Brandon Dubinsky calling Sidney Crosby a little baby

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

I'm not disagreeing just because of the thread. It's pretty safe to say I've been a Crosby fan for a long time...

We know, Gary.

[BuckeyeWingsfan80 209]

I agree. I kind of like it.

Hell Crysby isn't even the best player on his TEAM.

When Malkin is playing to his potential he's better and he usually does it without all of the whiny look-at-me bulls*** that crysby pulls.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

The amount of pissing and moaning this board displays over Crosby and the Penguins rivals only that of the Kid himself.

Wahhh wahhhh wahhh

[Guest scottj]

ya we got it... hating on crosby haters is the in thing now

good

[Stiffy 0]

The amount of pissing and moaning this board displays over Crosby and the Penguins rivals only that of the Kid himself.

Wahhh wahhhh wahhh

Excellent observation and perhaps one of those Star Trek-esque discoveries of a time-space paradox applied to hockey! If we criticize Crosby, we become more like him and what we criticize...

[Electrophile 3,554]

Excellent observation and perhaps one of those Star Trek-esque discoveries of a time-space paradox applied to hockey! If we criticize Crosby, we become more like him and what we criticize...

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." - Nietzsche

[Guest zackmorris]

I've never quite understood the "don't complain about complainers" thing. Someoen like Crosby whines because he's spoiled, doesn't get his way and throws fits. We point out ("whine about") his behavior because we know the very core of right and wrong and to what degree is debatable, but his actions are wrong. So we're not allowed to mention that? Hell with that, they're totally different reasons. Just just seem similar, that's all.

Edited February 14, 2010 by zackmorris

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Crosby whines. It is irritating and annoying. I originally thought that people were nuts overly complaining about him, but I was wrong. He gets too much attention to start, like Tim Tebow in football, Lebron or Kobe in the NBA, and so forth. But also there's just something about him when you shudder or you just don't want to be around. He's one of the better guys in the game right now on the ice, but acts like a sour little kid way too much sometimes. That and the attention he gets, often unnecessary attention where it's like saying "Crosby can turn water into wine!!!", is absolutely stupid. It's not surprised he sin't all that liked not just by Wings fans, but plenty fans around the league.

[tdinc 45]

epic

[sputman 1,268]

Lemieux always seemed to be very much a "Waaah! I'm taking my puck and going home!" kind of guy when I watched him.

I've told this story enough times, but it bears another telling... There was one game I watched (pre-Crosby, IIRC) where the Pens were getting absolutely destroyed. Score was 7-1 or something like that in the 2nd period. Lemieux takes a face-off...then skates off the ice and leaves down the runway toward the dressing room. Didn't explain to anyone why he left. Broadcasters were confused. Coaches and teammates had no idea why he had left. Broadcasters watched replays of the faceoff, thinking he may have gotten swatted or something, but there was nothing. Then they theorized an equipment problem. But they asked downstairs and nope, no equipment problem either. Lemieux just didn't come back to finish the game. And he was fine next game, no injuries or anything. He just didn't want to play anymore in a blowout and basically threw a silent hissy fit by leaving the game and letting his teammates suffer the embarrassing loss.

It's situations like that which leave me no doubt as to why Crosby is the whiner he is today - he was taught by one of the best.

i remember that! that was nuts, indeed.

[dicksmack 33]

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." - Nietzsche

Quoting Nietzsche always comes across as a bit pretentious but damn if that aint a dynamite quote!

BTW, I love it Brandon...

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

i'm by no means comparing this crosby guy to the likes of gretzky or lemieux. i wonder, though, if they were as spoiled and act as consistently childish in their day as crosby? they were both super hyped (though i suppose in a different world without the internet) and expected to do great things. i'm 34, so i've seen a fair share of gretzky/lemieux games, but i don't remember anything at the level of crosby's sense of entitlement and self-righteousness (especially right out of the gate during his rookie year). any thoughts from the older posters?

I'm not some crazed Crosby defender but I would love to know where you get the idea that he is self entitled... or even a whiner.

Some of you guys have serious issues with just one player.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I'm not some crazed Crosby defender but I would love to know where you get the idea that he is self entitled... or even a whiner.

