Chris Chelios Arrested

[Broken 16 381]

That's a pretty bold statement to be making. A next-door neighbor of mine was killed by a drunk 15-year old kid on a joy ride and I despise drunk-driving as result. That being said, there's a significant difference between getting blasted and having a single drink during a meal before getting behind the wheel.

This is where we disagree. I've been on both ends of the spectrum. Young and dumb and older and wiser. People underestimate how dangerous driving from point A to point B actually is without any booze involved.

If a single drink impairs you, even slightly, you've just increased the odds of making a mistake on the road and killing/seriously injuring an innocent person. But go ahead... continue to downplay impaired driving. Hopefully nobody takes it to heart and makes a fatal mistake.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Broken 16

[Guest Blackhawkdown]

It's pretty obvious who's life hasn't been affected by a drunk driver. My ex sister in law was hit by an impaired driver. She suffered a head injury and has never been the same. The guy wasn't blasted (I was there, in a different car). He only had a few drinks. He chose to drive that way and now she suffers for the rest of her life because of it. But you're right... driving while impaired is no big deal.

One of my best friends lost his leg because of a drunk driver hitting him, that doesnt mean that I think every last person that gets behind the wheel of a car after having a couple drinks is a douchebag POS. Thats just stupid.

If not you, then I am sure some of your family or friends happen to get behind the wheel after having a drink or two, do you also consider them POS?

I am not trying to condone drinking and driving, I realise it is a very serious problem we have. However, I do live in reality, and reality tells me that a main % of the population like to stop and have themselves a drink or two with dinner, or after a hard days work. These people are not all POS, and the majority of them make sure and dont exceed a safe limit and know what their limits are. And to people saying every last person that gets behind the wheel is a POS douchebag, well you all are ******* idiots.

People who get behind the wheel of a car and are s*** faced, those people are the ones who need to be punished severly, and yes, they are very stupid for doing so.

I also have a friend who was shot to death, that doesnt mean I think all guns should be banned and people shouldnt be allowed to own a gun. It sucks about your Ex Sister in law, thats sad, but that doesnt mean because of one person that everyone else should be held to that same standard.

[Rivalred 630]

I honestly think this thread has went from being about Chelios, to personal views on driving while having consumed alcohol. Can it be moved or something?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

This is where we disagree. I've been on both ends of the spectrum. Young and dumb and older and wiser. People underestimate how dangerous driving from point A to point B actually is without any booze involved.

If a single drink impairs you, even slightly, you've just increased the odds of making a mistake on the road and killing/seriously injuring an innocent person. But go ahead... continue to downplay impaired driving. Hopefully nobody takes it to heart and makes a fatal mistake.

Talk about taking something out of context. I'm most certainly not saying it doesn't impair your ability even slightly....obviously the nature of alcohol does that, but you could say that about so many different things when you add alcohol to the mix.

So I ask you this, are honestly saying you've never once had a single drink while at a restaurant or anywhere else and then gotten behind the wheel?

[Broken 16 381]

One of my best friends lost his leg because of a drunk driver hitting him, that doesnt mean that I think every last person that gets behind the wheel of a car after having a couple drinks is a douchebag POS. Thats just stupid.

If not you, then I am sure some of your family or friends happen to get behind the wheel after having a drink or two, do you also consider them POS?

I am not trying to condone drinking and driving, I realise it is a very serious problem we have. However, I do live in reality, and reality tells me that a main % of the population like to stop and have themselves a drink or two with dinner, or after a hard days work. These people are not all POS, and the majority of them make sure and dont exceed a safe limit and know what their limits are. And to people saying every last person that gets behind the wheel is a POS douchebag, well you all are ******* idiots.

People who get behind the wheel of a car and are s*** faced, those people are the ones who need to be punished severly, and yes, they are very stupid for doing so.

I also have a friend who was shot to death, that doesnt mean I think all guns should be banned and people shouldnt be allowed to own a gun. It sucks about your Ex Sister in law, thats sad, but that doesnt mean because of one person that everyone else should be held to that same standard.

At least someone who is completely blasted is easier to spot on the road. In my opinion, the people who have had only a couple and think they are driving fine are way more dangerous. All it takes is the slightest drop in awareness and you could be toast. Booze does that. Even in small doses.

[DylanMckay 1]

At least someone who is completely blasted is easier to spot on the road. In my opinion, the people who have had only a couple and think they are driving fine are way more dangerous. All it takes is the slightest drop in awareness and you could be toast. Booze does that. Even in small doses.

