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Ok, here are some problems with your argument

1. Cost, Downie even as an RFA is in store for a big raise.

2. Production, A peewee kid is good for 20 goals on a line with Stakmos and St Louis, if we pick up Downie how can you know his production will be anywhere near the levels its at now if hes not playing with that level talent?

3. He didn't take a discount? His production was better than Flip's but he took less money, he could have probably gotten 3.2 million if you base his contract on flips the year before.

And here are some problems with yours.

1. That big raise wouldn't be that huge and we have alot of money coming off the cap this year, its possible.

2. You guys keep saying he plays with Stamkos and St louis ALL the time. He doesn't, he plays 14 minutes a night, I'm pretty sure Stamkos and St louis play more then that. I used to be a Sarnia Sting Season ticket holder while Stamkos was there so I make a special point to watch Tampa games and no he doesn't always play with these guys. St. Louis bumps around alot on different lines and the 14 a night Downie plays shows he's not always playing with those guys.

3. He wouldn't take a discount so he took the wings to arbitration. The arbitrator didn't give him the money he wanted because he thought he should get more so he flew off to Russia.

4. Hudler got most of his points playing with talent like St louis and Stamkos. Hudler was a PP specialist playing on the PP with guys like Dats, Z and Franzen, youre bound to get points then.

5. Huds is small and soft. He's also slow. Downie is a big body, hits fights and has already put up as many goals as Hudler ever did and Downie is only in his second full season.

After watching the flyers run around constantly at our team today we could use a guy like Downie to run around at other teams, throw them off their game(see carcillo on homer) and still produce. Theres way to much undeserved love for Hudler on this board. Yes he would be good with Hossa's body and blah blah I've heard that enough. Fact of the matter is he doesn't have that body so if you could get a guy like Downie for him, why wouldn't you?

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And here are some problems with yours.

1. That big raise wouldn't be that huge and we have alot of money coming off the cap this year, its possible.

2. You guys keep saying he plays with Stamkos and St louis ALL the time. He doesn't, he plays 14 minutes a night, I'm pretty sure Stamkos and St louis play more then that. I used to be a Sarnia Sting Season ticket holder while Stamkos was there so I make a special point to watch Tampa games and no he doesn't always play with these guys. St. Louis bumps around alot on different lines and the 14 a night Downie plays shows he's not always playing with those guys.

3. He wouldn't take a discount so he took the wings to arbitration. The arbitrator didn't give him the money he wanted because he thought he should get more so he flew off to Russia.

4. Hudler got most of his points playing with talent like St louis and Stamkos. Hudler was a PP specialist playing on the PP with guys like Dats, Z and Franzen, youre bound to get points then.

5. Huds is small and soft. He's also slow. Downie is a big body, hits fights and has already put up as many goals as Hudler ever did and Downie is only in his second full season.

After watching the flyers run around constantly at our team today we could use a guy like Downie to run around at other teams, throw them off their game(see carcillo on homer) and still produce. Theres way to much undeserved love for Hudler on this board. Yes he would be good with Hossa's body and blah blah I've heard that enough. Fact of the matter is he doesn't have that body so if you could get a guy like Downie for him, why wouldn't you?

Didn't Hudler go to arbitration because he thought he could get more money, but also because he didn't want to play anywhere in the NHL except for Detroit? I remember in the summer the whole thing reeked of a plot to keep Hudler under contract but have him play somewhere else at a high level because of salary cap concerns.

Also Hudler got less than half of his points on the PP.

Downie is also the league leader in minor penalties, and has 206 PIM on the year, and while I know this shows grit and all that, it is a liability at the same time.

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Didn't Hudler go to arbitration because he thought he could get more money, but also because he didn't want to play anywhere in the NHL except for Detroit? I remember in the summer the whole thing reeked of a plot to keep Hudler under contract but have him play somewhere else at a high level because of salary cap concerns.

Also Hudler got less than half of his points on the PP.

Downie is also the league leader in minor penalties, and has 206 PIM on the year, and while I know this shows grit and all that, it is a liability at the same time.

What I got from it was that he was awarded money from the arbitrator that was fair but thought that he was worth more so he took off on the team when they coulda used his scoring.

Our team is the least penalized in the league(I'm pretty sure)and more times then not Downie is taking someone with him. Sure he's a little over the edge sometimes but Carcillo was over the edge all game today and never caused his team to be penalized. Why shouldn't we have someone like that knocking the opposition off their game? He's like a hybrid of prime Maltby(the agitator) and Mccarty(the fighter) but he has more offensive ability and is only going to get better as he gets older. Downie could become a consistent 30 goal scorer in this league easily as well as a physical force.

