Could Williams be the one traded by Friday?

[St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422]

You know, at this point, I really don't care who gets shipped off. Seriously, don't care. Something just needs to be done. This team is just BADLY in need of a shake up, as our current lineup is just seriously not meshing well at all.

I agree with this statement. I hate to say this but Zetterberg has been anything but lackluster this year. He's lost a step in his stride. Dunno something needs to happen. Problem is scoring these days for us. Putting the puck in the net. No one can finish! Helm especially (love him to death) and Abs (love him too) would probably still be on the team if he could score. Dunno what's gonna happen. Put your faith in Holland....

[uk_redwing 495]

I like May, and he earns his money but I can't see putting him in over Maltby in almost any situation. Malts more than proved his worth last night on the PK. No, he's not a fighter but he skates better than May; and even when he's not on the PK, he harrasses and throws off the rhythm of opponents. He really defines "role player".

So does May. Other teams looking for fights go after him instead of our other guys, like Winchester last night. He wasnt happy at being a scratch the other night in Dallas so he went out looking for a fight on his first shift. Either that, or he would just run our guys all night to prove his worth.

We have other guys who can play on the PK. We dont have anyone else like May. We only need him dressed against teams like St Loius, Anaheim, Calgary etc. anyway. Thankfully we have a very soft division with Nashville and Chicago being soft as butter and Columbus not being far behind.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

If there's a short term goalie injury and the other guy can't back-up Holland will just call Larsson up. The Wings aren't in the position to pay for a short-term piece to save a season that's already pretty much a loss.

[Guest micah]

I like May, and he earns his money but I can't see putting him in over Maltby in almost any situation.

I can see lots of sutuations where I'd play May over Maltby.

...but I don't forsee many if any of those situations coming up anymore this year. Considering how the Wings have crapped the bed this year, they need all the scoring they can get, and Maltby brings that better than May does. Yes, sitting May in favor of Maltby does come with a greater risk of injury to ourother guys, but it's a gamble the wings have to accept.

I don't see much use for May until we either lock up (or don't) a playoff spot - he would be handy while we're (if we're) coasting out the last couple games of the year. I don't think we will be.

[CMatt89 63]

I am so not understanding this. We had so many of our top players on injured reserve ... didn't that bank any cap relief? Why do we have to ship off an active guy on our roster to give us some breathing room?

At the rate we are going, why don't we do the Ray Bourque noble thing and ask Lidstrom if he wants to go to a contender to try to win one more cup ... Chicago, San Jose with Todd, Washington?

Lidstrom would never want to leave Detroit, how can you even say that? The difference between Bourque and Lidstrom is that Lidstrom doesn't need anymore trophies. Bourque on the otherhand never had a cup and was coming to his final stretch.

Once Holmstrom is back, our top 2 lines can get some chemistry, finally.

Let Maltby play in the playoffs alongside of Filpulla and Miller..even though I don't see Miller doing much after the team is fully healthy it would be a solid dump and chase, back checking line.

Williams is dead space. Sure Holland wants him on the point and for shootouts...but, when he's not scoring (often), he's useless. And with shootouts, he does the same move everytime...he always has and come playoff time.....shootouts are irrelevant. No one is gonna pick him up, i say waive him.

This style of defense they are working with needs to be traded. Obviously 2 poor defensive years isn't enough to start adjusting the system.

Edited February 10, 2010 by CMatt89

[soultrain 43]

so may will be gone and either meech or lebda. probably lebda because his contract is up after this year. i don't know what kind of a pick we can get for him...it would be nice to get a 3rd round pick...i don't see us getting much for him. and everyone is right- williams is not worth s***..meaning NOBODY wants to trade for the guy and he would be a rental anyway. sometimes people can be unrealistic with how much our players are worth, and what teams are willing to give up for our guys.(yes a 3rd rd pick for lebda is unrealistic..guy isn't worth dog s***) the dudes we are willing to give up are the same dudes we won't get s*** for...we can't afford anyone of quality either...unless atlanta wants to trade us afinaganov and his cheap contract, which is not going to happen. if the wings make any moves it will be for draft picks.

Edited February 10, 2010 by soultrain

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

Are we trading him for picks or for Kyle Calder again?

