Trade deadline bait available this year?

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

What the f*** are you talking about? I'm not back peddling at all.

Freak out harder

2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Yes, I'd prefer to play Turgeon over Nielsen. What's your point?

So you think Yzerman is misplaying the roster, yes?

4 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Where did I once say Yzerman is an idiot for waiving Comrie? I said right from the beginning that it probably wouldn't matter much in the end, but it was a confusing move.

You would have preferred to have Comrie over Howard, no?

4 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

So I have to think Yzerman is (or you are) an idiot if he (you) wouldn't manage a team exactly like I would?

If you disagree with Yzerman's moves then yes you objectively think Yzerman is making wrong moves.....lol

6 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I've said countless times that Nielsen has been one of the worst forwards in the league *regardless of contract*. So no, I'm not "the new leftwinger. Can't see past a contract to the actual value of the player." Nielsen has zero value. 

Right so Yzerman is an idiot for keeping him on team right? I mean he's obviously the worst NHLer in the league. Why would Yzerman keep him up unless he himself is an idiot?

[krsmith17 7,191]

5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Freak out harder

So you think Yzerman is misplaying the roster, yes?

You would have preferred to have Comrie over Howard, no?

If you disagree with Yzerman's moves then yes you objectively think Yzerman is making wrong moves.....lol

Right so Yzerman is an idiot for keeping him on team right? I mean he's obviously the worst NHLer in the league. Why would Yzerman keep him up unless he himself is an idiot?

Such a dumb conversation, and I can't believe I'm actually taking your bait...

Again, I can disagree with moves a general manager or coach make, without thinking he's an idiot. Not sure why that's so difficult for you to comprehend...

This team is tanking. Yzerman is allowing the tank to happen. Does that make him an idiot? Not at all. It's smart. He's said from day one, it's going to take time. He's made some very smart low-risk moves. I expect that to continue into the summer, but I also wouldn't be shocked to see a couple shake ups before next season. Nielsen buyout should be at the top of that list.

Anyway, as fun as this has been, I'm done...

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

6 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Such a dumb conversation, and I can't believe I'm actually taking your bait...

Again, I can disagree with moves a general manager or coach make, without thinking he's an idiot. Not sure why that's so difficult for you to comprehend...

This team is tanking. Yzerman is allowing the tank to happen. Does that make him an idiot? Not at all. It's smart. He's said from day one, it's going to take time. He's made some very smart low-risk moves. I expect that to continue into the summer, but I also wouldn't be shocked to see a couple shake ups before next season. Nielsen buyout should be at the top of that list.

Anyway, as fun as this has been, I'm done...

Do you wanna actually respond to my post? Or are you gonna just avoid the conversation with more "I dont think Yzerman is dumb I swear" posts?

Edited December 31, 2019 by ChristopherReevesLegs

[krsmith17 7,191]

6 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Do you wanna actually respond to my post? Or are you gonna just avoid the conversation with more "I dont think Yzerman is dumb I swear" posts?

I've responded countless times and you keep asking the same dumb questions. Nothing you're saying is making any sense. The conversation is dumb. You're dumb for wanting to continue it. Yzerman is not dumb for waiving Comrie.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

5 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I've responded countless times and you keep asking the same dumb questions. Nothing you're saying is making any sense. The conversation is dumb. You're dumb for wanting to continue it. Yzerman is not dumb for waiving Comrie.

Everything's dumb when you're backed into a corner it seems

Three very simple questions:

In your opinion Turgeon should be on the roster over Nielsen right now. Yes or no?
In your opinion Comrie should have remained on the roster over Howard right now. Yes or no?

Assuming you answer Yes to both, why do you think Yzerman disagrees with you?

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

Nielsen>Ehn>Turgeon

[krsmith17 7,191]

20 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Everything's dumb when you're backed into a corner it seems

Three very simple questions:

In your opinion Turgeon should be on the roster over Nielsen right now. Yes or no?
In your opinion Comrie should have remained on the roster over Howard right now. Yes or no?

Assuming you answer Yes to both, why do you think Yzerman disagrees with you?

This Turgeon over Nielsen thing was next season, and yes I think Turgeon, or literally any other player in Grand Rapids, should make the team over Nielsen next season. And also yes, if it were to happen sooner than next season, I would be happy as well. Nielsen f***ing blows. Get over it.

Yes, I think Comrie should have been given an opportunity over Howard. I'm not sure if waiving Howard would have been the best thing to do, but maybe carry three goaltenders for a while. We should be / will be riding Bernier for the most part anyway. Giving a 24 year old a longer look over a soon to be retired 35 year old, would have been a smart move.

I don't f***ing know why Yzerman disagrees with me... It's funny that you think just because management or coaches do something, it's automatically the right move. I'm not going to pretend to be smarter than Yzerman or Holland or Blashill or Babcock, but they have all made many mistakes, and they will all make many more. This may prove to be a mistake, or it may prove to be a nothing move. 

Now that I've repeated myself for the 10th time, want to drop it? We disagree. We're never going to agree on this. Who gives a f***?

Also, Happy New Year!

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

4 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

 And also yes, if it were to happen sooner than next season, I would be happy as well. Nielsen f***ing blows. Get over it.

So why do you think Yzerman hasn't demoted Nielsen for Turgeon, as you suggest he clearly should?

4 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Yes, I think Comrie should have been given an opportunity over Howard.

Again, if this is so obvious to you, why do you think Yzerman didn't do it? Surely there must be a good reason, no?

4 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I don't f***ing know why Yzerman disagrees with me... It's funny that you think just because management or coaches do something, it's automatically the right move. I'm not going to pretend to be smarter than Yzerman or Holland or Blashill or Babcock, but they have all made many mistakes, and they will all make many more. This may prove to be a mistake, or it may prove to be a nothing move.

Now you're straw-maning the argument. I don't think Yzerman is infallible. In fact, Comrie was quite clearly a mistake on his part, but it was a low-risk mistake and I applaud him for trying it. So lets keep the conversation on point...

4 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

I don't f***ing know why Yzerman disagrees with me...

You're not dumb. Don't pretend it. I know you can think of a reason why Yzerman would prefer Nielsen to Turgeon and Howard to Comrie...whatd ya think?

Happy new decade

 

[kipwinger 8,756]

AA and the lesser of our two 2nd rounders for Tony DeAngelo. Nuff said.  Then draft Stutzle at 4th (being conservative with my expectations). 

Bert-Lark-Mantha

Veleno-Stutzle-Zadina

Fabbri-Ras-Berggren

 

McIsaac-Seider

Cholo-Hronek

DK-DeAngelo

Edited January 10, 2020 by kipwinger

[mackel 763]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

AA and the lesser of our two 2nd rounders for Tony DeAngelo. Nuff said.  Then draft Stutzle at 4th (being conservative with my expectations). 

Bert-Lark-Mantha

Veleno-Stutzle-Zadina

Fabbri-Ras-Berggren

 

McIsaac-Seider

Cholo-Hronek

DK-DeAngelo

Can we add Georgiev to our wish list and toss another pick maybe our own 3rd which is comparable to a late 2nd???   Please can we?

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Why everyone thinks Georgiev is available?

[Dabura 12,232]

8 hours ago, kipwinger said:

AA and the lesser of our two 2nd rounders for Tony DeAngelo.

DeAngelo's on pace for 21 goals and 69 points and he's coming off a 30-point 2018-19 season. So I'm guessing AA and a 2nd wouldn't be enough.

[krsmith17 7,191]

7 hours ago, Dabura said:

DeAngelo's on pace for 21 goals and 69 points and he's coming off a 30-point 2018-19 season. So I'm guessing AA and a 2nd wouldn't be enough.

Also, and I'm not saying I wouldn't want DeAngelo, but we have bigger needs than another right-handed defenseman right now. I'd argue we need more help on the left side, or even more than that, we need to address our lack of quality right-handed wingers...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

6 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Also, and I'm not saying I wouldn't want DeAngelo, but we have bigger needs than another right-handed defenseman right now. I'd argue we need more help on the left side, or even more than that, we need to address our lack of quality right-handed wingers...

