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#61 gowings00

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:08 PM

Another good thing about all these young guys getting exposure and doing well....better trade value. I know it would be hard to let any of them go at this point but we still need a top line defenseman and another sniper. Thoughts?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

Where did I say he did nothing?. And my comment was not based just on point production. I based it on the impact being made on the game. Tatar has a knack for being in the spots where the puck finds him. Like Brunner has shown. Tatar hasn't had the luxury of playing with the top line as much as Nyquist did. There are plenty of times where Nyquist disappears where as Tatar seems to be making atleast a small impact on most shifts. Now this could change quickly and he has a dip in form like most rookies do but in my humble opinion Tatar has done 100% more with his chance in the NHL than Nyquist has. 

 

Nyquist played on top lines last year? Are you sure?

 

Yeah, he had part of two games this season up there in the top 6. But are you really going to make a judgement on 2 games?

 

Nyquist is going to be a really good player, he's only had about 60 games of AHL hockey in our system compared to Tatar's 204 games, yet he's the one that got to call up last year.

 

They are both really good, and I look forward to seeing both in the top 6 for years to come. I just don't see how you can be negative about Nyquist, he's a play making winger, yet played 9:54 a game last season on the 4th line.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

Nyquist played on top lines last year? Are you sure?

 

Yeah, he had part of two games this season up there in the top 6. But are you really going to make a judgement on 2 games?

 

Nyquist is going to be a really good player, he's only had about 60 games of AHL hockey in our system compared to Tatar's 204 games, yet he's the one that got to call up last year.

 

They are both really good, and I look forward to seeing both in the top 6 for years to come. I just don't see how you can be negative about Nyquist, he's a play making winger, yet played 9:54 a game last season on the 4th line.

 

A significant portion of his games last year where on a line with Datsyuk when either Franzen or Bert were out of the lineup. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:29 PM

A significant portion of his games last year where on a line with Datsyuk when either Franzen or Bert were out of the lineup. 

6 games he played over 12 minutes, 2 games he played over 15 minutes, 9 games he played under 12 minutes.

 

Over half his games he was getting tootoo minutes of 5 minutes to 10 minutes.

 

Sorry but the majority of Nyquist's ice time was with Drew Miller and Abdelkader(4th most frequent even strength line combination last year),

http://www.leftwingl...=F&gametype=1#A

 

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:36 PM

6 games he played over 12 minutes, 2 games he played over 15 minutes, 9 games he played under 12 minutes.

 

Over half his games he was getting tootoo minutes of 5 minutes to 10 minutes.

 

Sorry but the majority of Nyquist's ice time was with Drew Miller and Abdelkader(4th most frequent even strength line combination last year),

http://www.leftwingl...=F&gametype=1#A

 

Don't mean to try and call people out, but I like dealing in the real world where facts matter.

 

Ok, he played with Miller and Abby more than Datyuk.  However he still played with Dats, Z, and Franzen. 

 

Tatar doesn't play with Zetterberg, Franzen, or Datsyuk AT ALL and is producing at a better rate.  Gustav didn't, regardless of who his linemates were. 


Edited by kipwinger, 26 February 2013 - 08:45 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

He didn't play on the powerplay last season, hence having fewer minutes.  His frequent linemate, nonetheless, was Datsyuk. 

 

He averaged 10:35  a game last season, only 2 more seconds than Chris Conner recieved, and less than 12 other forwards. if he played on the second unit he would get 3 more minutes a game which would put him at 13:35, or the average ice time, which isn't close to top 6 minutes.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:52 PM

He averaged 10:35  a game last season, only 2 more seconds than Chris Conner recieved, and less than 12 other forwards. if he played on the second unit he would get 3 more minutes a game which would put him at 13:35, or the average ice time, which isn't close to top 6 minutes.

 

I've amended my previous post as you're correct on the ice time.  However, if you think that he didn't play on the top lines at all you're diluting yourself.  He did.  And he certainly did more than Tatar has to this point. 


Edited by kipwinger, 26 February 2013 - 08:52 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:52 PM

I've amended my previous post as you're correct on the ice time.  However, if you think that he didn't play on the top lines at all you're diluting yourself.  He did.  And he certainly did more than Tatar has to this point. 

Yeah, he did. And I'm not saying that Tatar isn't doing awesome right now. I'm just defending Nyquist, he's still extremely promising, and just because Tatar passed him up so far this year, says more to Tatar really doing well, than Nyquist not. That's all I'm saying.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

Yeah, he did. And I'm not saying that Tatar isn't doing awesome right now. I'm just defending Nyquist, he's still extremely promising, and just because Tatar passed him up so far this year, says more to Tatar really doing well, than Nyquist not. That's all I'm saying.

 

That's reasonable.  I certainly don't want to make it seem like I don't think Nyquist is a talented player with a decent future.  But if Tatar hasn't earned his way onto the top six with his play, I don't see how other people's call for bringing in Nyquist for that role are justified. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:05 PM

6 games he played over 12 minutes, 2 games he played over 15 minutes, 9 games he played under 12 minutes.

 

Over half his games he was getting tootoo minutes of 5 minutes to 10 minutes.