Now that would be some funny s***.

[Buppy 1,720]

I thought it was already clear from the numerous other threads, but I guess not. Here are the cap numbers we're looking at:

We have zero cap space at this time. None at all. We have been over the cap since day 1. LTIR exemption only covers what we have spent over the cap. You can not 'bank' LTIR.

When Lilja is activated we will need to clear $1,195,656 in yearly cap space, and remove at least 1 player.

When totally healthy, the four guys who would probably not be in the lineup are:

Maltby: $883,333

May: $500,000

Lebda: $650,000

Meech: $483,333

That gives us three basic options:

Move Maltby + any one of the other three

Keep Maltby, move all three of the others

Move one or more of the 'regulars' - Either a 'big' move that brings in someone new, or just a straight salary dump, with one of the reserves above moving into the lineup.

That is the situation.

I can't see this team waiving Maltby, nor going with just 6 d-men. So I expect someone to go. I don't think they will get rid of any d-men until we know how Lilja will look. So I would look for either Miller or Williams to move in a salary dump, or Flip to move if Kenny can find a deal for a goal scorer in our price range.

[stevkrause 1,247]

I thought it was already clear from the numerous other threads, but I guess not. Here are the cap numbers we're looking at:

We have zero cap space at this time. None at all. We have been over the cap since day 1. LTIR exemption only covers what we have spent over the cap. You can not 'bank' LTIR.

When Lilja is activated we will need to clear $1,195,656 in yearly cap space, and remove at least 1 player.

When totally healthy, the four guys who would probably not be in the lineup are:

Maltby: $883,333

May: $500,000

Lebda: $650,000

Meech: $483,333

That gives us three basic options:

Move Maltby + any one of the other three

Keep Maltby, move all three of the others

Move one or more of the 'regulars' - Either a 'big' move that brings in someone new, or just a straight salary dump, with one of the reserves above moving into the lineup.

That is the situation.

I can't see this team waiving Maltby, nor going with just 6 d-men. So I expect someone to go. I don't think they will get rid of any d-men until we know how Lilja will look. So I would look for either Miller or Williams to move in a salary dump, or Flip to move if Kenny can find a deal for a goal scorer in our price range.

You forget secret scenario #4 - purposely injure Osgood in practice and put him on LTIR, then kill Lebda (this is just good for the NHL), bring Tim Cheveldae out of retirement as a temporary backup at league minimum

[Stiffy 0]

There are a lot of friendly looking little animals in the avatars here. It's a nice distraction from the depressing nature of the thread.

[cupforwings 138]

Are we trading him for picks or for Kyle Calder again?

Now that would be some funny s***.

It would be like some weird twilight zone episode

[redwingcapt 52]

You like 2 underachieving forwards and Cleary on our second line?

I'd like them to get rid of Lebda or Meech and May instead of get rid of Williams.

i dont see how bertuzzi is an underachieving forward, coming into this year, were you thinking he would be this productive? i wasnt. and for zetterberg, ever since he came back from injury, hasnt he almost been a point per game player?

you my friend, need to think before you type.

and we need MORE offense, not less. lebda or meech, dont let the door hitcha on the way out

[Slave 31]

When does the KHL season end? and *would* it even be possible to get Hudler back for the remainder of the season?

As in..IF we had the cap space could Hudler come back or would there have to be a transfer agreement signed and approval from 29 other GM's and Bettman etc..

[Z and D for the C 712]

i dont see how bertuzzi is an underachieving forward, coming into this year, were you thinking he would be this productive? i wasnt. and for zetterberg, ever since he came back from injury, hasnt he almost been a point per game player?

you my friend, need to think before you type.

You don't need to get all defensive.

Zetterberg shouldn't be just "almost a PPG player" and his 6 goals since he's been back and only 15 on the year isn't good enough for him. He is underachieving.

And okay, you didn't think Bertuzzi was going to produce much. So you have a forward who doesn't produce, an underachiever and and an average player. What does this result in? A second line that doesn't produce.

