Report: Detroit to name Steve Yzerman as GM

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 hour ago, kickazz said:

If Karlsson gets us into the playoffs or close to it, Yzerman would trade whoever and whatever to make our chances of winning happen. Karlsson would just be a stepping stone. 

I think you’re under that assumption that we sign Karlsson and that’s it.

Thats not how it works, at least not on this team. Look at what we did with bringing in Russian 5, then Hull, Robataile, and cap era with Schneider, then Rafalski, Hasek 3rd return for 07, Osgoods return, Brad Stuart. 

You know who made key trades to solidly his playoff team? Steve Yzerman w/ Lightening. The guy is known to take advantage of locking in guys as soon as he sees a window of opportunity for them to go far; or trade players away (Bishop, St Louis, Drouin) to replace them with younger or better options/assets. 

Unlike Holland, Yzerman doesn’t seem to have that loyalty of hanging on to guys; he seemed to constantly try and adapt the team into a better and better situation. 

Doubt we get Karlsson.  Again, point is it would be a positive snowball effect.

Karlsson, Trouba, Panarin. I’m all for these free agents and I believe Yzerman would do a good job of managing the situations. 

S a l a r y   C a p . . .

[kickazz 5,459]

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

S a l a r y   C a p . . .

Re-read my post. I already answered your "S a l a r y  C a p" point. 

 

Edited May 1, 2019 by kickazz

[krsmith17 7,191]

13 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Re-read my post. I already answered your "S a l a r y  C a p" point. 

 

I don't think you did... 

Anyway, I'm over this. I would absolutely love to have Karlsson on this team, but not near what he's going to command in free agency. I don't think it's going to happen anyway, so it seems like a lot of wasted time discussing...

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 hour ago, kickazz said:

If Karlsson gets us into the playoffs or close to it, Yzerman would trade whoever and whatever to make our chances of winning happen.

I highly doubt he's parting with a 22 year old near point-per-game Larkin or our 1st round picks for anyone anytime soon

1 hour ago, kickazz said:

Karlsson would just be a stepping stone. 

I think you’re under that assumption that we sign Karlsson and that’s it.

Thats not how it works, at least not on this team. Look at what we did with bringing in Russian 5, then Hull, Robataile, and cap era with Schneider, then Rafalski, Hasek 3rd return for 07, Osgoods return, Brad Stuart.

This is 100% a slipper slope fallacy. You're falsely asserting that signing Karlsson is going to snowball into a magical chain of events where we get all kinds of superstars. Your argument isn't based on anything other than nostalgia and wishful thinking. And @krsmith17 is way ahead of your point saying this is even less likely an outcome to happen in the cap era.

1 hour ago, kickazz said:

You know who made key trades to solidly his playoff team? Steve Yzerman w/ Lightening. The guy is known to take advantage of locking in guys as soon as he sees a window of opportunity for them to go far; or trade players away (Bishop, St Louis, Drouin) to replace them with younger or better options/assets. 

Unlike Holland, Yzerman doesn’t seem to have that loyalty of hanging on to guys; he seemed to constantly try and adapt the team into a better and better situation.

You're completely misrepresenting Yzerman's time with the Bolts.

His first years were spent buying out large contracts like Lecavalier, signing a plethora of depth guys to fill holes, experimenting with goaltenders and coaches, and steadily drafting well. He did not enter a basement team stricken with bad contracts and start signing potential HOF Dman. Far from that. It was not until later that Yzerman was able and willing to tweak his roster in a significant way. In this regards the primary difference to me was that Holland seems to prefer FA when adding, whereas Yzerman more often opted to trade n sign.

1 hour ago, kickazz said:

Doubt we get Karlsson.  Again, point is it would be a positive snowball effect.

Karlsson, Trouba, Panarin. I’m all for these free agents and I believe Yzerman would do a good job of managing the situations. 

More of your slippery slope argument.

The only thing you got right is we are not getting Karlsson. And I think other folks on this board, Erik Karlsson, and Steve Yzerman understand the real reasons behind that better than you do.

Edited May 1, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs

[kickazz 5,459]

41 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I don't think you did... 

I said that if Karlsson helps us get into playoff contention, Yzerman would trade anyone to make adjustments. The cap has a limit, but that doesn’t mean you can’t move players or trade a player due for big pay for a cheaper option. A good GM can make it happen. 

You can build a team around 2-3 players elite players. You can also turnover expensive players for cheaper options.

Valtteri Filppula. 

