Trade deadline bait available this year?

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19 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Soooo much wrong with this post...

First of all, as much as you want to pretend you know, no one knows what a 23-24 year old goaltender will be in 2-3 years time, including Comrie. We've seen countless times, a goaltender develop, become an NHL starter, and even win the Cup beyond the age of 24. It absolutely can happen. Not to say it will happen with Comrie. The odds are definitely against him, but like I mentioned previously about the 5-10% vs 0%...

 

U: "So much wrong with this post"
Also u: "I'm hedging my bets on the guy with a 5-10% chance"

K

19 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I never said to "ignore the present". Ignoring the present would include selling off every piece for the future. I'm simply saying to rid ourselves of one broken down piece, in favor of a young potential piece.

Your asking to forsake Howard/Mrazek/RandomOtherStarter for McCollum.

Sorry if I don't buy that bologna

19 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Complete conjecture, but if I were to guess, I would bet the young core would have preferred to keep the young goaltender that is around their age, and can develop with, rather than the goaltender that will be gone next season / the following season.

Comrie was gone faster than Howard or Bernier lol. Do you honestly think Yzerman is an idiot? Please, I implore you, make that case.

19 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I'm sure these guys want to win every single night, but they're also not clueless to the situation. They know they aren't doing s*** this season. Losing Howard or Bernier does not affect this team. They've both been good for about 4 goals against per game. Not good.

I wasn't at all against signing Filppula or Nemeth. I just didn't think they were necessary. Mainly Filppula because he was an exact replica of Nielsen, up until this season. It turns out Filppula has had a much better season, but that could have just as easily gone the other way. I didn't love the Nemeth signing, but I understood it from a management perspective.

More autistic paper reading. Real life doesn't work this way partner.

19 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

No one is giving you "backlash" for not giving a s*** about Comrie. I don't think anyone here cares too much about Comrie. A few of us would have just preferred to move on from the old broken down goalie, and kept the younger, equally as s***ty goalie. None of this has nothing to do with Comrie.

"Some of us disagree with you? Why are you calling us out on our s***?" Cope harder

19 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Next season, it comes down to Nielsen or Turgeon / Ehn for the final roster spot. One has had a solid NHL career, but is washed up as f***. The other hasn't shown a whole lot of promise thus far, but is much younger, would be as good now, and potentially better in the future, and costs a fraction of the price. Who do you waive? I don't think anyone would be too upset about losing a Turgeon / Ehn to waivers, but pretty much everyone would be upset with the decision to waive either over Nielsen. Very similar situation...

Yzerman literally already waived Ericsson. Bad players get waived. Useful players stay. Comrie is not useful. Howard and Bernier are. Seeth harder u autismo.

Edited December 28, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs

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4 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

U: "So much wrong with this post"
Also u: "I'm hedging my bets on the guy with a 5-10% chance"

K

Your asking to forsake Howard/Mrazek/RandomOtherStarter for McCollum.

Sorry if I don't buy that bologna

Comrie was gone faster than Howard or Bernier lol. Do you honestly think Yzerman is an idiot? Please, I implore you, make that case.

More autistic paper reading. Real life doesn't work this way partner.

"Some of us disagree with you? Why are you calling us out on our s***?" Cope harder

Yzerman literally already waived Ericsson. Bad players get waived. Useful players stay. Comrie is not useful. Howard and Bernier are. Seeth harder u autismo.

"Hedging my bets". Not at all. Howard and Bernier suck. They could have been waived. Comrie could have been given an opportunity. If he showed something re-signed. If not, let walk this summer. Literally nothing lost in that scenario.

No, I don't think Yzerman is an idiot. Do you think Yzerman is a god that can do no wrong? Yzerman is a great general manager, but has made several mistakes over the years and will continue to make mistakes in the future. This may prove to be a mistake. Or it may have no effect on anything one way or another.

