redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Millers deal is worth 650,000 this yeartwitter link really good deal for miller and it may make him very attractive to many teams if he were to be traded at some point. 1 mjlegend reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 yeah I got baited there and actually thought he was serious but for the record abby,helm,eaces,flip,dats.z,cleary are all just as good if not better then miller defensively. that is all. Defensive forward meaning player who plays the best in the defensive role (IE 3/4th line) so that takes out Flip, Dats, Z, Cleary. Helm has great speed but, I still think Miller is better, Eaves is better offensively.. but if you watched last year, it was close but i think Miller did a better job. Abby... I really can't say hes not been in the NHL long enough to judge how good he truly is. If I were to say the best forward bar none for defensive play it would be Z or D no question. I should have clarified my point that I was talking about the bottom 6 players. 1. He doesn't He's a poor man's Patty Eaves. Eaves outclasses Miller in every field imaginable. 2. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula, Cleary Helm, etc... for fun. Well lets look at the stats Miller had a better +/- 3 less points more gwg, and only played 1 more game than Eaves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 1. He doesn't He's a poor man's Patty Eaves. Eaves outclasses Miller in every field imaginable. Like PP goals? Game winning goals? +/-? Oh wait... Miller was better than Eaves in all those categories. But hey-- Eaves had 3 more points last year so he's head and shoulders above Miller! Only on LGW can a guy score 10g/19pts, be 3rd most used forward on the PK ice, have 3 GW goals (tied with Datsyuk) and be put down as a poor man's Eaves. Is Eaves better? Sure, although one could argue they're about even. Your post makes it sounds like people are comparing Cleary to Datsyuk. 3 Skeptikal, 55fan and dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yzefan 2 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Awesome, Miller did well on the PK. Hopefully he can pitch in like this more often Since when is a highlight PACKAGE one goal?? Rather have eaves!! 1 HankthaTank reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Can't complain about the cap hit at all, but the forward logjam is kind of ridiculous. It would be if we were in mid October right now. Holland isn't going to be carrying 3 spare forwards when the season opens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Millers deal is worth 650,000 this year twitter link Makes it a little easier to swallow. Patty Eaves next. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyphoenix 153 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Eaves is overrated on here. Sure he's a good player, but I don't think he outperformed Miller in any way last year. I'd say they finished about even. Both were integral parts of our PK last year. 4 miller76, Skeptikal, HockeytownRay and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 miller before eaves? whattt 1 redwingfan19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Eaves is overrated on here. Sure he's a good player, but I don't think he outperformed Miller in any way last year. I'd say they finished about even. Both were integral parts of our PK last year. Eaves: 22 Points 128 Hits, 44 Blocked Shots 2 Fights 2:16 PK Time On Ice Per Game Miller: 19 Points 97 Hits, 47 Blocked Shots 0 Fights 1:49 PK Time On Ice Per Game I'll take the first guy, thanks. Not to mention that Eaves possesses better hockey sense and a much better shot than Miller as well. I'm fine with the Miller signing, but Eaves is definitely the better player in my eyes. 1 redwingfan19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 miller before eaves? whattt Because Holland decides who signs the contract first right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Eaves: 22 Points 128 Hits, 44 Blocked Shots 2 Fights 2:16 PK Time On Ice Per Game Miller: 19 Points 97 Hits, 47 Blocked Shots 0 Fights 1:49 PK Time On Ice Per Game I'll take the first guy, thanks. Not to mention that Eaves possesses better hockey sense and a much better shot than Miller as well. I'm fine with the Miller signing, but Eaves is definitely the better player in my eyes. Millers shooting % is higher... fights count for nothing, as they don't win games the PK is almost a wash, Id prefer it to be boiled down to PK goals against per minute. More blocked shots does count for something though. Hits... well TOI differences could make up the difference but they still both have a lot. 1 Lidstrom for life reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicaldatsyuk 6 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Defensive forward meaning player who plays the best in the defensive role (IE 3/4th line) so that takes out Flip, Dats, Z, Cleary. cleary= 3rd line 1 mjlegend reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Because Holland decides who signs the contract first right? idk how the s*** works. i assumed he approached one player at a time. wondered why he would approach miller before eaves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyphoenix 153 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Eaves: 22 Points 128 Hits, 44 Blocked Shots 2 Fights 2:16 PK Time On Ice Per Game Miller: 19 Points 97 Hits, 47 Blocked Shots 0 Fights 1:49 PK Time On Ice Per Game I'll take the first guy, thanks. Not to mention that Eaves possesses better hockey sense and a much better shot than Miller as well. I'm fine with the Miller signing, but Eaves is definitely the better player in my eyes. So they were practically even in every stat except for hitting just like I suggested? I don't see what screams "Eaves is a better player" from any of those stats. 1 dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Green Wing 26 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 I need my eyes tested, I read the sub-heading as 850k... and I was a little disappointed. 650k is great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 idk how the s*** works. i assumed he approached one player at a time. wondered why he would approach miller before eaves Nah, he sent out qualifying offers to both of them at the same time, it's just Miller agreed to it faster then Eaves has. It's not that Holland wanted one or the other more. 1 mjlegend reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 I need my eyes tested, I read the sub-heading as 850k... and I was a little disappointed. 650k is great. Me too. When I first glanced at Drake's thread about Halak I thought it said "Hank signs with St. Louis" and almost shat myself. 1 miller76 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 So they were practically even in every stat except for hitting just like I suggested? I don't see what screams "Eaves is a better player" from any of those stats. Eaves is better at getting injured. 2 Skeptikal and miller76 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 So they were practically even in every stat except for hitting just like I suggested? I don't see what screams "Eaves is a better player" from any of those stats. You said Eaves didn't outperform Miller in any way... he did, even if it was ever so slightly. I'd still take Eaves over Miller ten times over. Also, I mentioned better hockey sense and shot. You can't prove those things with statistics. I'd also argue that as a right-handed shot, Eaves is more valuable to the Red Wings because it gives them another look. It's fine to like Miller, but Eaves did outperform him in a few fields. 1 redwingfan19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Eaves is better at getting injured. He's better at not being a healthy scratch. 1 HankthaTank reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 He's better at not being a healthy scratch. We have a winner.... 1 LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 cleary= 3rd line Id argue that by skill hes a top six forward... over Bert.. 1 HankthaTank reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
magicaldatsyuk 6 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 Id argue that by skill hes a top six forward... over Bert.. still doesn't change the fact he's on the 3rd line 1 mjlegend reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 You said Eaves didn't outperform Miller in any way... he did, even if it was ever so slightly. I'd still take Eaves over Miller ten times over. Also, I mentioned better hockey sense and shot. You can't prove those things with statistics. I'd also argue that as a right-handed shot, Eaves is more valuable to the Red Wings because it gives them another look. It's fine to like Miller, but Eaves did outperform him in a few fields. quick, someone start an eaves vs miller thread with a poll before this thing gets derailed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miller76 463 Report post Posted July 6, 2010 3 WizardOfOz30, mjlegend and Lidstrom for life reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites