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Semin is lazy and that is really hard to get out of a player. If the Wings want to gamble I would go after Evander Kane. He needs to grow up but works hard every night and brings some grit. Contract talks with him and the Jets are not going well.

He's an RFA. Ken Holland doesn't go after other teams' RFAs.

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How do you guys feel about maybe trading Hudler's rights? Seeing as how the free-agent pool isn't going to be very deep, and guys who can score 20-30 goals/year don't grow on trees, you'd think someone would be willing to give a 2nd round pick(maybe 1st round pick if Kenny really works his magic)

EDIT: assuming Hudler has his sights set on $4+ mill/year

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How do you guys feel about maybe trading Hudler's rights? Seeing as how the free-agent pool isn't going to be very deep, and guys who can score 20-30 goals/year don't grow on trees, you'd think someone would be willing to give a 2nd round pick(maybe 1st round pick if Kenny really works his magic)

EDIT: assuming Hudler has his sights set on $4+ mill/year

No way. Not for rights; especially Hudler's.

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He's an RFA. Ken Holland doesn't go after other teams' RFAs.

I was thinking more of a trade option. If the Jets can't come to terms with him and he dosen't want to play there maybe it could be a trade partner. Winnipeg fans will eat him alive if he turns his back on the team, they will have to move him.

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Honestly, I'd take Parise/Semin/Moen/Suter/Schultz/Harding as our new players...That's alot of signing and changes, especially for one off season, but Holland needs to make this big splash and prove to the NHL that Detroit is here to stay and will NOT rebuild, just reload! Get these guys signed up for years and then let the likes of Sheahan, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen etc... slowly make their way into the lineup.

( I still cannot explain how imperative it is to get these kids under contract: Dekeyser, Schultz, Welsh, in a few years when Sheahan in up along with Smith leading the way, this Red Wings team will be young, fast and HARD to play against...Howard will be in his prime and our D will be young and tough along with the O.)

I agree with everything here but Semin, unless he signs for 1 year max $5 mil. He has no 2-way game, but Dats could help find his potential. If he plays hard every night, he could pot 50 on Dats wing. I am hugely on board with para 2. Smith will be a beast next year up full time and in a year or 2, Sheahan will be the "Gaustad" that this board is looking for on the Wings. Big, tough, smooth fast skater and great on the D side of the game. Hopefully this year in GR he gets his offense going again. But as my dad stated the other day at lunch, GR needs a new coach cause the dude down there is not doing s*** with our black aces. I'm also looking forward to seeing Ironhook cross the pond and see what he can do in NA and bulk up and get the 10 or more pounds he needs. I don't give 2 s***s what the critics say on the scouting reports, all the Wings prospects i've seen play have looked really good. I want to see Tvrdon on GR too next year as i'm pretty sure he's too old to play in the WHL.

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I agree with everything here but Semin, unless he signs for 1 year max $5 mil. He has no 2-way game, but Dats could help find his potential. If he plays hard every night, he could pot 50 on Dats wing. I am hugely on board with para 2. Smith will be a beast next year up full time and in a year or 2, Sheahan will be the "Gaustad" that this board is looking for on the Wings. Big, tough, smooth fast skater and great on the D side of the game. Hopefully this year in GR he gets his offense going again. But as my dad stated the other day at lunch, GR needs a new coach cause the dude down there is not doing s*** with our black aces. I'm also looking forward to seeing Ironhook cross the pond and see what he can do in NA and bulk up and get the 10 or more pounds he needs. I don't give 2 s***s what the critics say on the scouting reports, all the Wings prospects i've seen play have looked really good. I want to see Tvrdon on GR too next year as i'm pretty sure he's too old to play in the WHL.

If YTvrdon doesn't make the Wings he will be back in the WHL, he was born in January 1993, anybody born before January (Jurco was born Dec 1992) doesn't have to go back to jr. if they don't make their NHL club but anybody born in 1993 does. Tvrdon could use another year in jr. to make up for missing most of his first year there with an injury and to get more consistent

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I agree with everything here but Semin, unless he signs for 1 year max $5 mil. He has no 2-way game, but Dats could help find his potential. If he plays hard every night, he could pot 50 on Dats wing. I am hugely on board with para 2. Smith will be a beast next year up full time and in a year or 2, Sheahan will be the "Gaustad" that this board is looking for on the Wings. Big, tough, smooth fast skater and great on the D side of the game. Hopefully this year in GR he gets his offense going again. But as my dad stated the other day at lunch, GR needs a new coach cause the dude down there is not doing s*** with our black aces. I'm also looking forward to seeing Ironhook cross the pond and see what he can do in NA and bulk up and get the 10 or more pounds he needs. I don't give 2 s***s what the critics say on the scouting reports, all the Wings prospects i've seen play have looked really good. I want to see Tvrdon on GR too next year as i'm pretty sure he's too old to play in the WHL.

Well it looks like your dad will be seeing that new coach in Rapids! He bolted to be an Asst. with Dallas!

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And at least Pavel would have someone to talk to. Semin would be a much better player on Pav's wing, rather than Hudler.