One thing I guarantee is that not a single person (besides maybe you) will ever look back on the move to waive Comrie over Howard / Bernier and say, "Thank god we waived that bum instead of Howard / Bernier. Imagine where we would be right now without these guys"...

Some of us disagree with you. I am calling you out on your s***! Cope harder...

You still didn't answer the question. In that scenario, who should be waived? Nielsen or Ehn / Turgeon? 

In the end, much like this situation, it probably won't matter much, because none are likely a part of our long-term future, but you always keep the younger (potential) player that might turn into something over the old (way past his prime) player, that is what he is, costs way too much, and provides little value.

It's either you agree and you would waive Nielsen, because you have a bias when it comes to your boi Howard, or you disagree and you would keep Nielsen, because you're dumb...

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2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

"Hedging my bets". Not at all. Howard and Bernier suck. They could have been waived. Comrie could have been given an opportunity. If he showed something re-signed. If not, let walk this summer. Literally nothing lost in that scenario.

No, I don't think Yzerman is an idiot. Do you think Yzerman is a god that can do no wrong? Yzerman is a great general manager, but has made several mistakes over the years and will continue to make mistakes in the future. This may prove to be a mistake. Or it may have no effect on anything one way or another.

One thing I guarantee is that not a single person (besides maybe you) will ever look back on the move to waive Comrie over Howard / Bernier and say, "Thank god we waived that bum instead of Howard / Bernier. Imagine where we would be right now without these guys"...

Some of us disagree with you. I am calling you out on your s***! Cope harder...

You still didn't answer the question. In that scenario, who should be waived? Nielsen or Ehn / Turgeon? 

In the end, much like this situation, it probably won't matter much, because none are likely a part of our long-term future, but you always keep the younger (potential) player that might turn into something over the old (way past his prime) player, that is what he is, costs way too much, and provides little value.

It's either you agree and you would waive Nielsen, because you have a bias when it comes to your boi Howard, or you disagree and you would keep Nielsen, because you're dumb...

@ChristopherReevesLegs have @krsmith17 tell you the one about Larkin being the second coming of Bergeron if you want a good laugh.

 

Edited December 28, 2019 by mackel

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17 minutes ago, mackel said:

@ChristopherReevesLegs have @krsmith17 tell you the one about Larkin being the second coming of Bergeron if you want a good laugh.

He's a hell of a lot closer to Bergeron than J. Staal, that's for damn sure...

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19 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

"Hedging my bets". Not at all. Howard and Bernier suck. They could have been waived. Comrie could have been given an opportunity. If he showed something re-signed. If not, let walk this summer. Literally nothing lost in that scenario.

No, I don't think Yzerman is an idiot. Do you think Yzerman is a god that can do no wrong? Yzerman is a great general manager, but has made several mistakes over the years and will continue to make mistakes in the future. This may prove to be a mistake. Or it may have no effect on anything one way or another.

One thing I guarantee is that not a single person (besides maybe you) will ever look back on the move to waive Comrie over Howard / Bernier and say, "Thank god we waived that bum instead of Howard / Bernier. Imagine where we would be right now without these guys"...

Some of us disagree with you. I am calling you out on your s***! Cope harder...

You still didn't answer the question. In that scenario, who should be waived? Nielsen or Ehn / Turgeon? 

In the end, much like this situation, it probably won't matter much, because none are likely a part of our long-term future, but you always keep the younger (potential) player that might turn into something over the old (way past his prime) player, that is what he is, costs way too much, and provides little value.

It's either you agree and you would waive Nielsen, because you have a bias when it comes to your boi Howard, or you disagree and you would keep Nielsen, because you're dumb...

Comrie back on waivers lol

My love of Howard is not built on the fact that I think he is an amazing goalie or an extra special Red Wing or something. My love of Howard is built on the fact that their is always a group of irrationals who are willing to toss him out the window for literally any AHL goalie that waltzes by. It's sad and it's gross and it's gone on for years.

I don't overvalue Howard at all. You vastly undervalue you him to the point where you basically see him as a valueless asset. Ur willing to waive him for the Manitoba Moose goalie for petes sake lmao.