Some of you guys have serious issues with just one player.

When an NHLer says he is a baby, when he is voted by NHLers of being the biggest whiner out there, when he gets so much over the top attention to where it annoys the hell out of people. What other proof do you need?

I used to be right there with you in thought. But the attention he gets is absurd. I'm not jealous of him, I already know he is one of the best in the game presently. But he complains and is irritating too much, and like Tim Tebow in college football, Brett Farve in the NFL, or Lebron James and Kobe Bryant in the NBA, he gets talked about way too damned much where it's like they are creating miracles out there instead of just talking about them as athletes. There are other people out on the ice/playing surface as well.

[ZataforCaptain 0]

I agree. I kind of like it.

Me too. Ovechkin plays dirty sometimes, and no doubt if he hurt one of our players we'd call for blood......just like we did when Claudia ran Draper into the boards. That though, is a very different feeling from the one most people get when they think of Crosby. The first one is normal, revenge filled ire that rages until the subject (Claudia) is beaten to a pulp by a Red Wing warrior (McCarty) in a fair fight. Revenge was won when the subject turned into a turtle, and that was that. Hockey stuff.

Crosby is another story. Somehow the whiny/baby/wha wha/me me me/I know it all even though I'm 2 yrs old stuff is way more irritating and more difficult to remedy. Don't asky me why it's more irritating, it just is. Of course it's not rational. Why would one be more P'd off at a baby than a bully? I don't know. Maybe it's the fact that we can't just punch the baby in the face even though we really really want to. We can't fight back cause the baby doesn't even know how to fight.

Anyhoo, this Ranger guy has it right

[Wingseroo 0]

Truth? Do you know how petty a little stick after a face off is?

There are much worse things going on in the game, having the best player in the league show a little emotion is far from a travesty.

I have never seen Ovechkin accused of not playing with emotion... Oh wait, you were calling the guy that is the 2nd best player on his team the best player in the league... I get it...

[EuroTwin 240]

Hilarious. As was the clip of of the incident that precipitated the remark. I love how Crosby just sort of lightly taps Dubinsky and then skates away all nonchalant and quickly, like some kind of five year old in the car. "I didn't touch youuuuuu!"

Even if you don't agree with what Dubinsky had to say, you have to appreciate him speaking his mind. Situations like these usually just create more competative situations. I like seeing the players speak more honestly.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

When an NHLer says he is a baby, when he is voted by NHLers of being the biggest whiner out there, when he gets so much over the top attention to where it annoys the hell out of people. What other proof do you need?

I used to be right there with you in thought. But the attention he gets is absurd. I'm not jealous of him, I already know he is one of the best in the game presently. But he complains and is irritating too much, and like Tim Tebow in college football, Brett Farve in the NFL, or Lebron James and Kobe Bryant in the NBA, he gets talked about way too damned much where it's like they are creating miracles out there instead of just talking about them as athletes. There are other people out on the ice/playing surface as well.

The bold has nothing to do with what Crosby does. Also, the "whining" angle is ridiculously overblown.

[Zetts 236]

The whining angle did get old. Personally, I just hate him because he stole the cup from the Red Wings. I hate him quite a bit for it actually.

Sadly, I'll have to put that on hold for a couple of weeks for the Olympics.

[Guest zackmorris]

The bold has nothing to do with what Crosby does. Also, the "whining" angle is ridiculously overblown.

He was voted by his peers as the biggest whiner in hockey.

His peers.

Seriously.

He ******* enough that we all see it and I'm sure there are times and things that we can't see from the TV screen where he does it even more. Just look at his choice of words as well. He'll ignore anyone who outshined him like it didn't happen. He complains they should've won the Cup in 08 when all they got was league help and still failed. He just displays the mentality of a 14 year old.

Edited February 14, 2010 by zackmorris

[StevieY'sguy 1]

You missed that part in your "picking apart" of my reply. You're welcome.

I dunno what it is about fans like you, but you and I, we're not professionals. It's not our job to be modest and full of s*** and classy.

The league changes the rules to help Pittsburgh. They could interfere and hook and hold all game and we got called for anything. If you didn't see it then I'm sorry but you don't know hockey. Bettman being upset when we won? "Tightening" the rules to favor Pittsburgh? No suspension to Malkin? Gill and Orpik interfering for 7 straight games? Wake the f*** up.

