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Former Red Wing, Drew Miller gets PTO with Blackhawks

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18 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

You missed the part about it being stupid for us trying to rebuild and develop players. I'll say it again, Miller has no place on this team, and fortunately for us, he won't be on this team.

Well we weren't rebuilding in 2014 or 2015 and people still seemed to have an issue with him (and Dan Cleary) being on here. Cuz Holland. 

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56 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Well we weren't rebuilding in 2014 or 2015 and people still seemed to have an issue with him (and Dan Cleary) being on here. Cuz Holland. 

You fail to realize a great percentage of people believe we should have started rebuilding the day #5 hung em up.  You aren't going to win in today's NHL without a dynamic defenseman.

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2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.  I don't care about this question of yours, Señorita Flama Baita.  You and kickazz are the biggest offenders of the rules on here, but think you're so hardcore.  It's laughable.  And I do laugh!

I'm not sure why my question has upset you so much. I just want to know your opinion of Bowman if he signs miller.

When you calm down, I'd still like to know your opinion.

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1 hour ago, kickazz said:

Well we weren't rebuilding in 2014 or 2015 and people still seemed to have an issue with him (and Dan Cleary) being on here. Cuz Holland. 

Do you think Drew Miller was valuable to this team in those years? A total of 22 points in 3 seasons. But his defensive ability (aka getting hemmed in his own zone every shift) was second to none...

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1 hour ago, kliq said:

I'm not sure why my question has upset you so much. I just want to know your opinion of Bowman if he signs miller.

When you calm down, I'd still like to know your opinion.

I want to know why when I tell you I'm laughing, you think I'm upset.

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3 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

I want to know why when I tell you I'm laughing, you think I'm upset.

A person doesn't refuse to answer a question because they are laughing, they refuse to answer a question because the question upsets them.

Up to you, I'm just trying to have a conversation. I can't force you to answer.

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7 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Do you think Drew Miller was valuable to this team in those years? A total of 22 points in 3 seasons. But his defensive ability (aka getting hemmed in his own zone every shift) was second to none...

Right so, why would it be good for anyone if he goes to Chicago? 

My point is the Wings get damned if Miller plays here circa 2014, but if the genius Bowman signs him, apparently it's not so bad. 

8 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

You fail to realize a great percentage of people believe we should have started rebuilding the day #5 hung em up.  You aren't going to win in today's NHL without a dynamic defenseman.

No. When Lidstrom retired we pursued free agency with Parise and Suter; a great percentage wanted that, not a rebuild. Nice try, now all eyes on you for cowering to kliq's question.

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3 hours ago, kickazz said:

Right so, why would it be good for anyone if he goes to Chicago? 

My point is the Wings get damned if Miller plays here circa 2014, but if the genius Bowman signs him, apparently it's not so bad. 

I don't think I need to state why another contract (from any team) would be good for Miller. As for Bowman (or another GM), if he sees Miller as viable option as a 12th / 13th forward, playing sparingly on the 4th line / penalty kill, good for him as well. I think the Hawks have better options, but what do I know...

As for your "point"... The Wings should "get damned" if Miller receives another contract, because there is no spot on this team for him, hence the reason he wasn't offered another contract (thankfully). But if the "genius Bowman" signs him, why would anyone here care? I don't know about you, but I could care less what s***ty players other teams sign to league minimum contracts. Mark my words though, Hawks fans would b**** and complain just as much as us Wings fans would if Miller gets a contract with them.

I don't think he will receive a contract from Chicago though, but again, if he does, good on him...

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1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

I don't think I need to state why another contract (from any team) would be good for Miller. As for Bowman (or another GM), if he sees Miller as viable option as a 12th / 13th forward, playing sparingly on the 4th line / penalty kill, good for him as well. I think the Hawks have better options, but what do I know...

As for your "point"... The Wings should "get damned" if Miller receives another contract, because there is no spot on this team for him, hence the reason he wasn't offered another contract (thankfully). But if the "genius Bowman" signs him, why would anyone here care? I don't know about you, but I could care less what s***ty players other teams sign to league minimum contracts. Mark my words though, Hawks fans would b**** and complain just as much as us Wings fans would if Miller gets a contract with them.

I don't think he will receive a contract from Chicago though, but again, if he does, good on him...

Chicago has prospects just like we do, that could be 12th/13th forwards. 

They're in the same situation as the Wings when it comes to Miller so not sure anyone would think why its okay if he signs there but not here, from a practical standpoint. I'm assuming it's a bias against Holland. 

Bowman can do no wrong. 

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1 hour ago, kickazz said:

Chicago has prospects just like we do, that could be 12th/13th forwards. 

They're in the same situation as the Wings when it comes to Miller so not sure anyone would think why its okay if he signs there but not here, from a practical standpoint. I'm assuming it's a bias against Holland. 

Bowman can do no wrong. 

What are you talking about? Are you even reading what you're responding to?

Here it is once again... It would be okay by me if Miller signs with Chicago. Why would that bother me or any other fan outside of Chicago? However, it would NOT be okay with most Hawks fans. I even said that I believe the Hawks have better options, just as we do, but again, why would anyone here get upset if Bowman signs a s***ty player?