I would waive those players in this order: 1. Turgeon 2. Ehn 3. Nielsen. Not sure why the question relevant, but there's your answer.

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5 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Comrie back on waivers lol

My love of Howard is not built on the fact that I think he is an amazing goalie or an extra special Red Wing or something. My love of Howard is built on the fact that their is always a group of irrationals who are willing to toss him out the window for literally any AHL goalie that waltzes by. It's sad and it's gross and it's gone on for years.

I don't overvalue Howard at all. You vastly undervalue you him to the point where you basically see him as a valueless asset. Ur willing to waive him for the Manitoba Moose goalie for petes sake lmao.

I would waive those players in this order: 1. Turgeon 2. Ehn 3. Nielsen. Not sure why the question relevant, but there's your answer.

I'm aware. And now all of this conversation will be for not, when we claim him again, and immediately send him to Grand Rapids.

I don't undervalue Howard at all. I've always been a Howard supporter, and I too got sick and tired of people bashing him over the years. It's different now though, for me at least. His numbers are atrocious. He current has the 66th worst save percentage (0.884), and 68th worst goals against average (4.11) in the entire league. He's bounced back from bad stretches before, but I don't think he will this time. He's getting older (35, soon to be 36) and more injury prone. I think he will likely retire after this season (if he's smart), or go one more season at most.

For those reasons, I think it's time to move on, and yeah, I would move on from him for a number of goalies currently playing in the AHL, that are 10+ years younger with the potential and pedigree like Comrie. If it works out, we could have our goalie of the future, or a stop gap for a few more years. If it doesn't, no loss on our end.

That last paragraph is why we'll never agree on things like this. You may be the only Red Wings fan that would waive two 24 year olds before the 36 year old, that has been one of the worst players in the league, and is one of the worst contracts in the league. Both Ehn and Turgeon can do what Nielsen has done (or better) for a fraction of the cost. I'll always keep the player that might suck, over the player that does suck. The question was very relevant. I would rather keep Comrie (Turgeon), who might suck, over Howard (Nielsen), who do suck... You would rather keep the old, washed up vets... We disagree on this one. No big deal.

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I think expecting any goalie on this team to be below a 3.00 GAA and above a .910 save percentage is unrealistic.

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Comrie cleared waivers... I guess Yzerman REALLY didn't like what he seen in him in those two games... Real head scratcher, considering how depleted our goaltending depth is, and the fact that he could have been immediately assigned to Grand Rapids... Oh well...

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20 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I'm aware. And now all of this conversation will be for not, when we claim him again, and immediately send him to Grand Rapids.

I don't undervalue Howard at all. I've always been a Howard supporter, and I too got sick and tired of people bashing him over the years. It's different now though, for me at least. His numbers are atrocious. He current has the 66th worst save percentage (0.884), and 68th worst goals against average (4.11) in the entire league. He's bounced back from bad stretches before, but I don't think he will this time. He's getting older (35, soon to be 36) and more injury prone. I think he will likely retire after this season (if he's smart), or go one more season at most.

For those reasons, I think it's time to move on, and yeah, I would move on from him for a number of goalies currently playing in the AHL, that are 10+ years younger with the potential and pedigree like Comrie. If it works out, we could have our goalie of the future, or a stop gap for a few more years. If it doesn't, no loss on our end.

That last paragraph is why we'll never agree on things like this. You may be the only Red Wings fan that would waive two 24 year olds before the 36 year old, that has been one of the worst players in the league, and is one of the worst contracts in the league. Both Ehn and Turgeon can do what Nielsen has done (or better) for a fraction of the cost. I'll always keep the player that might suck, over the player that does suck. The question was very relevant. I would rather keep Comrie (Turgeon), who might suck, over Howard (Nielsen), who do suck... You would rather keep the old, washed up vets... We disagree on this one. No big deal.

