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Agreed. Now if he looked like this...

BrockSamson.jpg

...even better. You just know that Brock Samson would have been the greatest enforcer ever & he already has the hockey hair for the role.

Or this brock.jpg

or this brock.jpg

or this. 241154-47400-eddie-brock_super.jpg

Seems like all guys named Brock are badasses.

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I DON'T CARE HOW KENNY DOESN IT BUT KABANOV IS GUNNA BE A STAR, GET HIM ON BOARD. ALSO NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THE OTHER MICHIGAN LAD I PAIRED WITH WATSON, Jared Knight OF THE LONDON KNIGHTS. COULD BE

A GOOD SOLID 3RD LINE PLAYER DOWN THE LINE.

Yeah just like he was a star in Moncton this year.... :rolleyes:

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the lad has some issues,but he was a point a game for the Wildcats before his actions let him down. I just think he'll be worth the risk, Smith has had his problems but he's gunna be a big player for the Wings in a year or two. Kabanov is a raw talent in a big frame, if we get the chance to draft him we should.

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TSN Final Draft Rankings Top 75

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=24944

I would be happy if the Wings can get one these players of in order:

Mcilrath

Watson

Bjugstad

Howden

Merill

If the wings hold on to their pick I think there's a real good chance we end up (hopefully) with one of these guys. Interestingly, kabanov is at 43, could he possibly fall to the wings for their second pick? Probably not. In the second round I like Zucker and Martindale, maybe one of them will be around with the 52nd pick.

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I don't get all the early 1st round love for Dylan McIlrath.

Pros:

He's definitely an intriguing shut-down prospect. He's got some of the best physical tools in the entire draft (aside from skating). He's a great fighter and a strong defender. He's got a hard slapshot from the point.

Cons:

He doesn't have the offensive tools to dominate the WHL by any stretch of the imagination. If you can't dominate the WHL your odds of doing well in the NHL (offensively) are low. His skating is average.

This kid's offensive upside is very limited. Take Brad Stuart for example. He was a top 5 pick and a scoring star in junior. Now he's a shutdown guy who can play on the PP in a pinch.

Why would you draft a guy like McIlrath in the top 15? He projects as a big body shutdown defenseman. Ok, cool. The Wings took one of those from LA for a 2nd round and a 4th round pick. Hal Gill has been floating around the league as a FA for a while. Lilja is probably not even going to be re-signed by the Wings. These players are valued by GM's but their full value is often measured by what offense the put up on the side.

In my mind, early to mid first round picks are better spent on players with more upside. McIlrath just doesn't seem like a Wings 1st rounder to me. His upside is too limited. The Wings demand strong offensive play from their top defenders. I'd love to see this kid in a Wings uniform but he doesn't feel like a 21st overall pick to me unless scouts are seeing some untapped offensive potential that they aren't mentioning in the scouting reports I'm seeing online.

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Skinner put up a lot of points but hes tiny.

Yeah just like he was a star in Moncton this year.... :rolleyes:

Do you understand scouting at all? Guys who are huge and have elite talent will always go higher in the draft.

Let's break every kid down into three categories:

1. Talent

2. Size/Physical tools

3. Mental tools (hockey sense, attitude, etc)

If you're the Detroit Red Wings and you've yet to pick higher than 19th overall in 20 years you have to sacrifice something. So let's look at what you sacrifice:

Size:

If you sacrifice size you can still get away with it because, well, we all know how big Yzerman, Datsyuk and Zetterberg are. And that's not bigger than 5'11. Kane is a midget and is slight as well. He's weighs as much as a wet cat. He seems to have done ok for himself.

Examples: Skinner, Grandlund, Tarasenko, Weal

Talent:

You can sacrifice talent and draft a kid who's got great physical and mental tools but has a lower ceiling for growth. Will this get you a Cup winning team? I'm not sure, I only know that the last option (sacrificing size) can win you a Cup. I do know that these kids could get bigger and stronger but you can't teach talent so you have to hope the scouts missed something there.

Examples: McIlrath, Tinordi

Mental Tools:

Ok, so what if there's a kid who has the talent and size but might not have the drive or attitude? Or maybe the player has a low hockey IQ (McFarland for example). Well you have to bank on the fact that their attitude problems are a maturity issue and that that will come with time, or that they just need a strong system to help them get on track. These kids are either home-runs or busts.

Examples: Kabanov (attitude), McFarland (hockey IQ)

What do you do? The Wings aren't picking in the top 15 so realistically you have to sacrifice something. Talent is the one thing you just can't sacrifice in my opinion because you can't teach it or significantly overcome a lack of it with hard work.

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Let the Draft day extravaganza begin!