Semin scored a goal every 61 mins od ice-time this year

Parise scored a goal every 56 mins of ice-time this year

Hudler scored a goal every 50 mins of ice-time this year

Franzen scored a goal every 47 mins of ice-time this year

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Semin scored a goal every 61 mins od ice-time this year

Parise scored a goal every 56 mins of ice-time this year

Hudler scored a goal every 50 mins of ice-time this year

Franzen scored a goal every 47 mins of ice-time this year

Neat stat.

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Semin scored a goal every 61 mins od ice-time this year

Parise scored a goal every 56 mins of ice-time this year

Hudler scored a goal every 50 mins of ice-time this year

Franzen scored a goal every 47 mins of ice-time this year

Franzen and huds were also on the wings. I think either parise or semin in our line up scores goals every < 47 mins of ice time.

Still I agree, it's a pretty cool stat. Not something you look at all the time.

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Franzen and huds were also on the wings. I think either parise or semin in our line up scores goals every < 47 mins of ice time.

Still I agree, it's a pretty cool stat. Not something you look at all the time.

I was being sarcastic. The stat is absurd because it doesn't take into consideration quality of line mates, quality of competition, offensive vs. defensive zone starts, etc. It's a s*** stat. But by looking at it you would have to conclude that Hudler and Franzen score more often then Zach Parise. Except Parise's 69 pts. to their 50 and 56 pts. (respectively) would suggest otherwise. A stat like that actually penalizes a forward who draws tougher matchups and who frequently is put on the ice in the defensive zone (e.g. is defensively responsible and therefore a better player).

What's I'm trying to say is...it's a real neat stat.

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Semin scored a goal every 61 mins od ice-time this year

Parise scored a goal every 56 mins of ice-time this year

Hudler scored a goal every 50 mins of ice-time this year

Franzen scored a goal every 47 mins of ice-time this year

if you look at only even strength, its:

Semin scored a goal every 58 mins of ice-time this year

Parise scored a goal every 63 mins of ice-time this year

Hudler scored a goal every 47 mins of ice-time this year

Franzen scored a goal every 63 mins of ice-time this year

while any statistic gives only a partial view, i find it funny that hudler was the most productive scorer 5v5 out of the 4. sure it all depends on linemates and other factors, but i just find it funny people continue to sell him short. (pun intended)

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if you look at only even strength, its:

Semin scored a goal every 58 mins of ice-time this year

Parise scored a goal every 63 mins of ice-time this year

Hudler scored a goal every 47 mins of ice-time this year

Franzen scored a goal every 63 mins of ice-time this year

while any statistic gives only a partial view, i find it funny that hudler was the most productive scorer 5v5 out of the 4. sure it all depends on linemates and other factors, but i just find it funny people continue to sell him short. (pun intended)

I don't think that this stats sells Hudler short. It actually elevates him and Franzen to the level of Zach Parise, which they clearly aren't. I'd say it actually gives them more credit than they deserve. And this is coming from a guy who has repeatedly defended Hudler and Franzen on this forum.

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I don't think that this stats sells Hudler short. It actually elevates him and Franzen to the level of Zach Parise, which they clearly aren't. I'd say it actually gives them more credit than they deserve. And this is coming from a guy who has repeatedly defended Hudler and Franzen on this forum.

i wasnt saying the statistic sold him short, but that other posters sold him short even though his even strength production was better than any of those other 3 guys.

like you, i dont go so far to imply hudler is as good as parise, i just think a lot of people keep dogging him when he had a pretty darn good year this year.

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like you, i dont go so far to imply hudler is as good as parise, i just think a lot of people keep dogging him when he had a pretty darn good year this year.

Agreed, he did have a pretty good year & the good news for him is that it was a contract year. With the lack of depth in the UFA market this summer, that means he'll probably get plenty of offers from teams that will be above what his worth should be. I'm just hoping one of those $4m+ a year offers doesn't come from one Kenny Holland. If Huds loves playing in Detroit, $3m a year would be more appropriate. I just don't see that happening though.

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I was being sarcastic. The stat is absurd because it doesn't take into consideration quality of line mates, quality of competition, offensive vs. defensive zone starts, etc. It's a s*** stat. But by looking at it you would have to conclude that Hudler and Franzen score more often then Zach Parise. Except Parise's 69 pts. to their 50 and 56 pts. (respectively) would suggest otherwise. A stat like that actually penalizes a forward who draws tougher matchups and who frequently is put on the ice in the defensive zone (e.g. is defensively responsible and therefore a better player).

What's I'm trying to say is...it's a real neat stat.

Parise's 69 points is an absurd stat because it doesn't take into consideration quality of line mates, quality of competition, offensive vs. defensive zone starts, how much they play etc. It's a s*** stat.

Goals per minute played is a more informative stat than goals on it own. Parise scored as many goals as he did in part because of the ice-time he got; more than any Wings forwards and a lot more than Franzen or Hudler. If Franzen and Hudler played as much they would score more than they did

Unlike Hudler, Parise always played with NJ's best

I brought up the stat because people here knock Franzen for consistency and frequency of scoring goals and talk like Parise is going to be some messiah. he scores goals less frequently than Franzen or Hudler, he is another small finesse forward like we have so many of on our team and in the system and he is probably going to be way over payed.

