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Then prepare to lose.

When was the last time a team won the cup by having their goalie steal 16 games? If Hasek, Brodeur, and Roy didn't steal every game (or even every win), you can be reasonable sure that Howard won't either.

The problem here is that someone could just as easily rewrite that post by saying "This isn't the Wings of '02 . . . they don't have a Dominic Hasek in his prime. They can't afford to be scoring one goal per game, frittering away their power plays. The decision to accept lack of talent among 18 skaters but not the 19th is just baffling to me. It's completely and utterly arbitrary.

Focusing on Howard just strikes me as lazy. It's easier to point fingers at one guy than at 18.

Yes, having your goalie give up an early goal can have some vague effect on morale which can alter the course of the game.

You know what else can have a vague effect on morale which can alter the course of the game? Not waiting until 30 minutes in to get on the board. Jumping on the opponent and making them second-guess themselves has that effect, too.

This is funny - I don't think I've ever been fully on the Howard bandwagon. I'm not his biggest cheerleader. It's just that I don't agree with singling him out.

Not trying to sound snarky here but, have you been reading the posts? He isn't being singled out, at least that's not how I've been looking at it. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees the team played like crap. But giving Howard NONE of the blame is ridiculous.

Edit: and I also don't think anyone expects us to win 16 consecutive, but I think hoping that we don't give games away (like I think we did in game 2) isn't unreasonable.

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I only scanned the last several posts. I'm sure I'm not completely up to speed on everything that's been written on LGW.

It just seemed like "here we go again. If the wings are going to win, Howard needs to stand on his head. Howard proceeds not to stand on his head and the Wings lose. Ergo, Howard is a bum."

I hear it from other people, I see it on other sites, and I thought I was seeing it again here.

FWIW, I think my game 3-4 key is the power play. I expect Detroit to play with a jump back at the Joe, and think playing at home will help with the zebras. What they do with those chances will probably have a lot to do with how the series stands going back to Boston.

Unless Howie follows up game 2 by giving up a six-spot in game 3. If that happens, I'll just disappear in shame until next playoff season, lol

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I only scanned the last several posts. I'm sure I'm not completely up to speed on everything that's been written on LGW.

It just seemed like "here we go again. If the wings are going to win, Howard needs to stand on his head. Howard proceeds not to stand on his head and the Wings lose. Ergo, Howard is a bum."

I hear it from other people, I see it on other sites, and I thought I was seeing it again here.

FWIW, I think my game 3-4 key is the power play. I expect Detroit to play with a jump back at the Joe, and think playing at home will help with the zebras. What they do with those chances will probably have a lot to do with how the series stands going back to Boston.

Unless Howie follows up game 2 by giving up a six-spot in game 3. If that happens, I'll just disappear in shame until next playoff season, lol

I like Jimmy. He's had a rough year but I think he's a good goalie. He does play the puck like crap though. I agree on the power play. Special teams are key here.

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To be fair, this thread was started in February...of 2013. That's over a year ago. It's a thread that is basically calling Howard an average goalie, with no skills that make him exceptional. There was another thread that was praising Howard, and it started fairly recently, but it was locked because it was going to turn into a "Bash Howard" thread.

I agree that nobody has blamed Howard for yesterday's loss, but he is getting called out for his completely stupid play that lead to Boston's first goal. I fully believe that Jimmy is to blame for that one, 100%. If I were a high school football coach, I'd say 115%. Let's be realistic guys...a goal like that can change a game on such a high level. It's one that Booins should not have had. Of course, if Glendenning is our only goal scorer, there's no way to win, so it's on everybody.

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His puck handling wouldn't even be a big deal if he didn't try to handle it all the time. Play to your strengths, Howard. Cover that puck if you need to.

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His puck handling wouldn't even be a big deal if he didn't try to handle it all the time. Play to your strengths, Howard. Cover that puck if you need to.

Lol. Wings fans one game: Jimmy needs to stop covering the puck and play it more. He needs to work on it, he won't get better at it unless he works at it.

Next game : Jimmy needs to stop playing the puck, just cover it all the time

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Lol. Wings fans one game: Jimmy needs to stop covering the puck and play it more. He needs to work on it, he won't get better at it unless he works at it.

Next game : Jimmy needs to stop playing the puck, just cover it all the time

You know different people are allowed to have different opinions, right?

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You know different people are allowed to have different opinions, right?

Yup. And my opinion is that it's amusing that one day everyone wants Jimmy to play the puck, then when he does, everyone wants him to stop.

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Lol. Wings fans one game: Jimmy needs to stop covering the puck and play it more. He needs to work on it, he won't get better at it unless he works at it.

Next game : Jimmy needs to stop playing the puck, just cover it all the time

He can work on it some other time than during this playoff series.

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Yup. And my opinion is that it's amusing that one day everyone wants Jimmy to play the puck, then when he does, everyone wants him to stop.

I think people just want Jimmy to learn how to play the puck well, which may be unfair/unrealistic. The problem with the play he made last game (besides the effectively changing the complexion of the game/series to that point) was that he could have done practically anything else with puck and had a better result. He panicked and played "hot potato" with his d-man's hip, so the puck ended up in his goal.

Not because he played the puck. Not because of a bad break. Because he panicked. I can't think of a worse thing for a goaltender to do on the big stage, especially when he isn't playing the greatest to begin with.

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I think people just want Jimmy to learn how to play the puck well, which may be unfair/unrealistic. The problem with the play he made last game (besides the effectively changing the complexion of the game/series to that point) was that he could have done practically anything else with puck and had a better result. He panicked and played "hot potato" with his d-man's hip, so the puck ended up in his goal.