News, views, and reactions to NHL Draft 2010.

ahh, I didn't see the other one had already started. Do as you please...

It was buried haha. This one has a better look and sound to it. All this aside I cannot wait until tonight.

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It was buried haha. This one has a better look and sound to it. All this aside I cannot wait until tonight.

Yup. gotta stare at the clock until 3:30 and then i'm running out the door at work, firing up the BBQ and placing my ass ever so precicely in the ass groove on my couch. here's to hoping for McIllrath in the 1st round!

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For sure, it's funny how excited we get for the 21st pick. Imagine if we had a top 5 pick, LGW would resemble Toronto the day they get to the second round again.

Too bad my cable just went out past channel 24. Probably gonna camp out over my in-laws, NHL network in HD. So I can see the Wings select anyone other than Dylan McIlrath in stunning detail! (JK, guys who already have McIlrath sewn on the back of their jerseys...)

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For sure, it's funny how excited we get for the 21st pick. Imagine if we had a top 5 pick, LGW would resemble Toronto the day they get to the second round again.

Too bad my cable just went out past channel 24. Probably gonna camp out over my in-laws, NHL network in HD. So I can see the Wings select anyone other than Dylan McIlrath in stunning detail! (JK, guys who already have McIlrath sewn on the back of their jerseys...)

+1. I lol'd about the McIlrath part

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Woo, I'm ready to see some off season action!

I dunno what's more fun; speculating on how well a draftee will do, or speculating on how well a traded player will do.

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I read the Red Wings draft history today, from about 1989 till present. Its actually pretty painful between '92 and '97.

1997

Rnd Pick

2 23 1997-49 DET Yuri Butsayev RUS 6' 0" 195 Russia Tolyatti Lada

3 23 1997-76 DET Petr Sykora C CZE 6' 3" 206 Czech Pardubice HC

4 22 1997-102 DET Quintin Laing CAN 6' 3" 193 WHL Kelowna Rockets

5 23 1997-129 DET John Wikstrom SWE 6' 3" 200 SEL Lulea HF

6 23 1997-157 DET B.J. Young R CAN 5' 10" 178 WHL Red Deer Rebels

7 25 1997-186 DET Mike Laceby C CAN 6' 1" 180 OHL Kingston Frontenacs

8 23 1997-213 DET Steve Wilejto C CAN 5' 11" 178 WHL Prince Albert Raiders

9 22 1997-239 DET Greg Willers D CAN 6' 1" 195 OHL Kingston Frontenacs

1996

Rnd Pick Overall Team Player Pos Country Ht Wt Amateur League Amateur Team

1 26 1996-26 DET Jesse Wallin D CAN 6' 2" 203 WHL Red Deer Rebels

2 26 1996-52 DET Aren Miller G CAN 6' 2" 208 WHL Spokane Chiefs

4 28 1996-108 DET Johan Forsander L SWE 6' 1" 174 SEL HV71 Jonkoping

5 27 1996-135 DET Michal Podolka G CZE 5' 11" 146 OHL Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds

