DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 Let me try this again Chelios played a lot of games, minutes, hockey Bobby Orr didn't play a lot of hockey games Get the point? Hmmm maybe.... Not..... I'm not the one that made one of the dumbest comparisons to ever be posted on this board. Lidstrom's name should only be compared to the greats. Not Seabrook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) I'm not the one that made one of the dumbest comparisons to ever be posted on this board. Lidstrom's name should only be compared to the greats. Not Seabrook. I didn't say they were comparable in skill and talent now did I? Where in the hell did I say that Get off your soap box; was a general comparison that defenseman can play for a long time Hence why I came at it with a different angle with Cheli who played a s*** ton of games and minutes and not in the same category as Lids yet then I brought up Orr who is comparable to Lids but didn't play as much but had a great career Yes I been fired up and you just added fuel to the fire... Don't poke the bear don't rattle the cage Edited September 28, 2015 by Rivalred Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 I didn't say they were comparable in skill and talent now did I? Where in the hell did I say that Get off your soap box; was a general comparison that defenseman can play for a long time Hence why I came at it with a different angle with Cheli who played a s*** ton of games and minutes and it's the in the same category as Lids yet then I brought up Orr who is comparable to Lids but didn't play as much but had a great career Yes I been fired up and you just added fuel to the fire... Don't poke the bear don't rattle the cage Lids played a lot of hockey, minutes, and games. Just remember that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 Not even going to try to have an intelligent conversation at this point anymore Good for Chicago, good for Seabrook Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 Not even going to try to have an intelligent conversation at this point anymore Good for Chicago, good for Seabrook Good choice for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 Good choice for you. At this point you are flaming and trying to instigate 1 Dr Dubya reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 At this point you are flaming and trying to instigateYou insulted his ability to have an intelligent conversation, and told him "not to poke the bear" or "rattle the cage", yet you feel like he's the one instigating? 4 sjr2012, kickazz, DatsyukianDekes and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 You insulted his ability to have an intelligent conversation, and told him "not to poke the bear" or "rattle the cage", yet you feel like he's the one instigating? Why oh why would you get involved in this? It's like sticking your penis in a beehive. 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 Nothing to get involved with, it is over and done with. Constructive conversation on hockey and the realms that encompass is what is needed and two members going at it as such is not productive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 I'm not really sure that defenseman are more or less likely to have a long career than forwards are. I mean, there are quite a few recent examples of forwards who played well into their 40's as well. I think the determining factor is A) what type of game do you play, and B) what kind of injury history do you have. Lidstrom played a really long time because he was relatively healthy throughout his entire career, and his body didn't wear out as a result of getting pummeled for 20 years. Orr's career was short because he had injury issues. Robyn Regehr retired at 35 because he played such a physically grueling style for a number of years. There's really no recipe. If I had to handicap it I'd say Seabrook will see the end of the contract without losing too much off his game. While he does play a relatively physical game, he's not had too many injuries, and his usage will likely get easier as he ages. His offense will probably suffer as he gets older, but nobody ever relied on him for offense anyway. He'll be a capable, 38 year old, stay at home defender, leader, and all around steady blueline presence who puts up 20-25 points. And none of that will be worth 6 million bucks. But it will be a good contract for the next 4-5 years. Which is all Chicago really wants from him anyway. 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 Kip thank you for expanding on the conversation Kip, that is spot on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 I don't think it's a horrible signing, but it certainly continues in the (now) long-standing tradition of "questionable" cap management in Chicago. I say "questionable" only because while they're pressing their luck in a lot of ways, up to this point it really hasn't bitten them in the ass as much as people thought it would. As far as who the next to the block to fix any cap woes: Bickell is an obvious choice, as he was rumored to be a movable piece this off-season. You could always move Hossa. He's aging, but it's not as if he's in decline and he could net you some really good pieces. Maybe Shaw goes the way of Saad, in that move that most people don't think is going to happen but surprisingly does. 1 DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 Bickell will be gone, and the Hawks have a few young talented forwards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 I don't think it's a horrible signing, but it certainly continues in the (now) long-standing tradition of "questionable" cap management in Chicago. I say "questionable" only because while they're pressing their luck in a lot of ways, up to this point it really hasn't bitten them in the ass as much as people thought it would. As far as who the next to the block to fix any cap woes: Bickell is an obvious choice, as he was rumored to be a movable piece this off-season. You could always move Hossa. He's aging, but it's not as if he's in decline and he could net you some really good pieces. Maybe Shaw goes the way of Saad, in that move that most people don't think is going to happen but surprisingly does. I doubt they would move Hossa. I'm not sure he would net really good pieces anyway because that contract isn't wholly attractive. He's signed for 6 more years at 5.275 which will bring him to 42. He's still worth it, but I think you'd be taking a majority of downside years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 Why oh why would you get involved in this? It's like sticking your penis in a beehive.Sometimes, its the only way to get honey. 1 DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted September 28, 2015 Sometimes, its the only way to get honey. Awesome Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrazekFanBoy 223 Report post Posted September 29, 2015 Top five d-man in the league i'd say in no particular order Suter Weber Keith Hedman Doughty 1 frankgrimes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted September 29, 2015 Sometimes, its the only way to get honey. Is that what they mean, when they say love hurts? 1 jimmyemeryhunter reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyemeryhunter 2,747 Report post Posted September 29, 2015 Is that what they mean, when they say love hurts? Definitely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