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Still was teh case though. He skipped out because he wanted more money when in the end we really needed his scoring badly.

Once again, if the team was healthy they wouldn't have needed it. Franzen, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Filpulla, and Kronwall should be plenty of offense for a team to be competitive. Hudler is not to blame for half the team being injured this season.

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Once again, if the team was healthy they wouldn't have needed it. Franzen, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Filpulla, and Kronwall should be plenty of offense for a team to be competitive. Hudler is not to blame for half the team being injured this season.

Yeah but in the end we were injured half the season. If he woulda taken the offer from Kenny we would've had scoring depth for when they all got injured. Instead h e didn't take it and handcuffed Kenny so that we ended up with Jason Williams as our scoring depth. Thank Hudler for that.

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Haven't the Wings been scoring at like a 3.3 G/G rate since all of the injured guys have come back (Franzen most importantly)? That would be 2nd in the NHL, even if they weren't quite at that rate all season, it would probably be good enough without Hudler.

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Once again, if the team was healthy they wouldn't have needed it. Franzen, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Filpulla, and Kronwall should be plenty of offense for a team to be competitive. Hudler is not to blame for half the team being injured this season.

The amount of goals that we were losing from Hossa, sammy, kopecky, and hudler were a large drop off though. But if we had huddler we might not have found eaves and millers skills. I love these two guys and they seem like they could help a ton in grinding playoff conditions.

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Yeah but in the end we were injured half the season. If he woulda taken the offer from Kenny we would've had scoring depth for when they all got injured. Instead h e didn't take it and handcuffed Kenny so that we ended up with Jason Williams as our scoring depth. Thank Hudler for that.

Can we thank Samuelsson and Hossa for not taking lower salaries to play for the Wings? Are players always at fault when the teams they recently played for cannot pay them the money they believe they deserve?

Edited by Doc Holliday

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Can we thank Samuelsson and Hossa for not taking lower salaries to play for the Wings? Are players always at fault when the teams they recently played for cannot pay them the money they believe they deserve?

Hossa was a rental and most knew that so no I wouldn't blame him really. Samuelson didn't take us to arbitration and handcuff us from signing a legit scorer but Hudler who we drafted and became the player he is in our system took us to arbitration and left on bad terms while he was an RFA. SO he is more to blame then the other 2.

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Can we thank Samuelsson and Hossa for not taking lower salaries to play for the Wings? Are players always at fault when the teams they recently played for cannot pay them the money they believe they deserve?

From what i read about Hossa, he was not even offered 4 million. You can't expect someone of his caliber to accept that kind of deal.

But a trade for him might get him back in a winged wheel.ph34r.gif

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Hossa was a rental and most knew that so no I wouldn't blame him really. Samuelson didn't take us to arbitration and handcuff us from signing a legit scorer but Hudler who we drafted and became the player he is in our system took us to arbitration and left on bad terms while he was an RFA. SO he is more to blame then the other 2.

And I suppose Hudler being Wings' property when he comes back has no bearing on your opinion of the arbitration then.

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And I suppose Hudler being Wings' property when he comes back has no bearing on your opinion of the arbitration then.

Him coming back as wings property doesn't have any bearing at all because being wings property he should've played for their team. He was an RFA so yes he is wings property just like every other RFA on their teams. Difference is that most of them don't fly to Russia because they want more money.

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Still was teh case though. He skipped out because he wanted more money when in the end we really needed his scoring badly.

Hmm. I can't help but notice how you are arguing that we SHOULDN'T bring Hudler back because he won't help the team, using the fact that his absence this season noticeably hurt the Wings as a reason to keep Hudler out.

You are possibly the most logic-deprived member of this forum.

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Hmm. I can't help but notice how you are arguing that we SHOULDN'T bring Hudler back because he won't help the team, using the fact that his absence this season noticeably hurt the Wings as a reason to keep Hudler out.

You are possibly the most logic-deprived member of this forum.

No I'm arguing that if he was brought back and traded for Downie that it would help the team more because we wouldn't have soft, little Hudler who deserves more money playing on our team.

You are possibly the worst reader on this forum. Either that or since we're talking about a soft, little euro you chose to ignore what was said earlier in the thread.

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No I'm arguing that if he was brought back and traded for Downie that it would help the team more because we wouldn't have soft, little Hudler who deserves more money playing on our team.

You are possibly the worst reader on this forum. Either that or since we're talking about a soft, little euro you chose to ignore what was said earlier in the thread.

29 other NHL teams are looking for those tough and hard Canadians. Fact is there aren't many out there worth a damn, and we've proven our emphasis on skill and puck handling over size and toughness is the smarter one.