I know I stroke Ehn sometimes, but you honestly think Ehn and Turgeon are better than Nielsen?? Turgeon is straight garbage and will never have an NHL job. Ehn might be able to hold one if he sucks someones nuts.

You may not like Nielsen's contract or his downplay this year but he's clearly a better player than Ehn or Turgeon. It's not even a question in my mind. Nielsens D game is lightyears ahead of the other two

7 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Comrie cleared waivers... I guess Yzerman REALLY didn't like what he seen in him in those two games... Real head scratcher, considering how depleted our goaltending depth is, and the fact that he could have been immediately assigned to Grand Rapids... Oh well...

Yeah basically what I've been telling you. Comrie sucks. If Yzerman agreed with you he wouldnt have waived him. Pretty obvious clue.

Edited December 30, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs

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1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I know I stroke Ehn sometimes, but you honestly think Ehn and Turgeon are better than Nielsen?? Turgeon is straight garbage and will never have an NHL job. Ehn might be able to hold one if he sucks someones nuts.

You may not like Nielsen's contract or his downplay this year but he's clearly a better player than Ehn or Turgeon. It's not even a question in my mind. Nielsens D game is lightyears ahead of the other two

I honestly think Ehn and Turgeon could be as good as Nielsen. Or at least, can't be any worse. Nielsen blows. His defensive game is overrated and his offensive game is nonexistent at this point in his career.

Waive Nielsen. Give Turgeon an opportunity as the 4th line center / winger. If he's able to hold down the spot, great. If not, waive his ass too. No big loss. But the key is, get rid of bad players. Nielsen is a bad player, and his contract is worse.

Anyway, I know we won't agree on this, so probably not much point in furthering the conversation... But just to be clear, I do see your perspective, and it's the approach most GM's have, but I'd like a more forward thinking approach, and get away from the old boys club mentality. F*** "tie goes to the vet". It should be "tie goes to the kid", especially as a rebuilding team.

1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yeah basically what I've been telling you. Comrie sucks. If Yzerman agreed with you he wouldnt have waived him. Pretty obvious clue.

I know Yzerman would have disagreed with me. But why does that matter? Believe it or not, a GM (even the great Steve Yzerman) can be wrong... The chance that Comrie ever proves him wrong on this one is pretty slim, but still possible. You'd have to think Comrie's confidence took a pretty big hit after being traded for basically nothing, waived multiple times in the span of a couple weeks, and eventually the realization that no team wanted him for free... I hope for his sake, he has the right mindset and plays to prove people wrong.

He may never be anything more than a solid AHL goalie, but that's why I'm confused as to why Yzerman didn't put in a claim this time around. Our goaltending depth is terrible, and Comrie would have been able to be assigned directly to Grand Rapids. If he's nothing else, he should be a more than capable AHLer. The Griffins just signed Kevin Poulin to a PTO. Is he any better than Comrie? I doubt it...

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6 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I honestly think Ehn and Turgeon could be as good as Nielsen. Or at least, can't be any worse. Nielsen blows. His defensive game is overrated and his offensive game is nonexistent at this point in his career.

Waive Nielsen. Give Turgeon an opportunity as the 4th line center / winger. If he's able to hold down the spot, great. If not, waive his ass too. No big loss. But the key is, get rid of bad players. Nielsen is a bad player, and his contract is worse.

I will give some ground and say Ehn COULD be as reliable as Nielsen is at some point.

I think there's a reason Nielsen's +/- is as good as it is DESPITE his scoring completely disappearing this year. I know you hate that stat and I agree in most respects, but it reflects well on him that he's -6 on this team, and not scoring to boost that number. Nielsen's contract is not reflective of his current skills, but I won't be as naive to say this is not a solid bottom lines NHL player. He's playing the role of bottom 6 shutdown center at that this point of career. I can appreciate him for that. I can't help the contract.