6 9 1996-144 DET Magnus Nilsson L SWE 6' 1" 187 Sweden Vita Hasten

6 27 1996-162 DET Alexandre Jacques C CAN 5' 11" 165 QMJHL Shawinigan Cataractes

7 27 1996-189 DET Colin Beardsmore C CAN 6' 1" 194 OHL North Bay Centennials

8 26 1996-215 DET Craig Stahl R CAN 5' 10" 193 WHL Tri-City Americans

9 26 1996-241 DET Evgeniy Afanasiev L RUS 6' 2" 180 Midget Detroit

1995

Rnd Pick Overall Team Player Pos Country Ht Wt Amateur League Amateur Team

1 26 1995-26 DET Maxim Kuznetsov RUS 6' 5" 230 Russia Moscow Dynamo

2 26 1995-52 DET Philippe Audet L CAN 6' 1" 175 QMJHL Granby Bisons

3 6 1995-58 DET Darryl Laplante C CAN 6' 0" 185 WHL Moose Jaw Warriors

4 26 1995-104 DET Anatoly Ustugov L RUS Russia Yaroslavl Torpedo

5 21 1995-125 DET Chad Wilchynski D CAN 6' 3" 179 WHL Regina Pats

5 22 1995-126 DET David Arsenault G DEU 6' 1" 165 QMJHL Drummondville Voltigeurs

6 26 1995-156 DET Tyler Perry C CAN 6' 0" 175 WHL Seattle Thunderbirds

7 26 1995-182 DET Per Eklund L SWE 5' 11" 194 SEL Djurgardens IF Stockholm

8 26 1995-208 DET Andrei Samokvalov RUS 5' 11" 169 Russia Ust-Kamenogorsk

9 26 1995-234 DET David Engblom C SWE 6' 1" 183 Sweden Vallentuna

1994

Rnd Pick Overall Team Player Pos Country Ht Wt Amateur League Amateur Team

1 23 1994-23 DET Yan Golubovsky D RUS 6' 3" 205 Russia CSKA Moscow

2 23 1994-49 DET Mathieu Dandenault CAN 6' 0" 208 QMJHL Sherbrooke Faucons

3 23 1994-75 DET Sean Gillam D CAN 6' 1" 187 WHL Spokane Chiefs

5 10 1994-114 DET Frederic Deschenes CAN 5' 9" 164 QMJHL Granby Bisons

5 23 1994-127 DET Doug Battaglia L CAN 6' 0" 185 CJHL Brockville Braves

6 23 1994-153 DET Pavel Agarkov R RUS 5' 11" 167 Russia Krylja Sovetov

8 23 1994-205 DET Jason Elliott G CAN 6' 2" 183 RMJHL Kimberley

9 23 1994-231 DET Jeff Mikesch C USA 6' 0" 175 NCAA Michigan Tech

10 23 1994-257 DET Tomas Holmstrom SWE 6' 0" 198 Sweden Bodens BK

11 23 1994-283 DET Toivo Suursoo R EST 5' 10" 176 Russia Krylja Sovetov

1993

Rnd Pick Overall Team Player Pos Country Ht Wt Amateur League Amateur Team

1 22 1993-22 DET Anders Eriksson D SWE 6 ' 3" 224 SEL Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik

2 22 1993-48 DET Jonathan Coleman USA 6' 1" 190 Mass. Phillips Academy

3 22 1993-74 DET Kevin Hilton C USA 5' 11" 170 NCAA U. of Michigan

4 19 1993-97 DET John Jakopin D CAN 6' 5" 239 MTJHL St. Michael's H.S.

4 22 1993-100 DET Benoit Larose D CAN 6' 0" 194 QMJHL Laval Titan

5 22 1993-126 DET Norm Maracle G CAN 5' 9" 175 WHL Saskatoon Blades

6 22 1993-152 DET Tim Spitzig R CAN 6' 0" 195 OHL Kitchener Rangers

7 22 1993-178 DET Yuri Yeresko D RUS 5' 11" 178 Russia CSKA Moscow

8 22 1993-204 DET Viteslav Skuta D CZE 6' 0" 198 Czech Vitkovice HC

9 22 1993-230 DET Ryan Shanahan R USA 6' 0" 161 OHL Sudbury Wolves

10 22 1993-256 DET James Kosecki G USA 6' 1" 170 Mass. Berkshire H.S.

11 22 1993-282 DET Gordon Hunt C USA 6' 5" 200 NAHL Detroit Compuware

1992

Rnd Pick Overall Team Player Pos Country Ht Wt Amateur League Amateur Team

1 22 1992-22 DET Curtis Bowen L CAN 6' 1" 189 OHL Ottawa 67's

2 22 1992-46 DET Darren McCarty R CAN 6' 1" 210 OHL Belleville Bulls

3 22 1992-70 DET Sylvain Cloutier C CAN 6' 0" 195 OHL Guelph Storm

5 22 1992-118 DET Mike Sullivan C USA 6' 1" 190 Mass. Reading H.S.

6 22 1992-142 DET Jason MacDonald CAN 5' 11" 205 OHL Owen Sound Platers

7 22 1992-166 DET Greg Scott G CAN 6' 2" 191 OHL Niagara Falls Thunder

8 15 1992-183 DET Justin Krall D USA 6' 2" 170 USHL Omaha Lancers

8 21 1992-189 DET C.J Denomme CAN 5' 11" 180 OHL Kitchener Rangers

9 22 1992-214 DET Jeff Walker D CAN 6' 4" 190 OHL Peterborough Petes

10 22 1992-238 DET Daniel Mcgillis CAN 6' 3" 220 COJHL Hawkesbury

11 22 1992-262 DET Ryan Bach G CAN 6' 1" 180 SJHL Notre Dame

This is rough.

2 22 1992-46 DET Darren McCarty

1 22 1993-22 DET Anders Eriksson

5 22 1993-126 DET Norm Maracle

2 23 1994-49 DET Mathieu Dandenault

10 23 1994-257 DET Tomas Holmstrom

These guys, i think, are the only ones to have more than a cup of coffee on the main stage.

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TSR top 100

http://www.thescoutingreport.org/tsr-2010-nhl-draft-final-rankings-top-1-25/

premium scouting top 100 , this one is interesting, some guys are ranked pretty low, while other are quite high

http://premiumscouting.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=3

The premium scouting list is pretty old by the looks of it.

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