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[kylee]

sucks real bad that Detroit isnt on his short list...but i do understand him perhaps not wanting to entirely screw his would-be former team by going to a Cup contender within the division.

[haroldsnepsts]

I love HFboards when trades like this come up. My favorite offer so far

To Philadelphia
Rick Nash

To Columbus

Michael Leighton
Andreas Lilja
Jody Shelley
5rd round pick.

Lol

Honestly it's not much better than a lot of the trades offered up here.

As fans we're not really wanting to part with key players, so many of the suggestions aren't really based on a realistic trade value as they are a list of players we're willing to part with.

Which is why Hudler, Kindl, Ericsson and a couple lesser prospects often end up on the list. Nevermind that Ericsson has a NMC. Some people apparently think he'd be willing to forgo that to play in a historic powerhouse franchise like Columbus.

[55fan]

No way Nash is worth Lilja. No way.

[Crashnburnluder]

Lol....

I forgot who posted it but someone Saying bout giving up a star which I disagree about.... I don't see stars getting swapped much. Besides Heatley for Havlat.... Look at the bigger names. Kovalchuk, Richards, Carter, thornton heck even Burns it's usually up and comers plus prospects picks.... Especially from a team that's in the "Fail for Nail" process

Side note.... I would never do it for loyalty reason but... Id be willing to move Z for Nash and let Filppula have second line center lol.... But I love Z too much but he is slowly decreasing in production...

[Zetts]

Side note.... I would never do it for loyalty reason but... Id be willing to move Z for Nash and let Filppula have second line center lol.... But I love Z too much but he is slowly decreasing in production...

Even ignoring loyalty, I'd never do that. Nash has surpassed the point-per-game mark ONCE in the NHL with 79 points in 78 games in 08-09.

Zetterberg (who's considered to be having a terrible year): 44 points in 58 games - 0.759 points/game
Nash: 39 points in 57 games - 0.684 points/game

Admittedly, Nash hasn't exactly had amazing players in Columbus, but he's not quite the offensive juggernaut that he's sometimes made out to be. In Detroit he'd play with better players for sure, but he would no longer be the go-to guy in all offensive situations...there are several factors. Even playing with Datsyuk, my guess is he'd never pass much more than 80 point seasons.

Add to this that Zetterberg is better defensively and a playoff beast, whereas Nash is a fairly unknown commodity come playoff time (3 pts and minus 4 in 4 playoff games) and I'd take Z in a heartbeat.

Also, great play for Team Canada is not the same as playing on the Wings/in the NHL.

Edited by Zetts, 15 February 2012 - 05:35 PM.

[Majsheppard]

sucks real bad that Detroit isnt on his short list...but i do understand him perhaps not wanting to entirely screw his would-be former team by going to a Cup contender within the division.

I have been paying attention to this situation... I haven't heard any official list. Where is there a reputable source?

[arag]

Let's just tell Kenny we want Nash in Detroit and Hudler packaged with Big E in Columbus.
We can say "please" Kenny do it.
Jokes on the side that would be great to have him as a Red Wing. We have seen Kenny making unexpected moves. Let's hope this one would be too.
Go Wings !

[esteef]

Nash is Lazy and He Sucks.

esteef

[arag]

Nash is Lazy and He Sucks.

esteef

Can't blame Nash for being lazy. It is the team he is playing for. Put anybody in his position and they will loose interest in playing competitive Hockey instantly. Need motivation. Red Wings is as good as it gets for being motivated and being competitive.
Try that !

[amato]

Nash would cost way too much.. Let's get real. He'll go somewhere that can give up a decent goalie and more or he'll stay put

[Crymson]

Can't blame Nash for being lazy. It is the team he is playing for. Put anybody in his position and they will loose interest in playing competitive Hockey instantly. Need motivation. Red Wings is as good as it gets for being motivated and being competitive.
Try that !

You can always blame a professional athlete for being lazy. It's their choice as to whether or not they give their all every night. If everyone followed your philosophy, no bad team would ever stand a chance of getting better.

[arag]

You can always blame a professional athlete for being lazy. It's their choice as to whether or not they give their all every night. If everyone followed your philosophy, no bad team would ever stand a chance of getting better.

I agree that Nash and everyone should show up to work every day. However some professionals: scientist, doctors , hockey players require encouragement and or motivation.
Nash gets none in Columbus. Sometimes you have to squeeze it out of them, sometimes they need a change to get motivated. By that I don't mean bigger paycheck.
That is what I ment.
On a personal note my understanding of professionalism is far greater than you may think.
Go Wings!

Edited by arag, 16 February 2012 - 07:39 AM.