Turgeon is ******* awful my dood. Like I don't even think he should have an opportunity to make the roster unless there's a massive wave of injuries. What do you see in him? His play in GR is some of the most forgettable I've seen. It's like he's not particularly bad at anything, but he's not even half-way good at anything either. I would compare his future to Landon Ferraro's, but I think that would be an unwarranted compliment.

So to sort of tie this in to Howard. I personally find that it would be super bad management to waive a useful player like Nielsen for a completely useless one like Turgeon. Waiving doesn't fix Nilesen's contract problem, so you gain nothing. You make the team worse just to spite a player who's disappointed you.

And I very much think salvaging this teams confidence is way more important than "playing the keeeedz" right now. So you play the better man. That's Nielsen.

Or is Yzerguy wrong again like he was with Comrie? Hmmmmm

6 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I know Yzerman would have disagreed with me. But why does that matter? Believe it or not, a GM (even the great Steve Yzerman) can be wrong... The chance that Comrie ever proves him wrong on this one is pretty slim, but still possible. You'd have to think Comrie's confidence took a pretty big hit after being traded for basically nothing, waived multiple times in the span of a couple weeks, and eventually the realization that no team wanted him for free... I hope for his sake, he has the right mindset and plays to prove people wrong.

He may never be anything more than a solid AHL goalie, but that's why I'm confused as to why Yzerman didn't put in a claim this time around. Our goaltending depth is terrible, and Comrie would have been able to be assigned directly to Grand Rapids. If he's nothing else, he should be a more than capable AHLer. The Griffins just signed Kevin Poulin to a PTO. Is he any better than Comrie? I doubt it...

Replace every Comrie with McCollum and this paragraph will read a lot different to you. Winnigpeg fans understand exactly what Comrie is. Career AHLer.

Yzerman IS the forward thinking GM you're looking for. The fact that he even gambled on Comrie in the first place showed how shrewd and aggressive he is. He's exploiting every opportunity.

He had a D prospect that he placed no value in. So he flipped it for something that MAYBE would help his team. Didn't work out, they got their hands on Comrie and he wasn't what they hoped, oh well, but ******* good on him. Holland would have never done sucha thing, and I do think Yzerman is benefiting from playing with another mans prospects right now. He's in there with an unbiased head.

Long live the eternal Jimmy Howard

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38 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I will give some ground and say Ehn COULD be as reliable as Nielsen is at some point.

I think there's a reason Nielsen's +/- is as good as it is DESPITE his scoring completely disappearing this year. I know you hate that stat and I agree in most respects, but it reflects well on him that he's -6 on this team, and not scoring to boost that number. Nielsen's contract is not reflective of his current skills, but I won't be as naive to say this is not a solid bottom lines NHL player. He's playing the role of bottom 6 shutdown center at that this point of career. I can appreciate him for that. I can't help the contract.

Turgeon is ******* awful my dood. Like I don't even think he should have an opportunity to make the roster unless there's a massive wave of injuries. What do you see in him? His play in GR is some of the most forgettable I've seen. It's like he's not particularly bad at anything, but he's not even half-way good at anything either. I would compare his future to Landon Ferraro's, but I think that would be an unwarranted compliment.

So to sort of tie this in to Howard. I personally find that it would be super bad management to waive a useful player like Nielsen for a completely useless one like Turgeon. Waiving doesn't fix Nilesen's contract problem, so you gain nothing. You make the team worse just to spite a player who's disappointed you.

And I very much think salvaging this teams confidence is way more important than "playing the keeeedz" right now. So you play the better man. That's Nielsen.

Or is Yzerguy wrong again like he was with Comrie? Hmmmmm

Replace every Comrie with McCollum and this paragraph will read a lot different to you. Winnigpeg fans understand exactly what Comrie is. Career AHLer.

Yzerman IS the forward thinking GM you're looking for. The fact that he even gambled on Comrie in the first place showed how shrewd and aggressive he is. He's exploiting every opportunity.

He had a D prospect that he placed no value in. So he flipped it for something that MAYBE would help his team. Didn't work out, they got their hands on Comrie and he wasn't what they hoped, oh well, but ******* good on him. Holland would have never done sucha thing, and I do think Yzerman is benefiting from playing with another mans prospects right now. He's in there with an unbiased head.