Not because he played the puck. Not because of a bad break. Because he panicked. I can't think of a worse thing for a goaltender to do on the big stage, especially when he isn't playing the greatest to begin with.

I agree. I also don't think this is the right time for him to be "learning" to play the puck. I was talking about a lot of people saying he should, and saying stuff like Hasek did it, even though he wasn't good at it, so Jimmy should. I like the way he played it in game 1, not in game 2

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Yup. And my opinion is that it's amusing that one day everyone wants Jimmy to play the puck, then when he does, everyone wants him to stop.

Since you quoted me I might as well point out that I have never, ever called for Howard to play the puck in my entire life that I can remember.

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Since you quoted me I might as well point out that I have never, ever called for Howard to play the puck in my entire life that I can remember.

This was my point. You took what 3 people said, compared it to what 3 different people said, and made a huge generalization about what an entire fanbase wants.

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This was my point. You took what 3 people said, compared it to what 3 different people said, and made a huge generalization about what an entire fanbase wants.

No. I took what one person said, and what one other person said and used them as an example. You mean to tell me most of the fans weren't saying Howard needs to play the puck more, and then after two games of it changed their mind? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen a lot of people doing it.

I'm sorry but Howard is below average right now. He had that one hot game and then looks shaky - this guy can't build confidence.

He's been the only somewhat bright spot against the best team in the league

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No. I took what one person said, and what one other person said and used them as an example. You mean to tell me most of the fans weren't saying Howard needs to play the puck more, and then after two games of it changed their mind? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen a lot of people doing it.

He's been the only somewhat bright spot against the best team in the league

Even worse if you only used one person from each position! Yes, I was saying he should play the puck more. It's my own opinion and only my own. Anybody else is free to have their own opinion about what he should do. It makes total sense that I was saying what I want when I'm not getting it, and they would say what they want when they're not getting it.

(By the way, I never ever imagined that Howie would, on a whim, decide to start playing the puck in between the last game of the reg. season (which he didn't play in) and the start of the most important games of the year. Although I DO appreciate the fact that he came around to what happens to be my position, THIS IS NOT THE BEST TIME FOR THIS HOWIE!!)

But yeah, I'm gonna say you're wrong here. Had you said "some of" or "a couple of people" I don't think I would have had a problem with what you said. But again, you made a huge generalization, saying "Wings fans" (implying all wings fans), Everybody (meaning everybody!), and Everybody (again!). You didn't stop to think that maybe different people have different ideas about how situations should be handled.

If you look back in the GDT to when that first goal was scored, you'd see that *some* people think he should improve his stick-handling so that kind of thing doesn't happen, while *a few others* think he shouldn't try to play the puck at all.

I don't know where people have gotten this notion that ALL fans must agree on every little thing. That's absurd.

I don't know why changing your mind (if anybody even did), after seeing the other side of the situation, would be such a bad thing. It isn't.

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Even worse if you only used one person from each position! Yes, I was saying he should play the puck more. It's my own opinion and only my own. Anybody else is free to have their own opinion about what he should do. It makes total sense that I was saying what I want when I'm not getting it, and they would say what they want when they're not getting it.

(By the way, I never ever imagined that Howie would, on a whim, decide to start playing the puck in between the last game of the reg. season (which he didn't play in) and the start of the most important games of the year. Although I DO appreciate the fact that he came around to what happens to be my position, THIS IS NOT THE BEST TIME FOR THIS HOWIE!!)

But yeah, I'm gonna say you're wrong here. Had you said "some of" or "a couple of people" I don't think I would have had a problem with what you said. But again, you made a huge generalization, saying "Wings fans" (implying all wings fans), Everybody (meaning everybody!), and Everybody (again!). You didn't stop to think that maybe different people have different ideas about how situations should be handled.

If you look back in the GDT to when that first goal was scored, you'd see that *some* people think he should improve his stick-handling so that kind of thing doesn't happen, while *a few others* think he shouldn't try to play the puck at all.

I don't know where people have gotten this notion that ALL fans must agree on every little thing. That's absurd.

I don't know why changing your mind (if anybody even did), after seeing the other side of the situation, would be such a bad thing. It isn't.

You're blowing a simple observation way out of proportion. If that's your opinion that's fine, I used opposite opinions as an example, but as I said I have seen many other people jump ship both ways when it doesn't work. I think he should play the puck more as well, if he feels comfortable, but not at the risk of turning it over in the playoffs

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You're blowing a simple observation way out of proportion. If that's your opinion that's fine, I used opposite opinions as an example, but as I said I have seen many other people jump ship both ways when it doesn't work. I think he should play the puck more as well, if he feels comfortable, but not at the risk of turning it over in the playoffs

It was just too much of an oversimplification. Didn't mean to jump down your throat or anything.

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PO numbers through last night, Howard is 4th in save % at .931 and 4th in GAA at 2.05. How do some of the "better" goalies rate? Lets look:

Miller .897 and 2.70

nemmi .884 and 3.74

price .916 2.28

Lundquist .923 and 2.08

Seems to me that "average" Howard out played all of those guys. Be very careful what you wish for in life......

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PO numbers through last night, Howard is 4th in save % at .931 and 4th in GAA at 2.05. How do some of the "better" goalies rate? Lets look:

Miller .897 and 2.70

nemmi .884 and 3.74

price .916 2.28

Lundquist .923 and 2.08

Seems to me that "average" Howard out played all of those guys. Be very careful what you wish for in life......

but miller is better and all those things...

stats prove otherwise

but... but.. miller is better and all those things

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I wouldn't say Howie is average, but I definitely see a goalie controversy on the horizon. At no fault of Howard's, Mrazek is going to be pushing for the starting job in 2-3 seasons - next season if they don't re-sign Monster.

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