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#21 Euro_Twins

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:57 AM

We don't need 3 threads to discuss the game.  Please use this one for Holland quotes only.

 

You're right got caught up in the moment lol, too many disbelievers around LGW forums. 



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:02 AM

I've actually been looking around a few other wings forums, and I think most people are starting to hate Holland. It isn't his fault Bettman has created a forced parity in the league, he has done as good a job as any gm with what he has to work with. People are going as far as putting pictures of holland with a target on his face as their profile picture, and the caption saying HOLLAND SUCKS. I say give him another season to see if he can turn this team around, He brought us a lot of success in the past.



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

I've actually been looking around a few other wings forums, and I think most people are starting to hate Holland. It isn't his fault Bettman has created a forced parity in the league, he has done as good a job as any gm with what he has to work with. People are going as far as putting pictures of holland with a target on his face as their profile picture, and the caption saying HOLLAND SUCKS. I say give him another season to see if he can turn this team around, He brought us a lot of success in the past.

To be honest, I'm more in the middle.  I've never held Holland up as the perfect GM or anything.  That said, he would be very well respected around the league and that goes a long way in being able to perform his job.  I'm not getting down on him now either, why would people be doing that (for not getting Suter?).  There's only so much he can do.

 

That said though, based on what you've just described in saying it's not Holland's fault that Bettman has forced parity, aren't you idirectly saying that Holland would be able to build a stronger team if he could spend way more money?  If so, how does spending lots of money make you a good GM?



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:44 AM

To be honest, I'm more in the middle.  I've never held Holland up as the perfect GM or anything.  That said, he would be very well respected around the league and that goes a long way in being able to perform his job.  I'm not getting down on him now either, why would people be doing that (for not getting Suter?).  There's only so much he can do.

 

That said though, based on what you've just described in saying it's not Holland's fault that Bettman has forced parity, aren't you idirectly saying that Holland would be able to build a stronger team if he could spend way more money?  If so, how does spending lots of money make you a good GM?

 

Well obviously he could make a much better team with no cap in place. I am referring more to the fact that he has kept this team competitive for the last 8 years under the cap system, now with the loss of Lids we are looking a little hairy. The forced parity comes into affect when you realize broke teams are able to get just as much talent as rich teams, and the talent is so spread out that no matter how good of a gm you may be, you really can't have a strong team every year, it just isn't possible.



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:12 PM

"We're comfortable with keeping Franzen, even though Marian was willing to take a huge discount to stay, we like our chances with Johan and Jiri..."


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

"We're comfortable with keeping Franzen, even though Marian was willing to take a huge discount to stay, we like our chances with Johan and Jiri..."

 

:glare:



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="LeftWinger" data-cid="2342996" data-time="1358788341"><p>
"We're comfortable with keeping Franzen, even though Marian was willing to take a huge discount to stay, we like our chances with Johan and Jiri..."</p></blockquote>


Ha!

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

60 seconds? the problem saturday was they only played 60 seconds, we need them to play 60 minutes

 

I was alluding to the fact they didn't show up at all Sat.



I've actually been looking around a few other wings forums, and I think most people are starting to hate Holland. It isn't his fault Bettman has created a forced parity in the league, he has done as good a job as any gm with what he has to work with. People are going as far as putting pictures of holland with a target on his face as their profile picture, and the caption saying HOLLAND SUCKS. I say give him another season to see if he can turn this team around, He brought us a lot of success in the past.

 

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:47 PM

Jesus. It's a pretty bad time to be a Wings fan I guess, if we're already bashing Holland for making the wrong 2013, 1st or 2nd overall draft choice.

Talk about insanity.

This is a fun thread to ease the tension after a pathetic start to the season, and it's fun to see all the tomfoolery people can come up with. And about half way through the season we may see some good Holland quotes. I almost want to start a thread for Babcock's quotes of frustration. I'll wait til we have about 8-10 to laugh at.

I've actually been looking around a few other wings forums, and I think most people are starting to hate Holland. It isn't his fault Bettman has created a forced parity in the league, he has done as good a job as any gm with what he has to work with. People are going as far as putting pictures of holland with a target on his face as their profile picture, and the caption saying HOLLAND SUCKS. I say give him another season to see if he can turn this team around, He brought us a lot of success in the past.

I have always been a big Holland fan, but this offseason i want to be able to quote him in saying the follwing:

"The Wings are too small and can't forcheck their way out of a paper bag. Sorry Sweden, we're drafting 7 players this year from North America and they're all gonna be 6'3 or bigger cause that's how you win the cup since our last win. We're gonna play catch up now."

On top of that, we need Perry or Getzlaf here if they test the market. That would be Holland's saving grace.

"We're comfortable with keeping Franzen, even though Marian was willing to take a huge discount to stay, we like our chances with Johan and Jiri..."

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

This is a fun thread to ease the tension after a pathetic start to the season, and it's fun to see all the tomfoolery people can come up with. And about half way through the season we may see some good Holland quotes. I almost want to start a thread for Babcock's quotes of frustration. I'll wait til we have about 8-10 to laugh at.


I have always been a big Holland fan, but this offseason i want to be able to quote him in saying the follwing:

"The Wings are too small and can't forcheck their way out of a paper bag. Sorry Sweden, we're drafting 7 players this year from North America and they're all gonna be 6'3 or bigger cause that's how you win the cup since our last win. We're gonna play catch up now."