Long live the eternal Jimmy Howard

Turgeon could be a solid 4th line center / winger. He's good at faceoffs, can kill penalties and chip in (at least as much as Nielsen) offensively. Or he might be another career AHLer. I wouldn't be too upset if we lost Turgeon to waivers, but I would personally rather give him a shot over Nielsen next season. I hope Nielsen is gone one way or another (trade or buyout) next season anyway. And don't confuse this back and forth of me being upset about losing Comrie either. At the end of the day, I doubt it's any major loss (same goes for a Turgeon), but I would have liked to see him given a shot. I just find how the whole situation played out, more confusing than anything.

I never said Yzerman was wrong on Comrie, I said he could be wrong on Comrie. Even said he's (you're) probably not wrong.

That's exactly what I'm confused about. You say Yzerman traded for him to give him a look, but he wasn't what they hoped for. How do your pro scouts not know that after watching him several games prior to acquiring him? How do you determine he isn't what you hoped for after two games? It doesn't add up... Either way, Comrie is gone. Oh well. I wish him luck.

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1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

Turgeon could be a solid 4th line center / winger. He's good at faceoffs, can kill penalties and chip in (at least as much as Nielsen) offensively. Or he might be another career AHLer. I wouldn't be too upset if we lost Turgeon to waivers, but I would personally rather give him a shot over Nielsen next season. I hope Nielsen is gone one way or another (trade or buyout) next season anyway. And don't confuse this back and forth of me being upset about losing Comrie either. At the end of the day, I doubt it's any major loss (same goes for a Turgeon), but I would have liked to see him given a shot. I just find how the whole situation played out, more confusing than anything.

I never said Yzerman was wrong on Comrie, I said he could be wrong on Comrie. Even said he's (you're) probably not wrong.

That's exactly what I'm confused about. You say Yzerman traded for him to give him a look, but he wasn't what they hoped for. How do your pro scouts not know that after watching him several games prior to acquiring him? How do you determine he isn't what you hoped for after two games? It doesn't add up... Either way, Comrie is gone. Oh well. I wish him luck.

Nielsen is better than Turgeon and Ehn on both sides of the puck. Not even close IMO. That said, if you asked me would I rather have Turgeon and Ehn on this team or Nielsen, then I would go with the kids. Nielsen's salary is way more than the other 2 combined.

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13 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Nielsen is better than Turgeon and Ehn on both sides of the puck. Not even close IMO. That said, if you asked me would I rather have Turgeon and Ehn on this team or Nielsen, then I would go with the kids. Nielsen's salary is way more than the other 2 combined.

In past seasons, I'd agree. This season, not so much. Nielsen has been aaawful offensively, and I don't think that's going to change as he gets older. I'm sure there is some bad luck, and some lack of confidence involved, but he hasn't been close to good enough, never mind the fact that he's making $5.25M...

Nielsen is currently on a 9 point pace over 82 games, and Turgeon would be on 16 point pace over 82 games in the NHL... Point translations obviously aren't an exact science, but to say that Nielsen is better than Turgeon defensively AND offensively isn't 100% accurate. I'd like to see what Turgeon could do on our 4th line for a full (or even half) season before I conclude that he doesn't have an NHL future...

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1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

In past seasons, I'd agree. This season, not so much. Nielsen has been aaawful offensively, and I don't think that's going to change as he gets older. I'm sure there is some bad luck, and some lack of confidence involved, but he hasn't been close to good enough, never mind the fact that he's making $5.25M...

Nielsen is currently on a 9 point pace over 82 games, and Turgeon would be on 16 point pace over 82 games in the NHL... Point translations obviously aren't an exact science, but to say that Nielsen is better than Turgeon defensively AND offensively isn't 100% accurate. I'd like to see what Turgeon could do on our 4th line for a full (or even half) season before I conclude that he doesn't have an NHL future...