I couldn't give less a s*** about Stan Bowman, and what he does with his team, good or bad. I've never really given an opinion on him, much less given any indication that I think he "can do not wrong"...

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8 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

What are you talking about? Are you even reading what you're responding to?

Here it is once again... It would be okay by me if Miller signs with Chicago. Why would that bother me or any other fan outside of Chicago? However, it would NOT be okay with most Hawks fans. I even said that I believe the Hawks have better options, just as we do, but again, why would anyone here get upset if Bowman signs a s***ty player?

I couldn't give less a s*** about Stan Bowman, and what he does with his team, good or bad. I've never really given an opinion on him, much less given any indication that I think he "can do not wrong"...

Right but when kliq asked what people would think of Bowman if Bowman signed him, you countered with "is Holland and idiot if Miller retires?" So why don't you answer both questions since you asked one and responded to the other with a question. I say Bowman is an idiot if he signs Miller. 

On 9/11/2017 at 8:33 PM, kliq said:

@Jonas Mahonas So if Chicago signs Miller, does this mean Bowman is an idiot that needs to be fired?

 

20 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

If Chicago (or any other team) doesn't sign Miller, and he retires, does this mean Holland is an idiot for keeping him as long as he did?

 

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1 hour ago, kickazz said:

Right but when kliq asked what people would think of Bowman if Bowman signed him, you countered with "is Holland and idiot if Miller retires?" So why don't you answer both questions since you asked one and responded to the other with a question. I say Bowman is an idiot if he signs Miller. 

It's pretty clear what I think of Miller as a NHL hockey player. So to answer the question, yes I think if any GM gives him a contract, it's a bad signing. Should they be fired for it? No. But in Holland's case, it would be just another of many bad moves over the past several seasons. If Holland has been doing well in other areas, and he made such a signing, it would be whatever, but that on top of everything else? He'd rightfully so, get s*** on by Wings fans, myself included.

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22 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

It's pretty clear what I think of Miller as a NHL hockey player. So to answer the question, yes I think if any GM gives him a contract, it's a bad signing. Should they be fired for it? No. But in Holland's case, it would be just another of many bad moves over the past several seasons. If Holland has been doing well in other areas, and he made such a signing, it would be whatever, but that on top of everything else? He'd rightfully so, get s*** on by Wings fans, myself included.

Doesn't matter, a bad signing would be a bad signing. So you would agree that Bowman would be an idiot if he signs Miller?

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16 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Doesn't matter, a bad signing would be a bad signing. So you would agree that Bowman would be an idiot if he signs Miller?

Why are you so fixated on this? Yes it does matter. Each player doesn't hold the same value to every team. Chicago may be looking for a veteran to sub in on the 4th line. We shouldn't be.

But sure, "Stan Bowman would be an idiot if he signs Drew Miller". Will that stop this pointless debate? Probably not...

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15 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Why are you so fixated on this? Yes it does matter. Each player doesn't hold the same value to every team. Chicago may be looking for a veteran to sub in on the 4th line. We shouldn't be.

But sure, "Stan Bowman would be an idiot if he signs Drew Miller". Will that stop this pointless debate? Probably not...

Because this is a thread about Chicago, Miller, and anything related to to the Hawks signing. And a question was asked about Bowman to which you (as many others around here) made it about Ken Holland. So I'm fixated on it thanks to your Holland plug. 

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14 hours ago, kliq said:

A person doesn't refuse to answer a question because they are laughing, they refuse to answer a question because the question upsets them.

Up to you, I'm just trying to have a conversation. I can't force you to answer.

Im distraught over your question.  Kept me up all night.

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1 minute ago, kickazz said:

Because this is a thread about Chicago, Miller, and anything related to to the Hawks signing. And a question was asked about Bowman to which you (as many others around here) made it about Ken Holland. So I'm fixated on it thanks to your Holland plug. 

I'm not the one that brought up Holland actually... kliq made a comment to Jonas, that didn't name Holland, but was referring to him indirectly. Then Jonas was the first to bring him up in his reply to kliq.

Holland shouldn't be brought up in every thread, but it's to be expected that he and / or the Red Wings are mentioned in some way when talking about a former Red Wing.

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20 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I'm not the one that brought up Holland actually... kliq made a comment to Jonas, that didn't name Holland, but was referring to him indirectly. Then Jonas was the first to bring him up in his reply to kliq.

Holland shouldn't be brought up in every thread, but it's to be expected that he and / or the Red Wings are mentioned in some way when talking about a former Red Wing.

What does Miller and Chicago have to do with Holland? Unless one is fishing to look into the past and complain more about a signing that happened year or years ago.

 

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1 minute ago, kickazz said:

What does Miller and Chicago have to do with Holland? Unless one is fishing to look into the past and complain more about a signing that happened year or years ago.

Ask kliq and Jonas, because like I said, I'm not the one that brought him up.

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4 minutes ago, kickazz said:

What does Miller and Chicago have to do with Holland? Unless one is fishing to look into the past and complain more about a signing that happened year or years ago.

 

Why does Holland discussion upset you so much?

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3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Ask kliq and Jonas, because like I said, I'm not the one that brought him up.

Kliq didnt bring Holland up,Jonas the notorius forum troll did, you just added fuel to the trolls fire thats all. 

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