[funguy21 2]

Here is a crazy idea trade Maltby, Draper, Lebda, Williams, May, and Osgood. That clears 6.7 million Lilja and Abdelkader fill up 1.9 million. that leaves 4.8 million I would get Jussi Jokinen for 1.5 million and the Afinoganov for 800K leaving 2.5 million for a back up goalie and another forward or defense to to make it a 23 man roster. I doesn't have to be Jokinen or Afinoganov but with 4.8 million to work with I am sure we can get a few player that could be better then our current situation. Abdelkader needs to be brought up in this scenario because he can be sent down with out being put on waiver. If we get rid of that many player when we get everybody back we will be sitting tight against the cap so if one of our goalies gets injured we won't be screwed we can send down abdelkader and bring up larsson. Maltby and Draper are being replaced by Miller Helm and Eaves there is no reason why we need 5 people doing the same job its rediculous. William is in for point yet he is playing on our fourth line don't think he is that valuable. Meech is out playing Lebda. Lebda is more cap space so he should go. May will be put on waivers and he won't get picked up. And Osgood is just not good enough. Out with old in with something new. Maltby, Draper, and Osgood have very good playoff careers and could be an asset to a couple of team looking to add some experience and leadership to there team.

[russianswede919293 95]

You don't need to get all defensive.

Zetterberg shouldn't be just "almost a PPG player" and his 6 goals since he's been back and only 15 on the year isn't good enough for him. He is underachieving.

And okay, you didn't think Bertuzzi was going to produce much. So you have a forward who doesn't produce, an underachiever and and an average player. What does this result in? A second line that doesn't produce.

It is the only way to roll 4 lines all with natural centers and not break up the Draper-Helm-Eaves line

Thus your remaining centers are Datsyuk Zetterberg and Filppula. Each center a line.

The other possibilities would involve swapping Bertuzzi and Franzen to be

Bert-Dats-Homer

Franz-Hank-Cleary

Which I am also not opposed to, but I dont think you put either Miller or Williams on a top 2 line, and I don't want to break up Draper-Helm-Eaves

Thus those 6 players are in the top 6 because Filppula needs to center a 3rd scoring line.

EDIT: Also you could call almost any player on this team an underachieving forward so there will be one on every line...

Edited February 10, 2010 by russianswede919293

[Rick Zombos Ghost 82]

i dont see how bertuzzi is an underachieving forward, coming into this year, were you thinking he would be this productive? i wasnt. and for zetterberg, ever since he came back from injury, hasnt he almost been a point per game player?

you my friend, need to think before you type.

and we need MORE offense, not less. lebda or meech, dont let the door hitcha on the way out

i see bertuzzi as underachieving in the sense that he has decided to stop being a 2 way player which he was committed to at the beginning of the year. He has a giveaway every other game that results in a goal. Also for every goal he has scored, he has taken more penalties that resulted in goals against/lost games.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Williams won't be traded. I think.

[Hutts11 3]

Here is a crazy idea trade Maltby, Draper, Lebda, Williams, May, and Osgood. That clears 6.7 million Lilja and Abdelkader fill up 1.9 million. that leaves 4.8 million I would get Jussi Jokinen for 1.5 million and the Afinoganov for 800K leaving 2.5 million for a back up goalie and another forward or defense to to make it a 23 man roster. I doesn't have to be Jokinen or Afinoganov but with 4.8 million to work with I am sure we can get a few player that could be better then our current situation. Abdelkader needs to be brought up in this scenario because he can be sent down with out being put on waiver. If we get rid of that many player when we get everybody back we will be sitting tight against the cap so if one of our goalies gets injured we won't be screwed we can send down abdelkader and bring up larsson. Maltby and Draper are being replaced by Miller Helm and Eaves there is no reason why we need 5 people doing the same job its rediculous. William is in for point yet he is playing on our fourth line don't think he is that valuable. Meech is out playing Lebda. Lebda is more cap space so he should go. May will be put on waivers and he won't get picked up. And Osgood is just not good enough. Out with old in with something new. Maltby, Draper, and Osgood have very good playoff careers and could be an asset to a couple of team looking to add some experience and leadership to there team.

Finally someone I kind of agree with! Instead of putting Lebda in that trade, I would put in Stuart instead, that is if anyone wants him. Stuart has 2 goals, 9 assists, and a -14 on the season, and is getting paid 3.75 million a year, would be nice to see him go personally. To me he turns the puck over in our zone way to much and he seems to be out of position 7 our of 10 times. Just don't know the extent of his contract if he has a NTC in there or not.

