Jiri Hudler Watch Thread

[newfy 695]

Why waste the effort? Hudler will have to be top three in team scoring before any of the haters recognize him as a top-six capable forward. It's insane. People here still don't think he put up a top-six worthy offensive performance in 08-09 despite the fact that he tied for 70th in forward scoring, despite playing on the third and fourth lines all season.

No because in the top 6 he would get blown away on defensive coverage against other teams top lines. He needs to be babied on the PP and lower lines because he isn't good enough except offensively for anything else. When are you going to realize that your love for Hudler makes you look stupid and that noone takes you seriously at all on this site because of it

[uk_redwing 495]

I call a goal and an assist in one game good production. It works out to 82 goals and 82 assists over the course of a season, which is 164 points; that's a mark only Gretzky and Lemieux have hit. Yzerman's 155 is the next closest.

As for ice time, I don't recall any point in his NHL career where Babcock has given Hudler top-six ice time for a stretch of more than five or six games in a row. Despite this, Hudler, aside from his first 28 games this season, was a very effective offensive forward.

He has played well over the past few games and last game he scored two points. He may have just knocked that monkey off his back and if so, he could go on a tear that could be scarier in a good way than his first 28 games were in a bad way.

He scored 1 goal and 5 assists in his first 28 games, which is pace for 3-15-18 in 82 games. He's gotten a goal and an assist in his past three (past one, actually, but the previous two he was playing as well or better) which is pace for 27-27-54 in 82. That's much more comparable to his last NHL season, and he's actually averaged less time per game over the past three than he did in 09-10.

If the past week is any indication...Rex is back, and it's about damn time.

Yay, Eva logic! Remember when Aaron Downey had 1 goal and 1 assist in 4 games with 3 minutes of ice time each night?

Well, lets say he continued on those 4th line minutes that would be 20 goals and 20 assists over the course of the season yes? Well lets say we QUADRUPLED his ice time for playing on the 1st line, then we'd be looking at around....80 goals and 80 assists over a season? 160 points for Aaron Downey. That's not even including PP time!

Lets give Aaron Downey some PP time. Yes? Downey would love some PP time. Lets put him on the first PP unit. Lets say that seeing as Hudler has half his goals on the PP, that would add an extra 50% to his point totals. So thats 130 goals and 130 assists for Aaron Downey. 260 points in a season?!

Shame he's retired...think of what could have been...

[eva unit zero 271]

Is asking that he's in the top 6 forwards in scoring insane before we consider him worthy of that? Is he even in the top 6 defensemen?

Learn to read and comprehend. Three is not six.

Congraulations on failing.

[eva unit zero 271]

Yay, Eva logic! Remember when Aaron Downey had 1 goal and 1 assist in 4 games with 3 minutes of ice time each night?

Well, lets say he continued on those 4th line minutes that would be 20 goals and 20 assists over the course of the season yes? Well lets say we QUADRUPLED his ice time for playing on the 1st line, then we'd be looking at around....80 goals and 80 assists over a season? 160 points for Aaron Downey. That's not even including PP time!

Lets give Aaron Downey some PP time. Yes? Downey would love some PP time. Lets put him on the first PP unit. Lets say that seeing as Hudler has half his goals on the PP, that would add an extra 50% to his point totals. So thats 130 goals and 130 assists for Aaron Downey. 260 points in a season?!

Shame he's retired...think of what could have been...

It's a shame you're just sitting there flapping your..well, fingers about Downey. My point was that I had been saying all along if Hudler was given top six time the result would be good production. I was responded to with a post about Shawn Thornton's 7 goals, so I was saying how I considered 1 goal and 1 assist good production for one game, and projecting it for those who can't seem to comprehend the "one game" concept.

Why don't you go take your hard on for Downey to a Griffins board. It would do us all some good.

[Guest Crymson]

Learn to read and comprehend. Three is not six.

Congraulations on failing.

Sigh.

Eva, you absolutely vanished from this thread when Hudler wasn't producing anything and was by far the worst player on the team. Now, after the guy has one decent game, you've returned to yell that you were right about him all along---and you're doing it with an extremely weak argument.

Edited December 29, 2010 by Crymson

[uk_redwing 495]

Why don't you go take your hard on for Downey to a Griffins board. It would do us all some good.

You should visit a Griffins board once in a while. You might actually learn something. Don't post though...I like the Eva-free Griffins board's.

And whats wrong with my Downey statistics? WHY CANT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE FOUR GAME CONCEPT?!

[newfy 695]

You should visit a Griffins board once in a while. You might actually learn something. Don't post though...I like the Eva-free Griffins board's.

And whats wrong with my Downey statistics? WHY CANT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE FOUR GAME CONCEPT?!

Yeah I dont get what Evas deal is. You were just using the close relative of his one game concept, the 4 game concept. Its widely accepted amongst hockey fans to prove who should get top 6 time...

[Majsheppard 203]

I have never been so entertained by a thread.