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Parise's 69 points is an absurd stat because it doesn't take into consideration quality of line mates, quality of competition, offensive vs. defensive zone starts, how much they play etc. It's a s*** stat.

Goals per minute played is a more informative stat than goals on it own. Parise scored as many goals as he did in part because of the ice-time he got; more than any Wings forwards and a lot more than Franzen or Hudler. If Franzen and Hudler played as much they would score more than they did

Unlike Hudler, Parise always played with NJ's best

I brought up the stat because people here knock Franzen for consistency and frequency of scoring goals and talk like Parise is going to be some messiah. he scores goals less frequently than Franzen or Hudler, he is another small finesse forward like we have so many of on our team and in the system and he is probably going to be way over payed.

Well if you ever decide to actually watch a hockey game or two you might notice that: Parise >>>>>>>> Hudler...everyday of the week and on weekends.

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Well if you ever decide to actually watch a hockey game or two you might notice that: Parise >>>>>>>> Hudler...everyday of the week and on weekends.

I never said Hudler was better just that Hudler scores more frequently and if u think Parise is >>>>>>>>>> rather than just > Hudler maybe you should actually watch a game or 2 without s*** colored glasses on. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

Hudler at $4 mill is much better to have than Parise at $8

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I never said Hudler was better just that Hudler scores more frequently and if u think Parise is >>>>>>>>>> rather than just > Hudler maybe you should actually watch a game or 2 without s*** colored glasses on. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

Hudler at $4 mill is much better to have than Parise at $8

I'd take Parise at 8 mil over Hudler at 4 mil. There is more to hockey than just stats. Parise's all around game is much like Dats. He has just as much value when he doesn't have the puck as he does when he has it.

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Agreed, he did have a pretty good year & the good news for him is that it was a contract year. With the lack of depth in the UFA market this summer, that means he'll probably get plenty of offers from teams that will be above what his worth should be. I'm just hoping one of those $4m+ a year offers doesn't come from one Kenny Holland. If Huds loves playing in Detroit, $3m a year would be more appropriate. I just don't see that happening though.

i agree totally. i guess our middle of the road attitude isnt as fun as all the hyperbole that gets thrown around in the thread!

to me, i would go a little higher. i would be happy with something as long as it was under 4. to me, 3.5 or 3.75 is still a good number. but like you said, that still probably isn't enough to keep him.

heck, look at good ole ville leino... he only put up 53 points after that great playoff and that got him a 4.5 average hit. i think thats a pretty comparable contract because while hudler didnt have a great playoff run to up his value, at least he has more of a track record. leino got that big contract after only 1 quality nhl season...

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I never said Hudler was better just that Hudler scores more frequently and if u think Parise is >>>>>>>>>> rather than just > Hudler maybe you should actually watch a game or 2 without s*** colored glasses on. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

Hudler at $4 mill is much better to have than Parise at $8

lol dude the last thing I am is a grass is greener kind of guy.....i am in touch with reality though, and Parise is a much much much better hockey player than Hudler, I don't care what bogus stat your looking at.

If someone gave you the option of having Hudler at 4 mill or Parise at 8 mill and you actually took Hudler I'd lose all faith in the hockey gods

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I was being sarcastic. The stat is absurd because it doesn't take into consideration quality of line mates, quality of competition, offensive vs. defensive zone starts, etc. It's a s*** stat. But by looking at it you would have to conclude that Hudler and Franzen score more often then Zach Parise. Except Parise's 69 pts. to their 50 and 56 pts. (respectively) would suggest otherwise. A stat like that actually penalizes a forward who draws tougher matchups and who frequently is put on the ice in the defensive zone (e.g. is defensively responsible and therefore a better player).

What's I'm trying to say is...it's a real neat stat.

while there is merit to what you are saying, i would contend it only has a small impact in this case. all players were top 6 guys all year. all the guys had other great linemates and were often targeted by other teams as lines that needed shut down.

additionally, another thing that would need to be taken into consideration is east vs. west. while i certainly dont want to open a can of worms about which is better, its hard to deny that all the offensive firepower was in the east. 9 of the top 10 goal scorers and 9 of the top 10 point getters were in the east. goal scoring by east teams was in their favor 3480-3264. the top 3 scoring teams were in the east and the bottom 4 were in the west. so really stats should skew towards guys like parise and semin.

in the bigger picture, all stats need context and no 1 statistic is perfect. but to me the stats looking at how many goals per minute have value. is helps people to remember that hudler and franzen have value and that parise isn't going to suddenly solve all of our goal scoring problems.

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The Hudler hate is strong with this one.

Kenny will offer him $3-3.5M and Huds will say no thanks. He's a 1 dimensional player that puts up 20 goals/year. He will not be back so LGW will have to find a new #1 whipping boy. I expect Mule will move up to #1.

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