[13dangledangle]

In my mind now Burke has to get this done. Package up Kessel, Kadri and the hot Joffery and get this guy there. Nash would be the king of Toronto he is what that town loves......Ticket prices may go up even more though so I may have to start driving 4 hours to Ottawa or 5 to the D to start seeing games...

[kipwinger]

I generally object to the accusation that Nash is lazy. I don't know where this is coming from, never heard it, never seen it. The guy is a beast, but nobody is going to get quality production when he's the only offensive threat. It's amazing that he's been as good as he has. He's going to face the best possible defensive pairings and forwards every single night. Even Hossa and Kovalchuk had each other when they were putting up huge numbers (thus making it harder for teams to defend any one of them), or even Kessel now that he's got Lupul. The best player Nash ever played with was Modin, and he was constantly hurt, or Fedorov in his 16-18 NHL seasons.

Edited by kipwinger, 16 February 2012 - 11:24 AM.

[Hatethedrake!]

I think whichever team Nash ends up with will be very happy. He was Team Canada's best player during the Olympics in 2010 and a big reason they won Gold. While I wish he were a Red Wing, he is not worth gutting the roster for. I like our depth. Like Kenny says, we just need to add complimentary players. We will win or lose with our depth. Then sign Suter and Parise this summer and REALLY compliment our team.

[Drake_Marcus]

If I'm the Canucks I'd offer Luongo in some sort of package involving Nash.

Sound crazy? Well Schneider is outperforming Luongo (consistently) and is a younger, cheaper player who's not signed to an enormous contract. Nash's enormous contract is more palatable if you're switching it for Luongo's bigger contract (even if the cap hit is larger for Nash).

Luongo's playoff struggles are an unnecessary distraction for the Canucks (in my opinion) considering how good Schneider's been for them over the last two years.

Right now the Canucks have a younger guy in Schneider who looks like he can be a legit #1 goaltender, so why not shed Luongo's contract and enormous baggage? Luongo, on the other hand, gets to escape the constant pressure of playing in a Canadian market with extremely high expectations and he gets to 'start over'. The Canucks probably hope Luongo can return to being a dominant postseason player like he was the year he had that epic series against Turco/Dallas, but if even if he can, how much better is that Luongo over Schneider + Nash? Both teams would be taking a risk but at least it's a star player for star player trade where the financial baggage is relatively equal (as is the talent).

[stinky fish taco]

If I'm the Canucks I'd offer Luongo in some sort of package involving Nash.

Sound crazy? Well Schneider is outperforming Luongo (consistently) and is a younger, cheaper player who's not signed to an enormous contract. Nash's enormous contract is more palatable if you're switching it for Luongo's bigger contract (even if the cap hit is larger for Nash).

Luongo's playoff struggles are an unnecessary distraction for the Canucks (in my opinion) considering how good Schneider's been for them over the last two years.

Right now the Canucks have a younger guy in Schneider who looks like he can be a legit #1 goaltender, so why not shed Luongo's contract and enormous baggage? Luongo, on the other hand, gets to escape the constant pressure of playing in a Canadian market with extremely high expectations and he gets to 'start over'. The Canucks probably hope Luongo can return to being a dominant postseason player like he was the year he had that epic series against Turco/Dallas, but if even if he can, how much better is that Luongo over Schneider + Nash? Both teams would be taking a risk but at least it's a star player for star player trade where the financial baggage is relatively equal (as is the talent).

luongo has a no trade clause.

[Drake_Marcus]

Honestly it's not much better than a lot of the trades offered up here.

As fans we're not really wanting to part with key players, so many of the suggestions aren't really based on a realistic trade value as they are a list of players we're willing to part with.

Which is why Hudler, Kindl, Ericsson and a couple lesser prospects often end up on the list. Nevermind that Ericsson has a NMC. Some people apparently think he'd be willing to forgo that to play in a historic powerhouse franchise like Columbus.

A) Hudler's better than anyone on that Philly list by a huge margin.
B) No one (publicly) knows the details of Ericsson's NMC, although it's presumed to be one of those "pick x teams you refuse to be moved to" ones.

luongo has a no trade clause.

Is it an ironcald clause or one of the looser ones? NTC's haven't been too tough to work around for teams in recent years (the Campbell to Florida trade comes to mind).

[stinky fish taco]

Is it an ironcald clause or one of the looser ones? NTC's haven't been too tough to work around for teams in recent years (the Campbell to Florida trade comes to mind).

the canucks can initiate a trade in the 7th year of his contract.

[Tim.D]

Detroit is reportedly not on Nash's list of teams he wants to go to, which includes the Leafs, Bruins, Rangers, Sharks, and Kings.