Seriously though, I thought Hudler was a great fourth liner for us in the playoffs and has potential.

He has failed to meet it and the simple fact of the matter is his nearly three million dollars of undeserved salary is desperately needed next couple of years to help us keep players who are performing better in various roles from leaving. I don't want to lose a Helm or an Abs for Hudler. I kinda right now wonder what Mursak and Emmerton would bring to the team and wonder if we will get to see what they bring without creating space.

Hudler makes the most sense to move for addition from subtraction.

I hear what you are saying Eva about not giving him a chance, but as of right now he hasn't even warranted a chance in the top six because we have had 13 forwards playing better than him right now and I am not talking in statistics but in effort. It could be possible that it all changes for him, and his short term success might mark that. However, his own admission is that this doesn't mean everything is turning around. My link"It's got to be continuous now," Hudler said. "It should be. You have to stay with it. From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20101229/SPORTS0103/12290321/Jiri-Hudler-won’t-say-second-goal-means-slump-is-over#ixzz19WKKWS5y

I agree with you that it is possible for him to get hot, with his abilities coupled with power play and top six responsibilities, and the fact that he is not a defensive minded player he should be putting up 80 points. I am not holding my breath though.

He clearly is the Vile Leino of this season. We most likely will either hold on to him and hope he plays better come the playoffs like did a few years back, or we will trade him for less than he is worth and he will play a better game in a bigger role for another team.

[eva unit zero 271]

Sigh.

Eva, you absolutely vanished from this thread when Hudler wasn't producing anything and was by far the worst player on the team. Now, after the guy has one decent game, you've returned to yell that you were right about him all along.

Earlier in the season I ignored this thread. Why? For one simple reason.

You don't go outside in a blizzard. If I come in here and make a post about Hudler that is positive, or even neutral, a month ago? I would have seen everyone in the post come railing on me. I used to have the time to deal with that kind of s***. Now I don't. So when I know it will happen beforehand, I simply ignore it.

And he has had more than one GOOD game in a row.

[Guest Crymson]

Yeah I dont get what Evas deal is. You were just using the close relative of his one game concept, the 4 game concept. Its widely accepted amongst hockey fans to prove who should get top 6 time...

He's also suddenly claiming that the Avs game proved that Hudler can produce if given top-six minutes, when Hudler scored both of his points on the power play---and one of those points was a goal on a shot through a screen after two failed passes, and the other was an assist via a pass to the best defenseman of all time.

I think the guy has an obsession with acclaim.

This says more than I could.

[Nevermind 363]

Learn to read and comprehend. Three is not six.

Congraulations on failing.

Learn to watch hockey and comprehend. Stats are useless 87% of the time ().

Congratulations on failing.

I guess we should evaluate each player by extrapolating their best game to their entire career.

And there's more to hockey than points BTW.

[Casey 145]

I call a goal and an assist in one game good production. It works out to 82 goals and 82 assists over the course of a season, which is 164 points; that's a mark only Gretzky and Lemieux have hit. Yzerman's 155 is the next closest.

As for ice time, I don't recall any point in his NHL career where Babcock has given Hudler top-six ice time for a stretch of more than five or six games in a row. Despite this, Hudler, aside from his first 28 games this season, was a very effective offensive forward.

He has played well over the past few games and last game he scored two points. He may have just knocked that monkey off his back and if so, he could go on a tear that could be scarier in a good way than his first 28 games were in a bad way.

He scored 1 goal and 5 assists in his first 28 games, which is pace for 3-15-18 in 82 games. He's gotten a goal and an assist in his past three (past one, actually, but the previous two he was playing as well or better) which is pace for 27-27-54 in 82. That's much more comparable to his last NHL season, and he's actually averaged less time per game over the past three than he did in 09-10.

If the past week is any indication...Rex is back, and it's about damn time.

He has 8 points in 31 games. Ericsson and Abdelkader have 8 in 28 each, Modano has 8 in 20. He's tied for 10th among Wing forwards with Modano and Abdelkader having the same production in fewer games. His 8 would be good for 5th amongst defensemen. Shot percentage is 16th. +/- is dead last with a five-point margin over next place Miller and Modano.

I'll wait until he cracks the top-six in scoring before saying he's a top-six forward. Hell, with Dats and Cleary out a month, it should be easy, if he's on the tear you say he is.

[Guest Crymson]

Earlier in the season I ignored this thread. Why? For one simple reason.

You don't go outside in a blizzard. If I come in here and make a post about Hudler that is positive, or even neutral, a month ago? I would have seen everyone in the post come railing on me. I used to have the time to deal with that kind of s***. Now I don't. So when I know it will happen beforehand, I simply ignore it.

And he has had more than one GOOD game in a row.

I'm not going to bother getting into any more criticisms of your character, Eva, but you know as well as I do that what you've said in this post isn't true.

[Guest Crymson]

Learn to watch hockey and comprehend. Stats are useless 87% of the time ().