No, it wasn't.

You want to explain to us how someone elses s***ty actions somehow negate Crosby's s***ty attitude?

This isn't a topic about any other player and their behavior doesn't give Sid an automatic pass just because he didn't do anything as bad as they did. He's still a s***ty role model. Maybe the next time I spear a guy because I'm throwing a temper tantrum, I'll just turn around and say "well at least I didn't put a hit out on someone" and I'll get off the hook.

And I don't give a f*** if he's 22. At 22 plenty of young men have grown up far more than Sid has. That's also not a valid excuse.

I wouldn't want my kid looking up to a guy who whines to any stripe who will listen when the simplest of things doesn't go his way. I stopped doing that when I was around 10 years old and my children will too. I don't want them looking up to a man who spears other players because he's pissed off, takes cheap shots at others or throws fits or ditches handshakes because he's a f***in coward. I'm a Red Wing fan partially because we don't have players like that. We have role models. Kids are sponges-do you want to be the father of the boy who sticks players in the crotch when he's upset and acts like a poor winner? I don't. Then again some of us grow up a little faster and aren't coddled little pieces of s***. I don't my kid to turn into a diver, a whiner,

BTW, next time you want to "pick my reply apart" try doing it with logic.

You're living in denial. But then again you're the local yokel who keeps digging his hole even deeper. It's not just the one stick, or any one specific thing, it's the collection of actions since day one.

And STFU about Ovie. This isn't an Ovie thread. That's a good debate waiting to happen, just so long as you can't stick your face into it.

Scott's right. You just want to be different. The more people that rag on Crosby, the more people who will pop out of nowhere and go against the grain just to be different.

Oh we don't have players like that?? Kirk Maltby (when he actually played more that 6-7 minutes a game) was renowned around the league for cheap shotting people, whining and running his mouth but refusing to drop the gloves..he was the essence of a coward but because he plays for the Red Wings, it's filed under something other than that right? Yea you're right the Wings are all role models, no dirty players whatsoever...ask Steve Moore what his opinion is of Todd Bertuzzi, you'll be able to find him at home, cuz he sure as hell isn't playing hockey anymore thanks to one of our "role model" Red Wings....I'm not going to get into a full on debate with you because judging by your profanity-laced post your probably rather low on the sophistication scale and will just start making up more nonsensical excuses and barbaric comments...I'm a Red Wings fan too but the only difference between us is that i can admit that my team CHOKED when they had an oppurtunity to win another Cup and you can't; end of story.

[Guest zackmorris]

Oh we don't have players like that?? Kirk Maltby (when he actually played more that 6-7 minutes a game) was renowned around the league for cheap shotting people, whining and running his mouth but refusing to drop the gloves..he was the essence of a coward but because he plays for the Red Wings, it's filed under something other than that right?

If you've been a Wings fan for more than approximately 5 minutes you'd know how Maltby is different.

Yea you're right the Wings are all role models, no dirty players whatsoever...ask Steve Moore what his opinion is of Todd Bertuzzi, you'll be able to find him at home, cuz he sure as hell isn't playing hockey anymore thanks to one of our "role model" Red Wings....

Todd Bertuzzi didn't do that in a Wings jersey. He hasn't done anything close to that while he was with us. Hell if you want to get technical, Bertuzzi wasn't even the one that did the damage, it was the ton of mass jumping on top of him afterward. But that doesn't even matter, he didn't do it as a Wing and has been a stand up person here.

I'm not going to get into a full on debate with you because judging by your profanity-laced post your probably rather low on the sophistication scale and will just start making up more nonsensical excuses and barbaric comments...

Oh no! I swear! That means I'm some sort of troglodytic cromag, and anything I say should automatically be shrugged off as lunacy or stupidity. Do you have any idea how arrogant you sound? I curse casually but I'm not the one stretching my argument with Maltby and Bertuzzi. I've actually never been a huge fan of Maltby's style of play but he's nowhere near what Crosby is doing, that's obvious. I'm positive you'll pretend it's not just to argue some more though.

I'm a Red Wings fan too but the only difference between us is that i can admit that my team CHOKED when they had an oppurtunity to win another Cup and you can't; end of story.

No actually the difference between us is I provided reasons why we were screwed. You avoided it and feel you have to do what too many posters on here do and ignore anything that might indicate this league is far from fair.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

He was voted by his peers as the biggest whiner in hockey.

His peers.

Seriously.

Okay, well for starters I'm sure his peers get as much of the stereotype in their heads as you and I do when asked that question. Especially considering his first year in the NHL was a diving, pissed off whine-fest (and with all the media attention those actions were put under the microscope). But at the same time Iginla was considered the best leader in the league when that poll was made, despite his teams lack of success during his career. Reputation is key.

He ******* enough that we all see it and I'm sure there are times and things that we can't see from the TV screen where he does it even more. Just look at his choice of words as well. He'll ignore anyone who outshined him like it didn't happen. He complains they should've won the Cup in 08 when all they got was league help and still failed. He just displays the mentality of a 14 year old.

When did all of this happen?

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

Oh we don't have players like that?? Kirk Maltby (when he actually played more that 6-7 minutes a game) was renowned around the league for cheap shotting people, whining and running his mouth but refusing to drop the gloves..he was the essence of a coward but because he plays for the Red Wings, it's filed under something other than that right? Yea you're right the Wings are all role models, no dirty players whatsoever...ask Steve Moore what his opinion is of Todd Bertuzzi, you'll be able to find him at home, cuz he sure as hell isn't playing hockey anymore thanks to one of our "role model" Red Wings....I'm not going to get into a full on debate with you because judging by your profanity-laced post your probably rather low on the sophistication scale and will just start making up more nonsensical excuses and barbaric comments...I'm a Red Wings fan too but the only difference between us is that i can admit that my team CHOKED when they had an oppurtunity to win another Cup and you can't; end of story.

Good thing Maltby has never once been the face of this franchise or the league then eh?

[edicius 3,269]

Apparently it's also news when Crosby winces after blocking a shot.

TSN:

Cal O'Reilly and Martin Erat scored in the shootout and the Nashville Predators beat the Pittsburgh Penguins 4-3 on Sunday -- a game in which Penguins and Team Canada star Sidney Crosby was seen wincing shortly after blocking a shot.

OH NOES! HE WINCED!!!

[StevieY'sguy 1]

If you've been a Wings fan for more than approximately 5 minutes you'd know how Maltby is different.

Todd Bertuzzi didn't do that in a Wings jersey. He hasn't done anything close to that while he was with us. Hell if you want to get technical, Bertuzzi wasn't even the one that did the damage, it was the ton of mass jumping on top of him afterward. But that doesn't even matter, he didn't do it as a Wing and has been a stand up person here.

Oh no! I swear! That means I'm some sort of troglodytic cromag, and anything I say should automatically be shrugged off as lunacy or stupidity. Do you have any idea how arrogant you sound? I curse casually but I'm not the one stretching my argument with Maltby and Bertuzzi. I've actually never been a huge fan of Maltby's style of play but he's nowhere near what Crosby is doing, that's obvious. I'm positive you'll pretend it's not just to argue some more though.

No actually the difference between us is I provided reasons why we were screwed. You avoided it and feel you have to do what too many posters on here do and ignore anything that might indicate this league is far from fair.

O.J. Simpson didn't murder those people when he was playing for the Buffalo Bills either but i doubt they'll be giving him a citizenship award for his time there anytime soon. I like how you show zero support or explanation of how Maltby is "different".... He's "nowhere near Crosby's style of play"? this is getting to be ridiculously overboard, if you want to talk about superstars that play cheap hockey then talk about Ovechkin he is the one who has delivered knees and other cheap hits that have made other players miss time, Crosby hasn't. As far as the league not being fair, maybe it is, maybe it isn't but alot of things in life aren't fair so I'm not going to let whining about it ruin my objective view of hockey...all I'm saying is if they Wings could have shut down MAX TALBOT in game 7 last June then they would've hoisted the Cup again even amidst all of these "biased factors" or whatever you like to cal them....but the bottom line is they couldn't and they didn't so let's move on