Texting and talking on the cellphone lowers your awareness too. As does looking down at your GPS or radio and changing the station or directions. Smoking is also distracting as is eating a Big Mac while driving. Should we get rid of everything that lowers your awareness while driving? I say just get rid of Texting and Cell Phone use.

Edited January 6, 2010 by DylanMckay

[Broken 16 381]

Talk about taking something out of context. I'm most certainly not saying it doesn't impair your ability even slightly....obviously the nature of alcohol does that, but you could say that about so many different things when you add alcohol to the mix.

So I ask you this, are honestly saying you've never once had a single drink while at a restaurant or anywhere else and then gotten behind the wheel?

I didn't take anything out of context. You downplayed having one drink and driving like it was no big deal. People do it all the time, so it must not be a big deal. It is. And it's people with that attitude that make it a big deal, because they obviously don't get it. If you (not you personally) wanna get blasted and drive up and down your driveway taking out your own hedges and trash cans, be my guest. But don't get on the road where innocent people are. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I've already stated earlier in this thread that I have definitely made that mistake in the past. I haven't driven with a drink in me in well over 10 years. And never will again. Not even one. The fact that I was a complete idiot in the past doesn't make the point any less valid.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Broken 16

[Broken 16 381]

Texting and talking on the cellphone lowers your awareness too. As does looking down at your GPS or radio and changing the station or directions. Smoking is also distracting as is eating a Big Mac while driving. Should we get rid of everything that lowers your awareness while driving? I say just get rid of Texting and Cell Phone use.

You right. So compound all the other distractions with booze. Great plan.

Besides. Nothing else you listed affects your state of mind. Unless you really, really like Big Macs.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Broken 16

[Konnan511 1,736]

Texting and talking on the cellphone lowers your awareness too. As does looking down at your GPS or radio and changing the station or directions. Smoking is also distracting as is eating a Big Mac while driving. Should we get rid of everything that lowers your awareness while driving? I say just get rid of Texting and Cell Phone use.

I'm wayyyyy more concerned with people who text and drive then someone who left a sports bar after having a drink.

[Broken 16 381]

I'm wayyyyy more concerned with people who text and drive then someone who left a sports bar after having a drink.

Ya... except that the guy leaving the sports bar is probably texting while he's driving too. They should legalize blindfolded driving. Why not? There are a bunch of other distractions anyway. If we add up enough wrongs, maybe they will magically turn into a right.

[Konnan511 1,736]

You right. So compound all the other distractions with booze. Great plan.

Besides. Nothing else you listed affects your state of mind. Unless you really, really like Big Macs.

Have you been to Michigan? I live here and I can certainly say that Big Macs do effect your state of mind with the drivers of Michigan. I refuse to follow behind or be in front of someone who plans on going to Burger King or McDonald. Talk about a danger to your health in more ways than one.

[Reis710 3]

lol

after reading the comments I thought Cheli did something REALLY bad like gun possession/shooting or dog fighting, things only NFL players would do

and then I read the news...

People like you are whats wrong with the world.

Dog Fighting more serious then Drunk Driving?

When it comes to human, who gives a **** about Dogs.

[Inultus 12]

For those that haven't seen it before, I thought this studywas very interesting. Michigan just passed a law about texting while driving.

However, you can't get pulled over just for texting, you have to get pulled over for something else. And if you do get caught texting? Up to $500 and no points.

Hmm, and yet it's more dangerous than being at the legal limit. Interesting how we come up with punishments.

Lastly, texting is way more dangerous than talking on a cell phone, but even talking on a cell phone is more dangerous than being intoxicated behind the wheel. Several studies have confirmed this. I just think it's interesting how we demonize one thing yet allow another.

Kinda like pot and booze.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I didn't take anything out of context. You downplayed having one drink and driving like it was no big deal. People do it all the time, so it must not be a big deal. It is. And it's people with that attitude that make it a big deal, because they obviously don't get it. If you (not you personally) wanna get blasted and drive up and down your driveway taking out your own hedges and trash cans, be my guest. But don't get on the road where innocent people are. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I've already stated earlier in this thread that I have definitely made that mistake in the past. I haven't driven with a drink in me in well over 10 years. And never will again. Not even one. The fact that I was a complete idiot in the past doesn't make the point any less valid.

I'm not downplaying the fact that even one drink will slightly impair your judgment, but IMHO that doesn't make everyone who has a single drink before getting behind the wheel stupid or a POS. You made a mistake in the past, and just because you realize how lucky you are that nothing happened doesn't mean that people that drink responsibly and drive home are in the wrong. If that was the case, every single person that ever got pulled over would get a breathalyzer and charged accordingly.