On top of that, we need Perry or Getzlaf here if they test the market. That would be Holland's saving grace.


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I would settle for just Perry. He would instantly be the sniper/power forward that Datsyuk needs!

 

But ya, could you imagine the line of Getzlaf - Datsyuk - Perry? Almost as good as my fantasy line of Ryan - Datsyuk - Perry.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:52 PM

This is a fun thread to ease the tension after a pathetic start to the season, and it's fun to see all the tomfoolery people can come up with. And about half way through the season we may see some good Holland quotes. I almost want to start a thread for Babcock's quotes of frustration. I'll wait til we have about 8-10 to laugh at.


I have always been a big Holland fan, but this offseason i want to be able to quote him in saying the follwing:

"The Wings are too small and can't forcheck their way out of a paper bag. Sorry Sweden, we're drafting 7 players this year from North America and they're all gonna be 6'3 or bigger cause that's how you win the cup since our last win. We're gonna play catch up now."

On top of that, we need Perry or Getzlaf here if they test the market. That would be Holland's saving grace.


Somewhere a ball was dropped... The Hossa non-signing was an epic failure.

 

Here's a babs quote for you. 

 

Well our guys didn't look good out there, they just have to come out next game and play harder and try to win some battles in the corners, were going to watch the video of tonight and burn it after and bleach our eyes. 

 

Babcock can you comment on rumours of possibly getting getzlav or perry on your team before the end of the season?

 

- why, did we fire ken holland?



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:57 PM

I've actually been looking around a few other wings forums, and I think most people are starting to hate Holland. It isn't his fault Bettman has created a forced parity in the league, he has done as good a job as any gm with what he has to work with. People are going as far as putting pictures of holland with a target on his face as their profile picture, and the caption saying HOLLAND SUCKS. I say give him another season to see if he can turn this team around, He brought us a lot of success in the past.

I have always been a huge critic of Holland's ( a lot of negative.) This past summer I really gave him credit for doing his best to get the Olsen twins here, or at least Suter, and I do love the draft picks along with picking up Jordin Tootoo. I am and always will be on the fence with Holland though.  He has made some real questionable deals (letting Hossa go, 1st round for Quincey) recently and has historically drafted softer players over the glaring needs of our team.  Again, I give him a B+ for this summer, it's just too bad that the Olsen twins family's didn't come from Michigan.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:21 PM

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:48 PM

"We're comfortable with keeping Franzen, even though Marian was willing to take a huge discount to stay, we like our chances with Johan and Jiri..."

 

You know Hudler wasn't on the 09-10 team, right?

 

Also, over the last 3 years, Hossa's and Mule's goal scoring has been roughly equal in the regular season, and Franzen has been more productive in the playoffs.



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

You know Hudler wasn't on the 09-10 team, right?

 

Also, over the last 3 years, Hossa's and Mule's goal scoring has been roughly equal in the regular season, and Franzen has been more productive in the playoffs.

Well yes, but that includes last year's playoffs where Hossa only played 2 games before getting brained by Torres early in the third game.

 

The reality is that Mule has had 3 exceptional playoffs and 4 that have been mediocre to bad.  Hossa had one tremendous year with Pittsburgh, but has had plenty of good years besides that.  



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

You know Hudler wasn't on the 09-10 team, right?

 

Also, over the last 3 years, Hossa's and Mule's goal scoring has been roughly equal in the regular season, and Franzen has been more productive in the playoffs.

Right, but when Hossa was wanting to sign here, Holland was still trying to sign Hudler that summer before he bolted for Russia.  So his intentions were to sign Franzen and Hudler that summer...



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:20 PM

"We love what Anthony Stewart brings to a team, and are in definite need to get bigger and tougher to play against, Anthony would provide that two-fold! Um....but in the end, we like Emmerton and Mursak on our team, so we had to pass..."

 

...familiarity with the system...blah blah blah...

 

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:01 PM

Well yes, but that includes last year's playoffs where Hossa only played 2 games before getting brained by Torres early in the third game.

 

The reality is that Mule has had 3 exceptional playoffs and 4 that have been mediocre to bad.  Hossa had one tremendous year with Pittsburgh, but has had plenty of good years besides that.  

Even without counting last season against Hossa, he has played more games yet scored fewer goals and points than Franzen. Franzen also dealt with an injury a couple years ago. Two of the four "bad" years for Franzen came his first two years in the league, before he emerged as a top-6 forward.

 

 

Right, but when Hossa was wanting to sign here, Holland was still trying to sign Hudler that summer before he bolted for Russia.  So his intentions were to sign Franzen and Hudler that summer...

Hudler had nothing to do with it. We were never going to keep both Franzen and Hossa, seemed to me it was just a matter of who signed first. Also, coming off a career year and a 2nd straight big playoff year certainly didn't hurt Franzen.
 

 

"We love what Anthony Stewart brings to a team, and are in definite need to get bigger and tougher to play against, Anthony would provide that two-fold! Um....but in the end, we like Emmerton and Mursak on our team, so we had to pass..."

In your head, does Holland actually say these things? If not, how long does it take before you start to believe they're real?



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:24 PM

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