Because 29 other teams are looking for the Downie type, as an RFA/UFA he'll fetch more. Hudler, like him or not has shown he can give us above average 3rd line production for significantly cheaper than it would be to go out and bid with 29 other teams for a Downie. Not saying it wouldn't be nice, but Hudler is the safe option and with due respect, why waste time and resources looking for a player when we've already drafted and developed one.

Always always always try to keep your draftees first. Yzerman said it beautifully some years ago on the logic of developing a drafted core and then only dipping into free agency to supplement.

Hudler knows the Detroit system and players, knows what's expected and we've already sunk years of development into him. Yes he's small, but we could find toughguys in free agency if need be. We're not gonna score a Getzlaf there or in the draft because of drafting so low, but we could use ancillary scoring and another 2nd PP option which we'll get with Huds.

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29 other NHL teams are looking for those tough and hard Canadians. Fact is there aren't many out there worth a damn, and we've proven our emphasis on skill and puck handling over size and toughness is the smarter one.

Because 29 other teams are looking for the Downie type, as an RFA/UFA he'll fetch more. Hudler, like him or not has shown he can give us above average 3rd line production for significantly cheaper than it would be to go out and bid with 29 other teams for a Downie. Not saying it wouldn't be nice, but Hudler is the safe option and with due respect, why waste time and resources looking for a player when we've already drafted and developed one.

Always always always try to keep your draftees first. Yzerman said it beautifully some years ago on the logic of developing a drafted core and then only dipping into free agency to supplement.

Hudler knows the Detroit system and players, knows what's expected and we've already sunk years of development into him. Yes he's small, but we could find toughguys in free agency if need be. We're not gonna score a Getzlaf there or in the draft because of drafting so low, but we could use ancillary scoring and another 2nd PP option which we'll get with Huds.

It may be hard to come by but a player like that is worth looking for. Hollands job isn't supposed to be easy so why shouldn't he go looking for a trade like that? Its something that he could look into, I'm not saying it would happen at all. What I'm saying is that it would be better for this team to get a player like that.

The thing about Huds knowing the system, this year our third and fourth lines are playing a dump and chase style game which is more NA style and wouldn't suit Hudler. He won't be playing with Flip and Sammy again here, it'll be with high energy, hard forecheck to get scoring chances type guys liek Eaves, Helm or Abdelkader. Youre also forgetting the fact that Hudler knows Dynamo's system really well because he skipped out on his team this year. I would love to see him traded when he gets back, he could bring back a big return and possibly bring in some elements this team has been missing.

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Hossa was a rental and most knew that so no I wouldn't blame him really. Samuelson didn't take us to arbitration and handcuff us from signing a legit scorer but Hudler who we drafted and became the player he is in our system took us to arbitration and left on bad terms while he was an RFA. SO he is more to blame then the other 2.

If Hudler left on such BAD terms, why is Holland so hot to get him to come back, and why did Babcock talk to him about coming back while at the Olympics? Samuelson let it be known that he had made up his mind well before the end of the season to leave because, "Holland was not interested in resigning him but was focused on Franzen and Hossa." So basicly he told the Wings the same thing as he told the Swedish Olympic team, f*** YOU and who can blame him. He was ignored just like Hudler, neither player was important to Holland. Tell us how you would turn down 5 Million a year to work for 2.85..

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Wait, when did Downie become anything more than a thug with good linemates?

The man has had one good season, in any league, other than that he has been okay, while breaking rules, bones, teammates faces, and getting severe suspensions.

He has a Hart finalist and a potential future HOFer on his line, and that is just St Louis.

And BTW I love the he only gets 14 minutes and Stamkos and St Louis get more argument, he must play with other lines. UMM NO!

That means his line plays with another winger half of the time.

Why could that be? Could it be like Cheechoo and Michalek and many many others, he is making a living off of their linemates?

NO, it has to be because Downie is so good, that playing him anything more than 15 minutes would be illegal, actually I read some where that the league told Tampa, if he reaches the 15 mpg average Tampa has to forfeit all of their games!

Here is the reason for this thread, LGW gets a boner for enforcers, Downie is a goon, who due to his linemates is productive. Seriously, next season I want to be on St. Louis and Stamkos line, I will play for free, and I guarantee you I score 10+ just by listening to Mickey and stopping at the net with my stick on the ice.

BTW I suck at Hockey.

The other reason, LGW gets a boner for Canadians, and Downie being a Canadien thug who probably shouldn't even be allowed in the league anymore, gets LGW a raging hard on.

Don't blame me those are just the facts!

I mean the guy puts up Sammy/Hudler numbers and is a god, while those guys were scrubs, hmmm could that be because they are not Canadian, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRITTTTTT!

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