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#601 The Axe

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:27 AM

Howard is the MVP this playoffs. I'm proud of him. And let me point out that I was critical of him for not having great playoff performances his first few seasons. He's started to become a good veteran goaltender. Good for you Jimmy.


Agreed. He's solid.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:37 AM

At the beginning of the playoffs in games 1-3 of the ducks series, he looked like the same Howard of the past playoff years, but he really stepped his game up starting in game 4 of that series and hasn't looked back since.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:52 PM

At the beginning of the playoffs in games 1-3 of the ducks series, he looked like the same Howard of the past playoff years, but he really stepped his game up starting in game 4 of that series and hasn't looked back since.

 

he didn't have much help either though



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Posted 21 May 2013 - 04:34 PM

 

he didn't have much help either though

The way I see it is, this is the best playoffs howard has had since coming into the league and he's doing it without Lidstrom, Rafalski and Stuart. In his first few years he didn't have an excuse for his mediocre play. But the fact that he's doing so great WITHOUT the three, shows how much he's matured and how good of a leader he's becoming. Good stuff.



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Posted 21 May 2013 - 05:13 PM

Come on, guys... he's only good because he has Spectral Lidstrom playing in front of him...



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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:11 PM

Come on, guys... he's only good because he has Spectral Lidstrom playing in front of him...


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 08:15 PM

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Is he part of the problem?


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 09:07 PM

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Is he part of the problem?

 

(Jim Bedard I presume?) Is he inconsistently coaching? 



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Posted 05 December 2013 - 09:12 PM

I would have said Howard was above average before this season. He hasn't "stolen" and games I can think of this season - which a starting goalie should do from time to time. Within this CURRENT team - Howard is an average goalie. I argue that Crawford would look just as average if he played on this team - neither are top calibre goalies in my mind. 


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Posted 06 December 2013 - 02:00 AM

He just isn't playing as well as last season (or other seasons).

 

Doesn't make him a bad (or average) goalie.  He's a good goalie who is out of form right now. 


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Posted 06 December 2013 - 02:04 AM

It's the phenomenon where a player gets a big contract and the first year flops ... pressure to live up to the expectation.  As I said in another thread, we may have to come to terms that this is going to be a downer year for him ... call it an MAF year.  Let's hope he bounces back next year.  He is average this year ... let's not sugar coat this.  



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 02:50 AM

Brodeur would be average on this team of Dan cleary and Sammy's.

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 06:52 AM

It's not that difficult, the Monster has been playing well so why not start him till Howy is getting his game gback seems like a no brainer to me.


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Posted 06 December 2013 - 10:38 AM

How does Howie get his game back on the pine?


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Posted 06 December 2013 - 11:57 AM

How does Howie get his game back on the pine?

 

This is a valid concern. However, it's all about getting points. Right now Gus is doing a good job of that, Babs has to balance winning with getting Howard going.


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Posted 06 December 2013 - 12:04 PM

 

This is a valid concern. However, it's all about getting points. Right now Gus is doing a good job of that, Babs has to balance winning with getting Howard going.

 

I'm almost certain that Gustavsson would have lost that game also. The Flyers were allowed too many open shots from soft areas.


I would have said Howard was above average before this season. He hasn't "stolen" and games I can think of this season - which a starting goalie should do from time to time. Within this CURRENT team - Howard is an average goalie. I argue that Crawford would look just as average if he played on this team - neither are top calibre goalies in my mind. 

 

He came damned close to stealing some games, but there are shots that no goalie can stop.


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Posted 06 December 2013 - 12:24 PM

i don't think howard has played bad this year. however, i do think he is below his level of play the last few season. and now that he has that fairly large contract, he is looked at to be a guy that can make saves and win games. we often look at goals and say 'well it was the defensemans fault the goalie had no chance' and thats understandable, but to me, elite goalies are the ones making saves they have no business getting to. i always think back to those playoff series we had against the flames and kiprusoff... that dude made saves that no one should have made. and that to me is what defines a top level goalie. they not only stop all the shots they are expected to, but also some that they aren't.

 

for several years our D has been bad and we have given up way too many odd man chances the last few years. and i feel howie has always gotten his share of saves that were of the elite quality. thats why i have always been a supporter when others haven't been. we look at some softies or something but ignore all the high quality saves he wouldnt have t make if our defense wasnt swiss cheese.

 

so with that said, i think he's just been ok. however, gustafsson has been good. i think a lot has been luck with rebounds and posts and all that, but a lot of times, thats all a goalie needs. personally, i think they should continue to give gustafsson a decent amount of starts. let howard rest. he has played a lot of games the last few seasons and i feel it hurts us in the playoffs. let him get rest now so at the end of the year he hasnt been in 65+ games again.

 

howard will get out of this funk eventually. hopefully the wings have enough healthy forwards to win some games between now and then!


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#618 Larryd

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 12:52 PM

Howard is paid big bucks to stop goals, you can't blame any other players for not doing his job.

I think Gus is a much better player.

Howard.....well, he's a very bad sport



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 01:07 PM

Howard is paid big bucks to stop goals, you can't blame any other players for not doing his job.

I think Gus is a much better player.

Howard.....well, he's a very bad sport

 

I agree Howie is paid a lot to stop pucks and he is not right now but how is he a bad sport? He is having a bad stretch like how many other players on this team have or are still? The thing that endeared me to Howard is his ability to continually learn, grow and bounce back and I have no doubt he will. I would still play the hot goalie more and right now that is Monster.



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 01:15 PM

Howard is paid big bucks to stop goals

And defenders are paid big bucks to cover players and clear them from the goalies sightline. Those were the main problems against Philly. Cant put it all on Howard when his defense is not doing there job.

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