And anyone know if Tatar is ready for the NHL level yet? Be sweet to see him with the winged wheel on his chest sooner than later.

[redwashington2000 42]

I think Meech played just as well as Lebs, if not better. Lebda should be out, and I think a bigger deal will be done then just giving up Williams.

Well said, Lebda is a Red Wing by mistake, trade him ASAP

[DangleDangleBeach 16]

I don't understand why people would trade for Williams? Nobody made him an offer over the summer...no one. Why now, for some reason, would other GMs want him? It's not like he's had a stellar year, he's barely played.

totally agree here, if someone in the offseason didn't want him why would they want him now after an injury riddled / unproductive season? (shootout goal last night was tight though)

the loyalty the wings organization have to its players is killing us....

rafalski has taken a step in the wrong direction, dont recall last year him making the amount of mistakes he has this year. with his ntc its unlikely he will be moved but 6 mill a year for him is too funny.

lidstrom started slow, but nick is nick. he is the man but at 8 mill a year he needs to take a paycut or something because we cannot lock up 14 mill to do D over 35 anymore.... its killing us.

cleary, malts, drapes, thanks for everything but these guys could EASILY be replaced by helm, abs, miller eaves, cheaper replacements too

holmer, though a PP specialist is a liability on the 5 on 5. great career, but i feel he will retire soon especially with the amount of time he has been in and out of the line-up the last couple of years.... how long can an individual take that beating he takes? anybody seen how good miller is in front of the net? he is.

lilja, please get another headache.... seems like a nice guy and i feel for him but i dont think my heart can take to see lilja ericcson together, you think jimmy is hung out to dry now? just wait.

ozzie.... well.... what can i really say? we cant even give jimmy a night off anymore, we need another young goalie, halak would be great with jimmy.

i could keep going but ill stop there.... this team needs to take a step in the younger direction... being loyal only gets you so far.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

Well said, Lebda is a Red Wing by mistake, trade him ASAP

Or as someone suggested earlier, a possible mole working for the Blackhawks.

[DangleDangleBeach 16]

Or as someone suggested earlier, a possible mole working for the Blackhawks.

lebda manning the 2nd pp unit last night made me cringe and grind my teeth...

[Z and D for the C 712]

It is the only way to roll 4 lines all with natural centers and not break up the Draper-Helm-Eaves line

Thus your remaining centers are Datsyuk Zetterberg and Filppula. Each center a line.

The other possibilities would involve swapping Bertuzzi and Franzen to be

Bert-Dats-Homer

Franz-Hank-Cleary

Which I am also not opposed to, but I dont think you put either Miller or Williams on a top 2 line, and I don't want to break up Draper-Helm-Eaves

Thus those 6 players are in the top 6 because Filppula needs to center a 3rd scoring line.

EDIT: Also you could call almost any player on this team an underachieving forward so there will be one on every line...

Zetterberg Datsyuk homer

Franzen Filppula Bertuzzi

Cleary Williams Miller

Helm Draper Eaves

Williams and Miller are natural centers, or at the least we could trade for one. You could also switch Bert and Clears.

Edited February 10, 2010 by Z and D for the C

[hooon 1,089]

It is the only way to roll 4 lines all with natural centers and not break up the Draper-Helm-Eaves line

Thus your remaining centers are Datsyuk Zetterberg and Filppula. Each center a line.

The other possibilities would involve swapping Bertuzzi and Franzen to be

Bert-Dats-Homer

Franz-Hank-Cleary

Which I am also not opposed to, but I dont think you put either Miller or Williams on a top 2 line, and I don't want to break up Draper-Helm-Eaves

Thus those 6 players are in the top 6 because Filppula needs to center a 3rd scoring line.

EDIT: Also you could call almost any player on this team an underachieving forward so there will be one on every line...

I actually think its time to break up the Helm-Draper-Eaves line. They have been good and hardworking, but I would much rather see Draper back on the 4th and Helm centering the 3rd. Breaking up this line just gives us so many more options for line combos.