... HAHA!!!

The EPL *needs* those ads because the amount of tv advertising during soccer broadcasts in England (And Europe in general) is a fraction of what there is for North American leagues. It's not like the NHL is going to remove TV timeouts (or drop ticket prices) if they compensated with jersey advertisements, it would just be yet more commercialisation on top of what is already thoroughly oversaturated as-is. Besides, you build a very slippery slope if you accept it; would you seriously be okay if an advertiser decided to change the Wing's team colours or logo to reflect their interests? Or to essentially eliminate the logo altogether to make room for advertizing space? Or to officially include a product directly into the team name (imagine seeing the 'Little Ceasar's Detroit Red Wings' engraved on the Stanley Cup, or Marty Brodeur winning the Miller Genuine Draft (formerly Vezina) Trophy)? All have happened in European leagues of all kinds; I'm sure the people who first greenlighted it started out saying that it would never become that drastic too. Or maybe fans there are happy to sell out decades of their clubs' history for a quick paycheck, but I'm sure not. f***, we have events like the Winter Classic specifically to celebrate that kind of heritage, allowing those sorts of modifications goes completely against one of the League's major selling points.

Implying that any European hockey league is successful in any kind of global sense compared to the NHL is hilarious btw.

I definitely agree, it's oversaturated.

I am not a fan of putting sponsors on jerseys. I wouldn't want to see the corporate entity take over the team's image... but, we've already had a subtle case of that in Vancouver. Their last owner was Orca Bay, and their logo changed from the skate to the killer whale. Karmanos did that with both the Windsor Spitfires and the Detroit Ambassadors in the OHL.

Hey, I hated when the conference and division names were changed from the builders' names to the geographic titles. I thought it was cool, something that helped make the NHL unique. I won't want to see sponsor titles all over every jersey, pair of pants, helmet, socks, trophy, or even the league name. But we've seen ads come to the boards and ice, and corporate names on most North American stadiums and arenas. Even the Winter Classic... a great idea, it generates a lot of interest in the league. But the NHL had never played an outdoor game until the one in Edmonton. It's really about one thing... MONEY. Money rules everything. It is the American way.

I don't want to see sponsors on jerseys, but don't be surprised if/when it happens.