Remember when that looked like a decent signing? I don’t remember how I felt, but what a dud of a deal it’s turned out to be. 

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6 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Turgeon could be a solid 4th line center / winger. He's good at faceoffs, can kill penalties and chip in (at least as much as Nielsen) offensively.

I don't see any of that.

6 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I wouldn't be too upset if we lost Turgeon to waivers, but I would personally rather give him a shot over Nielsen next season. I hope Nielsen is gone one way or another (trade or buyout) next season anyway. And don't confuse this back and forth of me being upset about losing Comrie either. At the end of the day, I doubt it's any major loss (same goes for a Turgeon), but I would have liked to see him given a shot. I just find how the whole situation played out, more confusing than anything.

I never said Yzerman was wrong on Comrie, I said he could be wrong on Comrie. Even said he's (you're) probably not wrong.

That's exactly what I'm confused about. You say Yzerman traded for him to give him a look, but he wasn't what they hoped for. How do your pro scouts not know that after watching him several games prior to acquiring him? How do you determine he isn't what you hoped for after two games? It doesn't add up... Either way, Comrie is gone. Oh well. I wish him luck.

I mean I can't say what Yzerman and co's evaluation methods are. Maybe they straight up didn't like him personally, who knows.

I do envision that the true advantage Yzerman has over a Holland is personnel experience in the game and as a high profile athlete. We're dealing with a different animal now. Holland was the business man (one time hockey player), Yzerman is the former superstar vet. I do think Yzerman is going to pull more of these Seider like moves. That is: Evaluating players based on personality and the IT factor. 

 

4 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Nielsen is better than Turgeon and Ehn on both sides of the puck. Not even close IMO. That said, if you asked me would I rather have Turgeon and Ehn on this team or Nielsen, then I would go with the kids. Nielsen's salary is way more than the other 2 combined.

100%. But Nielsen's contract is probably going nowhere.

3 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

In past seasons, I'd agree. This season, not so much. Nielsen has been aaawful offensively, and I don't think that's going to change as he gets older. I'm sure there is some bad luck, and some lack of confidence involved, but he hasn't been close to good enough, never mind the fact that he's making $5.25M...

Nielsen is currently on a 9 point pace over 82 games, and Turgeon would be on 16 point pace over 82 games in the NHL... Point translations obviously aren't an exact science, but to say that Nielsen is better than Turgeon defensively AND offensively isn't 100% accurate. I'd like to see what Turgeon could do on our 4th line for a full (or even half) season before I conclude that he doesn't have an NHL future...

Turgeon is horrible. What Griffs are you watching?

1 hour ago, gcom007 said:

Remember when that looked like a decent signing? I don’t remember how I felt, but what a dud of a deal it’s turned out to be. 

Holland's finding a 2C escapades are hilariously comical, and probably factor in to his replacement. He forsakes Fillppula to bring in Weiss. Buysout Weiss. Brings in Nielsen on another awful contract. Yzerman remedies the situation by signing Fillppula lol.

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9 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Turgeon is horrible. What Griffs are you watching?

The one where he plays 1C most nights, eats a ton of minutes, defensively responsible, and is one of their better penalty killers and faceoff guys... Is there a different version of the Griffs that you've been watching?

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Just now, krsmith17 said:

The one where he plays 1C most nights, eats a ton of minutes, defensively responsible, and is one of their better penalty killers and faceoff guys... Is there a different version of the Griffs that you've been watching?

And you watch him and think NHLer? I don't doubt he's an ok AHLer, but I'd rather play Emmerton/Andersson/Ferraro

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15 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

And you watch him and think NHLer? I don't doubt he's an ok AHLer, but I'd rather play Emmerton/Andersson/Ferraro

4th line NHLer? Absolutely. I'd rather play him over any of those guys, as well as Nielsen. Anyway, like I said, we're not going to agree on this, so whatever.