The point I was trying to make before this thread got derailed was that we don't know what Cheli's BAC was, and until then people need to stop making it out to be that he was s***-wasted and got behind the wheel.

[Konnan511 1,736]

[science]

You and your science. I've seen many of those studies as well, but was too lazy to find any of them.

[Zetts 236]

What's to stop Chris Chelios from just fooling a breathalyzer though?

[cjm502 165]

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[Electrophile 3,554]

s*** happens, nothing to make a huge deal of. People DUI all the fckn time.

s*** happens, nothing to make a huge deal of. People beat their children all the fckn time.

Doesn't make it okay, Sparky.

[Zetts 236]

Hi it's vince from shamwow, you'll be saying wow everytime.

It's like a shammy, it's like a towel, it's like a sponge.

A regular towel doesn't work wet, this works wet or dry.

This is for the house

The Car

The Boat

The RV

Shamwow holds 20 times it's weight in liquid, look at this, it just does the work.

Why do you want to work twice as hard? It doesn't drip, doesn't make a mess, ring it out.

You wash it in the washing machine. Made in Germany, you know the germans always make good stuff.

You can cut it in half, use one as a bathmat, drain your dishes with the other one, use one as a towel.

Olympic divers, they use it as a towel- look at that, completely dry.

Put a wet seater roll it up it dries your sweaters.

Here's some cola, wine, coffee, cola, pet stains.

Not only is your damage going to be on top, there's your mildew.

That is gonna smell, see that.

Now we're gonna do this in real time, look at this, put it on the spill, turn it over without putting any pressure, 50% of the cola...right there you following me camera guy?

The other 50% the color starts to come up no other towels' gonna do that.

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...and this is still more on topic than a lot of posts these days.

[Zetts 236]

Talk about taking something out of context. I'm most certainly not saying it doesn't impair your ability even slightly....obviously the nature of alcohol does that, but you could say that about so many different things when you add alcohol to the mix.

So I ask you this, are honestly saying you've never once had a single drink while at a restaurant or anywhere else and then gotten behind the wheel?

I've never done it either. Not the brightest choice. To me, drunk driving suggests a ridiculous egotism. Essentially, the person doing it feels that saving a bit of time is more important than other people's safety.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Zetts

[Konnan511 1,736]

...and this is still more on topic than a lot of posts these days.

Not really, Vince got caught dealing and doing coke. He probably even drove under the influence of the drug. DUI of Cocaine is much worse than talking on your cellphone while driving.

[Rivalred 630]

[Electrophile 3,554]

Lots of holier than thou people in this thread. I got a DUI after having a little less than 3 beers. How many people go to the bar and drink 2 beers or less. I blew a .82 which was good enough for a DUI and 5k in court costs. Most women who drive while texting scare me more than someone who is assfaced driving late at night.

I am proud to be "holier than thou" when it comes to this particular issue. There's not much I can be holier than thou about since no one's perfect.....but when it comes to this, I sure as s*** can.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

What's to stop Chris Chelios from just fooling a breathalyzer though?

Nicely done! Oh, how I miss sirdrake. Come back, you crazy bastard!

I've never done it either. Not the brightest choice. To me, drunk driving suggests a ridiculous egotism. Essentially, the person doing it feels that saving a bit of time is more important than other people's safety.

Again, I'm not talking about drunk driving, which I'm 100% completely against. I'm talking about driving while under the legal intoxication limit. At this point, we have no idea what Cheli's BAC is, and until then people shouldn't assume he was above 0.08.

[Zetts 236]

Again, I'm not talking about drunk driving, which I'm 100% completely against. I'm talking about driving while under the legal intoxication limit. At this point, we have no idea what Cheli's BAC is, and until then people shouldn't assume he was above 0.08.

It just seems stupid to me to drink at all before you drive. I don't know about other people, but there are days where I can drink like a tank and days when 1 drink will be affecting me. Even being below 0.08 can still lead to someone technically being impaired (and charged, at least where I live). Seems smarter to drive with 0 BAC

It's never been an issue to me one way or the other though. In Alberta you take an initial road test to get your license. A year (or two?) after that, you can take a graduated test, to upgrade your license. The main difference is that with my class of license your BAC has to be essentially 0. Since I've never bothered to upgrade, possibly due to laziness, I've always stuck to a zero BAC when driving. It's really not too hard at all.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Zetts