 

Sorry but the majority of Nyquist's ice time was with Drew Miller and Abdelkader(4th most frequent even strength line combination last year),

http://www.leftwingl...=F&gametype=1#A

 

Don't mean to try and call people out, but I like dealing in the real world where facts matter.

 

Your link covers only the last game of last season, Not the entire year, 

 

Nyquist's most common linemates for the season were Bertuzzi and Datsyuk.

 

Link

 

Even this season Nyquist's most common line-mates have been Flip and Abdelkader or Flip and Franzen. He may not get much ice-time but he's had more support with him than Tatar.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:10 PM

For me Nyquist just hasn't passed the eye test. Tatar has.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:14 PM

Tatar definitely plays a more north/south hustle, go to the hard areas, etc. sort of game.  Nyquist clearly has the more dazzling skill set, but I think as wings fans we've watched Pavel so long that we tend to want to see that razzle dazzle all the time, and we think it translates easily to the NHL game.  It really doesn't.  In almost every other instance the best offensive players in the league are the guys that play a simpler, more aggressive, direct sort of game. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:20 PM

Your link covers only the last game of last season, Not the entire year, 

 

Nyquist's most common linemates for the season were Bertuzzi and Datsyuk.

 

Link

 

Even this season Nyquist's most common line-mates have been Flip and Abdelkader or Flip and Franzen. He may not get much ice-time but he's had more support with him than Tatar.

Good catch, thought that looked weird.

 

Either way both players are good, Tatar has really impressed so far. That's all I'm trying to get across.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:13 PM

Exactly..I would rather have Tatar and Andersson up right now, they have played their roles..Nyquist has not fit into any of the roles they have tried to put him in so far.

 

Last time I checked, didnt he only play like 2 games? This guy has been great, overachieved our expectations, and is clearly one of the most talented players not in the NHL. I personally find it hard to understand that after ripping up the AHL before the season started, and with the rash of injuries, that this kid hasnt played up here much more. He is older than Tatar and has outplayed him (although only slightly) and is clearly the more talented offensive and defensive player. I'm all for the the Wings development program but i think the proof is in the pudding this year, the kids are vastly outplaying the borderline veterans (who's names arent Maltby, Holmstrom, or Draper, so they dont need super special treatment). We are clearly in transition and Nyquist deserves a spot on the big club.



6 games he played over 12 minutes, 2 games he played over 15 minutes, 9 games he played under 12 minutes.

 

Over half his games he was getting tootoo minutes of 5 minutes to 10 minutes.

 

Sorry but the majority of Nyquist's ice time was with Drew Miller and Abdelkader(4th most frequent even strength line combination last year),

http://www.leftwingl...=F&gametype=1#A

 

Don't mean to try and call people out, but I like dealing in the real world where facts matter.

 

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For me Nyquist just hasn't passed the eye test. Tatar has.

 

I can't understand that. Tatar looks like Hudler 2.0 (although I like him more). Nyquist looks like he has the upside Filppula, except better, more creative, and more consistent. Nyquist gives me hope that we could transition after Dats and Z leave. I think him and Jarnkrok are the future.


Edited by achildr1, 26 February 2013 - 10:27 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:45 PM

There you go, on Datsyuk's wing he had 7 points, only one of which was a goal.  That's the point I was trying to make, that even on Datsyuk's wing Nyquist is not likely to score a bunch of goals because goal scoring is not his thing, playmaking is. 

 

I wasn't trying to say that he isn't any good, I was just responding to GMR who suggested that Nyquist should be on Datsyuk's wing because Datsyuk doesn't score a lot of goals.  My response:  Neither does Nyquist.  They're both pass first, playmakers.

Nyquist has been working on shooting more since last year and has a much better balance now.  Dats is also shooting more, and really if you add Tatar to that line then you have a guy that really likes to shoot.  Nyquist is also good on the defensive end too so instead of signing spare parts this offseason aside from Tootoo, it would have been just as productive to have Gus on the 3rd line.  I agree with your assessment that he's more of a playmaker, but at the same time, a playmaker with Gus and Dats' skill they could make some nasty passing plays.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 10:57 PM

We cant have an all 5'10" soft euro playmaker team. We need checkers and snipes too.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:24 AM

A line of Tatar, Datsyuk, and Nyquist would be dangerously small. Datsyuk can hold his own against players of any size, but the other two cannot.



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 05:20 AM

I agree with Crymson, they would need to be split up.  I could see Tatar going with Datsyuk and Cleary or Abby.  The three of them together however, I'm thinking it would be hard to watch them get physically dominated.



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:04 AM

I agree.

 

I'm not dogging Gusteve Nyzerman, I think he has a future with the team, but right now there is no place where he would fit in and help the team. He needs all the AHL he can get, so he can add a little edge to that 5-11 185lb game.

 

  Right now Datsyuk is playing with Abdelkader and Cleary...Just sayin


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 09:30 PM

 
  Right now Datsyuk is playing with Abdelkader and Cleary...Just sayin


Right. Nyquist is clearly more skilled and bigger than Tatar. I dont see how Nyquist needs all the AHL he can get for his "frame" when he's out performed, is mre skilled, and is bigger than Tatar. Abdelkader is usless and will probably never be better than he is now and Cleary is 2 days from retirement. How is Nyquist playing with Datsyuk instead of in the AHL gonna hurt his development?





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