Edited May 1, 2019 by kickazz

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

3 minutes ago, kickazz said:

I said that if Karlsson helps us get into playoff contention, Yzerman would trade anyone to make adjustments. The cap has a limit, but that doesn’t mean you can’t move players or trade a player due for big pay for a cheaper option. A good GM can make it happen. 

You can build a team around 2-3 players elite players. You can also turnover expensive talent for cheaper options.

Hear that everyone? The rebuild is over. Yzerman's here now and suddenly were gonna sign Karlsson then spend and trade our way out of a hole.

Seems like a good plan...

 

[krsmith17 7,191]

2 minutes ago, kickazz said:

I said that if Karlsson helps us get into playoff contention, Yzerman would trade anyone to make adjustments. The cap has a limit, but that doesn’t mean you can’t move players or trade a player due for big pay for a cheaper option. A good GM can make it happen. 

Sure, a good GM could probably work around the cap to sign Karlsson. A better GM would understand that signing Karlsson in the Red Wings current situation to a ridiculous contract is a bad move... 

[kickazz 5,459]

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

Sure, a good GM could probably work around the cap to sign Karlsson. A better GM would understand that signing Karlsson in the Red Wings current situation to a ridiculous contract is a bad move... 

12 million 7 years for a 28 year old top 3 league defensemen is not ridiculous lol. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

Sure, a good GM could probably work around the cap to sign Karlsson. A better GM would understand that signing Karlsson in the Red Wings current situation to a ridiculous contract is a bad move... 

He's having his jesus is back fan-boy moment. Yzerman's just gonna magically make it all better again, ya know, cause Yzerman.

Most of us here realize it's going to take years of shrewd building before what he's advocating happens

1 minute ago, kickazz said:

12 million 7 years for a 28 year old top 3 league defensemen is not ridiculous lol. 

For the #4 worst team in the league ladden with years of bad contracts it is

[krsmith17 7,191]

3 minutes ago, kickazz said:

12 million 7 years for a 28 year old top 3 league defensemen is not ridiculous lol. 

In a vacuum, no it's a very reasonable contract. For a rebuilding team that is years away from contending, it's a terrible contract.

[kickazz 5,459]

2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

In a vacuum, no it's a very reasonable contract. For a rebuilding team that is years away from contending, it's a terrible contract.

Would be contending if they had superstars enabling them to contend. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

3 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Would be contending if they had superstars enabling them to contend. 

@krsmith17 he may honestly just be trolling like he does. This is what someone in grade 3 would posit.

Sad!

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[krsmith17 7,191]

9 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Would be contending if they had superstars enabling them to contend. 

Yeah, okay...

6 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

@krsmith17 he may honestly just be trolling like he does. This is what someone in grade 3 would posit.

Sad!

Probably. Only logical reason I guess...

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

12 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

@krsmith17 he may honestly just be trolling like he does. This is what someone in grade 3 would posit.

Sad!

I thought u were American? Canadians say grade 3, Americans say 3rd grade.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 minute ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I thought u were American? Canadians say grade 3, Americans say 3rd grade.

Been watching too much Trailer Park Boys and Letterkenny I guess

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Good take from former Tampa GM Brian Lawton:

"Yzerman is not going to force things, he's going to do something similar to what he did with the Lightning. He's gonna build something to last. That will be his goal with Detroit. He's not gonna do anything crazy, he's not going to run out and sign the top free agents. You're not gonna see a top guy like Erik Karlsson signing in Detroit. He's gonna focus on his current group and putting the right processes in place to returning the Red Wings to the glory days they know so well."

Paraphrasing of course.

Good take Bry man

[krsmith17 7,191]

8 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Good take from former Tampa GM Brian Lawton:

"Yzerman is not going to force things, he's going to do something similar to what he did with the Lightning. He's gonna build something to last. That will be his goal with Detroit. He's not gonna do anything crazy, he's not going to run out and sign the top free agents. You're not gonna see a top guy like Erik Karlsson signing in Detroit. He's gonna focus on his current group and putting the right processes in place to returning the Red Wings to the glory days they know so well."

Paraphrasing of course.

Good take Bry man

Great to hear. This is exactly how I feel Yzerman should be approaching things. No need in rushing things. There's already a very strong foundation in place built by Holland, continue on that path. We need a strong draft coming up in June, make a few shrewd moves over the next year or so, and this team will be back on top in no time.

[Dabura 12,232]

11 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Good take from former Tampa GM Brian Lawton:

"Yzerman is not going to force things, he's going to do something similar to what he did with the Lightning. He's gonna build something to last. That will be his goal with Detroit. He's not gonna do anything crazy, he's not going to run out and sign the top free agents. You're not gonna see a top guy like Erik Karlsson signing in Detroit. He's gonna focus on his current group and putting the right processes in place to returning the Red Wings to the glory days they know so well."