Congratulations on failing.

I guess we should evaluate each player by extrapolating their best game to their entire career.

And there's more to hockey than points BTW.

"I've returned to this thread because Hudler finally had a decent game! Like I've always been saying, he'll produce a lot when he's given top-six minutes. In fact, if you look at this game in which he got those minutes, he was on an absolutely torrid pace for scoring. What? You say that both of his points came on the power play, on which he has been playing for a good 20 games? You say that he played the same old mediocre game at even strength? Well, I'm going to ignore that."

Anyway, congrats to Lidstrom for the 300 point pace he's now on.

[eva unit zero 271]

He has 8 points in 31 games. Ericsson and Abdelkader have 8 in 28 each, Modano has 8 in 20. He's tied for 10th among Wing forwards with Modano and Abdelkader having the same production in fewer games. His 8 would be good for 5th amongst defensemen. Shot percentage is 16th. +/- is dead last with a five-point margin over next place Miller and Modano.

I'll wait until he cracks the top-six in scoring before saying he's a top-six forward. Hell, with Dats and Cleary out a month, it should be easy, if he's on the tear you say he is.

I said he could go on a tear. I didn't say he was on a tear; he scored two points last game and has been one of the team's top forwards the past three, which is the production level we were expecting from him.

I'm not going to bother getting into any more criticisms of your character, Eva, but you know as well as I do that what you've said in this post isn't true.

Whatever you say Crymson. I'm sure you're more aware of my motivations than I am.

"I've returned to this thread because Hudler finally had a decent game! Like I've always been saying, he'll produce a lot when he's given top-six minutes. In fact, if you look at this game in which he got those minutes, he was on an absolutely torrid pace for scoring. What? You say that both of his points came on the power play, on which he has been playing for a good 20 games? You say that he played the same old mediocre game at even strength? Well, I'm going to ignore that."

Anyway, congrats to Lidstrom for the 300 point pace he's now on.

If you're not playing well, that won't change just by playing on the power play in the same game. Some games a player will produce offense like we would expect from Pavel Datsyuk, and sometimes like Aaron Downey. Aaron Downey isn't going to bring s***ty offense at 5-on-5 and score bunches on the PP, so why would a player bringing his offensive level do so? And the same goes for Datsyuk.

And you forgot to congratulate Osgood on the Vezina and the Hart.

[Broken 16 381]

And you forgot to congratulate Osgood on the Vezina and the Hart.

s*** ya. If I could extrapolate one game for one player, it would be the 400th win. Ozzy was amazing.

Edited December 29, 2010 by Broken 16

[Vladifan 680]

Sure hope the hotel that the Wings are staying in in Dallas has the NHL network. As we speak, Hudler could be watching how good he was in the Winter Classic and maybe even get some muscle memory back.

[thedisappearer 291]

Learn to read and comprehend. Three is not six.

Congraulations on failing.

Yeah, I'm sure you *think* this, but that doesn't make it true. Much like your boner-obsession for Hudler.

You don't go outside in a blizzard.

The Belle Tire commercials say otherwise. They also they guy will refuse the tip. True story.

I said he could go on a tear.

ANYONE can go on a tear. Anyone.

s*** ya. If I could extrapolate one game for one player, it would be the 400th win. Ozzy was amazing.

He's won every game he was ever in if you count just that game.

[Rivalred 630]

Yay, Eva logic! Remember when Aaron Downey had 1 goal and 1 assist in 4 games with 3 minutes of ice time each night?

Shame he's retired...think of what could have been...

It's a shame you're just sitting there flapping your..well, fingers about Downey. My point was that I had been saying all along if Hudler was given top six time the result would be good production. I was responded to with a post about Shawn Thornton's 7 goals, so I was saying how I considered 1 goal and 1 assist good production for one game, and projecting it for those who can't seem to comprehend the "one game" concept.

Why don't you go take your hard on for Downey to a Griffins board. It would do us all some good.

Ugh

One poster with a hard-on for Downey and the other poser with a hard-on for Hudler.

Now the question is, which hard on is bigger and which one would have the most hits.

Eva? UK-RedWing? Could you tell us

[Broken 16 381]

Here comes Happy. God I hope he's off the snide...

[thedisappearer 291]

Eaves scored on his last shot. If the average NHL forward takes 2 shots per game, that's 2 goals for Eaves. Factor in the 82 game season, and that's 164 goals. Take *that, Gretzky!

Great One my ass. Never had a 164 goal season, I'll tell you that.

[Shaman 713]

2 points so far tonight, nothing to sneeze at.

[thedisappearer 291]

ZOMG 450 goal season for Eaves!

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

So all it takes for Hudler is for Datsyuk and Cleary to be injured?

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

ZOMG 450 goal season for Eaves!

Don't forget, based on the 1 game attitude off this game, if Draper plays every game for the rest of this season he'll have 47 goals total!