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GMRwings1983

No Scoring and No Fighting

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Interesting thought from Elliotte Friedman:

"Nugent-Hopkins, after leading most of the way, ended up second behind John Tavares in ice-time per game among forwards. Why is scoring down? Tavares’ total was 20:40. If you go back to 1997-98, the earliest season available on NHL.com, that number would have placed him 28th in the league, 4:17 behind leader Theo Fleury."

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It wouldn't even be close, Lesnar is a freak of nature. I would pay money to see Lesnar on skates give McGrattan an F5 though! Then if you had Heyman skate out to cut a promo, best moment ever! lol.

You know, Lesnar is from Minnesota, so he has to know how to skate and have hockey experience. You'd think, right? Kenny should look into it this summer.

Interesting thought from Elliotte Friedman:

"Nugent-Hopkins, after leading most of the way, ended up second behind John Tavares in ice-time per game among forwards. Why is scoring down? Tavares’ total was 20:40. If you go back to 1997-98, the earliest season available on NHL.com, that number would have placed him 28th in the league, 4:17 behind leader Theo Fleury."

Yeah, the star players get more rest now with ice time. That has to do with balanced lines.

But I'd rather see star players play big minutes and goons on the 4th line, rather than see star players play less minutes and 4th line jobbers (especially of the euro kind) playing more minutes than before.

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Have to go with Lesnar. McGrattan is the best fighter in hockey, though. He's only fought one fight in the AHL this season because nobody wants to challenge him.

But the NHL is always trying to grow the game beyond its niche. The only thing that ends up growing, though, is the goalies' equipment.

As a side note, Datsyuk would easily hit 100 points if he played in a different era and had real linemates.

This is the biggest problem I have with the NHL, and will continue to have until we have someone who truly cares about the sport as commissioner.

If the NHL accepted it's status as a niche sport, and reached out to and poured it's energy into marketing the game towards that fan base that will truly never leave, things would be a lot rosier IMO.

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This is the biggest problem I have with the NHL, and will continue to have until we have someone who truly cares about the sport as commissioner.

If the NHL accepted it's status as a niche sport, and reached out to and poured it's energy into marketing the game towards that fan base that will truly never leave, things would be a lot rosier IMO.

Well said it's nice following a niche sport, no need to grow the game. It's better to make the fans that are already there happy than trying to alienate them and adding a few "new" fans.

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Joseph Conrad would be proud of this paragraph.

Best contribution to the thread.

Re the wider discussion, scores have declined somewhat in the last 20 years in most sports with a similar scoring system. Professionalism and money. If winning is worth millions and is watched by millions and gives you a 1 in a million social status, whether player or coach, you're going to make sure you get the margins right. Fitness, training, psychology, tactical preparation have all been transformed.

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is it the fighting that has effected the former goons or the drugs/booze? name a former goon that wasn't an addict that has health issues. Grimson was always clean and to date hasn't shown any health issues that I am aware of. Gordie was one of the toughest ever and is in his mid 80's before a stroke slowed him down.

When Probert died everyone was quick to talk about all his fights but very few mentioned the long term serious drug use. McCarty has the same thing with booze.

Of course this is a side issue.....

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is it the fighting that has effected the former goons or the drugs/booze? name a former goon that wasn't an addict that has health issues. Grimson was always clean and to date hasn't shown any health issues that I am aware of. Gordie was one of the toughest ever and is in his mid 80's before a stroke slowed him down.

When Probert died everyone was quick to talk about all his fights but very few mentioned the long term serious drug use. McCarty has the same thing with booze.

Of course this is a side issue.....

CTE directly contributes to mental health issues, including substance abuse, depression, and suicide. It's not a side issue, it's almost certainly a primary factor in many of these cases.

Edit: Also, one of the more common symptoms of CTE is dementia, so I wouldn't go holding up Gordie Howe as some sort of example. Terrible Ted might be a better choice.

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is it the fighting that has effected the former goons or the drugs/booze? name a former goon that wasn't an addict that has health issues. Grimson was always clean and to date hasn't shown any health issues that I am aware of. Gordie was one of the toughest ever and is in his mid 80's before a stroke slowed him down.

When Probert died everyone was quick to talk about all his fights but very few mentioned the long term serious drug use. McCarty has the same thing with booze.

Of course this is a side issue.....

The argument is that concussions can lead to depression, and that depression can lead to substance abuse problems.

I'm sure in come cases this is accurate, in some cases its not.

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