Paraphrasing of course.

Good take Bry man

Lawts is so clutch.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Great to hear. This is exactly how I feel Yzerman should be approaching things. No need in rushing things. There's already a very strong foundation in place built by Holland, continue on that path. We need a strong draft coming up in June, make a few shrewd moves over the next year or so, and this team will be back on top in no time.

Exactly. Lets not Edmonton this ship and sign Lucic because we're excited and wanna accelerate.

I suspect Yzerman won't sign anyone major unless he really has his eyes on someone he thinks is low key really good like a Stralman. Other than that he'll probably sign depth players to fill whatever holes he sees, and maybe a project player like a Johnson/Gourde/Conacher. Rinse and repeat until a few bad contracts are off the books and some more kids are up... then we strike.

[krsmith17 7,191]

8 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Exactly. Lets not Edmonton this ship and sign Lucic because we're excited and wanna accelerate.

I suspect Yzerman won't sign anyone major unless he really has his eyes on someone he thinks is low key really good like a Stralman. Other than that he'll probably sign depth players to fill whatever holes he sees, and maybe a project player like a Johnson/Gourde/Conacher. Rinse and repeat until a few bad contracts are off the books and some more kids are up... then we strike.

I really hope Yzerman makes use of the cap space and trades for Ryan Callahan. He could be our Vanek replacement (token right-handed depth winger) for the season...

Realistically, if that trade were an option, what kind of return could we expect? Tampa's 2019 1st round pick for one of our later 2nd round pick's?

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

I really hope Yzerman makes use of the cap space and trades for Ryan Callahan. He could be our Vanek replacement (token right-handed depth winger) for the season...

Realistically, if that trade were an option, what kind of return could we expect? Tampa's 2019 1st round pick for one of our later 2nd round pick's?

This is a pretty good trade scenario, and gotta think Brisebois and Yzerman will use each other to get what they want, kinda like how Holland and Yzerman did for a moment. It just screws up my obtaining Brayden Point scenario.

I would love to have Callahan. He's overpaid but he plays hard-nosed red blooded hockey and his contract is almost up. I dunno if we get a first outta that thou.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

If you could move up from the 35 spot to the 27 spot for Callahan do you do it?

[gcom007 1,465]

Guys, come on. Stop thinking small. We know big things are coming. Jimmy D said so. We can’t even fathom what outside the box voodoo they have up their sleeves.

On a serious note, I do wonder what all that talk might mean in the context of Steve Yzerman coming in. Was it all fluff in the first place? Was it the plan before Yzerman came into the mix and now, poof, it’s gone?

I know many think we’re still years from the playoffs, but I’m with Holland in thinking that next year we’re a potential playoff team; I don’t think that statement was fluff at all. I don’t think we’re contenders next year, but I do expect us to be in the playoff hunt. It does make me wonder about how serious the plan was to make a splash this off-season either via trade or free agency, or Jimmy D’s magic box ideas. Again, Holland and Jimmy D were talking up this off-season pretty hard a few months back, and I tend to think Yzerman is more likely to move fast and make some moves than Holland. I’m very curious to see how it plays out. 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

4 minutes ago, gcom007 said:

Guys, come on. Stop thinking small. We know big things are coming. Jimmy D said so. We can’t even fathom what outside the box voodoo they have up their sleeves.

On a serious note, I do wonder what all that talk might mean in the context of Steve Yzerman coming in. Was it all fluff in the first place? Was it the plan before Yzerman came into the mix and now, poof, it’s gone?

I know many think we’re still years from the playoffs, but I’m with Holland in thinking that next year we’re a potential playoff team; I don’t think that statement was fluff at all. I don’t think we’re contenders next year, but I do expect us to be in the playoff hunt. It does make me wonder about how serious the plan was to make a splash this off-season either via trade or free agency, or Jimmy D’s magic box ideas. Again, Holland and Jimmy D were talking up this off-season pretty hard a few months back, and I tend to think Yzerman is more likely to move fast and make some moves than Holland. I’m very curious to see how it plays out. 

I just don't buy the playoff hunt next year thing. If Yzerman makes big waves maybe... but the current defense and netminding is not enough to keep our young forwards propped up IMO.

[gcom007 1,465]

Just now, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I just don't buy the playoff hunt next year thing. If Yzerman makes big waves maybe... but the current defense and netminding is not enough to keep our young forwards propped up IMO.

I’m not as concerned about goaltending as I am the defense. I think Howard and Bernier are serviceable, but the D really is terrible...