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3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

4th line NHLer? Absolutely. I'd rather play him over any of those guys, as well as Nielsen. Anyway, like I said, we're not going to agree on this, so whatever.

So you straight up think Turgeon is a better player than Nielsen? That's your pro take?

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11 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

So you straight up think Turgeon is a better player than Nielsen? That's your pro take?

I straight up think Nielsen is one of the worst players in the NHL this season, and a number of AHL players *could* be better than him. I'd give Turgeon every opportunity to steal that spot, and gladly waive Nielsen to make it happen. But again, I'm hoping Yzerman uses a buyout on Nielsen this summer. If that's done, I don't care who fills out that 4th line. Some combination of Glendening, Abdelkader, Helm, Erne, Turgeon, Smith would be my preference. If Turgeon is waived in favor of any of those first 4, fine. If he's waived for 36 year old Frans f***ing Nielsen, I'd be slightly annoyed...

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Just now, krsmith17 said:

I straight up think Nielsen is one of the worst players in the NHL this season, and a number of AHL players *could* be better than him. I'd give Turgeon every opportunity to steal that spot, and gladly waive Nielsen to make it happen. But again, I'm hoping Yzerman uses a buyout on Nielsen this summer. If that's done, I don't care who fills out that 4th line. Some combination of Glendening, Abdelkader, Helm, Erne, Turgeon, Smith would be my preference. If Turgeon is waived in favor of any of those first 4, fine. If he's waived for 36 year old Frans f***ing Nielsen, I'd be slightly annoyed...

Damn so Turgeon is better than Nielsen and Yzerman and I are idiots. f***.

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Where did you get any of that from what I just said?

Turgeon *could* be a better option over Nielsen next season.

Yzerman *might* buyout Nielsen after this season.

Yzerman is not an idiot for waiving Comrie over Howard.

Yzerman would not be an idiot for waiving Turgeon over Nielsen.

Not the moves I would like see made, but whatever. Not earth shattering one way or another.

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1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

Where did you get any of that from what I just said?

Turgeon *could* be a better option over Nielsen next season.

Yzerman *might* buyout Nielsen after this season.

Yzerman is not an idiot for waiving Comrie over Howard.

Yzerman would not be an idiot for waiving Turgeon over Nielsen.

Not the moves I would like see made, but whatever. Not earth shattering one way or another.

Back-peddle faster

2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Turgeon *could* be a better option over Nielsen next season.

You prefer to play Turgeon over Nielsen yes? Am I wrong? That means u prefer Turgeon to Niselen, no?

5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Yzerman *might* buyout Nielsen after this season.

Yeah no doubt, what point are you trying to make? You're like the new leftwinger. Can't see past a contract to the actual value of the player.

6 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Yzerman is not an idiot for waiving Comrie over Howard.

Only took multiple threads to get you to admit it

7 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Yzerman would not be an idiot for waiving Turgeon over Nielsen.

So you don't think Turgeon is better than Nielsen? Do you have any real opinions or do they just fluctuate with the weather?

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5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Back-peddle faster

You prefer to play Turgeon over Nielsen yes? Am I wrong? That means u prefer Turgeon to Niselen, no?

Yeah no doubt, what point are you trying to make? You're like the new leftwinger. Can't see past a contract to the actual value of the player.

Only took multiple threads to get you to admit it

So you don't think Turgeon is better than Nielsen? Do you have any real opinions or do they just fluctuate with the weather?

What the f*** are you talking about? I'm not back peddling at all.

Yes, I'd prefer to play Turgeon over Nielsen. What's your point?

Where did I once say Yzerman is an idiot for waiving Comrie? I said right from the beginning that it probably wouldn't matter much in the end, but it was a confusing move.

So I have to think Yzerman is (or you are) an idiot if he (you) wouldn't manage a team exactly like I would?

I've said countless times that Nielsen has been one of the worst forwards in the league *regardless of contract*. So no, I'm not "the new leftwinger. Can't see past a contract to the actual value of the player." Nielsen has zero value.