I keep seeing deangelo but why would the rangers trade him at this time ? Miller and lundqvist are years away , surely theyd trade skjei before deangelo

Edited January 11, 2020 by nyqvististhefuture

[krsmith17 7,191]

13 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

I keep seeing deangelo but why would the rangers trade him at this time ? Miller and lundqvist are years away , surely theyd trade skjei before deangelo

I agree. Rangers aren't trading DeAngelo, unless it's a significant offer. If we're trading for a defenseman from the Rangers, I'd target Libor Hajek. Big, physical, smooth skating, defenseman with a big shot from the point. He's likely never going to be a big point producing defenseman, but a steady bottom 4 that can kill penalties, shutdown the opposition and chip in a little offensively. He's still only 21 years old (drafted just before Hronek) and likely wouldn't cost a ton in assets.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I agree. Rangers aren't trading DeAngelo, unless it's a significant offer. If we're trading for a defenseman from the Rangers, I'd target Libor Hajek. Big, physical, smooth skating, defenseman with a big shot from the point. He's likely never going to be a big point producing defenseman, but a steady bottom 4 that can kill penalties, shutdown the opposition and chip in a little offensively. He's still only 21 years old (drafted just before Hronek) and likely wouldn't cost a ton in assets.

Id have no problem taking a chance on him maybe and like you said he shouldnt cost much with guys like fox trouba deangelo skjei ahead of him +miller,lundqvist,keane,robertson,jones in the pipeline. Its quite sickening how good the rangers d pipeline is 

id try and target someone though maybe with more upside? Jones ?

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/364649/zachary-jones

could be wrong but id try and get some 19-20 yr olds with maybe some offensive upside while theyre value are down and hope we get lucky, but again nothing wrong with hajek i just think maybe someone we can draft ourselves like a lindstrom  can be a shutdown type dman?

[Dabura 12,232]

34 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Also, and I'm not saying I wouldn't want DeAngelo, but we have bigger needs than another right-handed defenseman right now. I'd argue we need more help on the left side, or even more than that, we need to address our lack of quality right-handed wingers...

I'm not particularly concerned about D handedness at this time, especially if Hronek can comfortably play the left side (and it's looking like he can). Let's say Hronek-Seider is our top pairing; what's our RHD depth look like beyond those two?

I'll keep Hajek in mind tho. Simon Kubiceck is a 2020 draft-eligible LHD who plays a similar game. He's coming off a very impressive WJC.

[krsmith17 7,191]

56 minutes ago, Dabura said:

I'm not particularly concerned about D handedness at this time, especially if Hronek can comfortably play the left side (and it's looking like he can). Let's say Hronek-Seider is our top pairing; what's our RHD depth look like beyond those two?

Yeah, I've suggested a Hronek - Seider top pair in the past, and I'd totally be down with trying that as early as next season. And yeah, if that were to work out, our depth on the right side is pretty bad after those two, so in that sense, I agree. Either way, I highly doubt the Rangers have any desire to move DeAngelo at this time.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

Been looking at some rosters and some teams might have to trade guys or risk losing them to seattle ...i just checked quickly but here are a few guys i think we should maybe consider depending the ask ...

 

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/63250/brendan-guhle

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/142238/oliver-kylington

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/92502/sami-niku

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by nyqvististhefuture

[kipwinger 8,756]

9 hours ago, Dabura said:

DeAngelo's on pace for 21 goals and 69 points and he's coming off a 30-point 2018-19 season. So I'm guessing AA and a 2nd wouldn't be enough.

The Athletic has him on their trade board because NY is stacked on defense, they need help up front, and he's a completely disaster defensively.  Like, really bad.  Which is why I think something like AA and a higher end pick gets it done.

Keep in mind, Jacob Trouba was traded to NY for a middle pair defenseman (Neal Pionk) and a first round pick and Trouba is pretty easily a better all around defenseman.  So I'd say the price is pretty close.

Edited January 11, 2020 by kipwinger

[krsmith17 7,191]

47 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

The Athletic has him on their trade board because NY is stacked on defense, they need help up front, and he's a completely disaster defensively.  Like, really bad.  Which is why I think something like AA and a higher end pick gets it done.

Keep in mind, Jacob Trouba was traded to NY for a middle pair defenseman (Neal Pionk) and a first round pick and Trouba is pretty easily a better all around defenseman.  So I'd say the price is pretty close.

I personally don't have any interest in trading for a defenseman that is a "complete disaster defensively"... Similar reason I had no interest in signing Karlsson to that massive contract last offseason.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-rumors-january-11-2020/

 

AA to edm talk but i dont trust anything that guy says , he was also ranting on twitter last week how the oilers dont wanna move their 1st , id have zero interest in trading AA for say the 53rd pick and some middle prospect , if we cant land a 1st at least id say we hold on to him and try and deal him at the 2021 deadline 

 

[krsmith17 7,191]

Athanasiou is expected to miss the rest of this month, so unless he comes back in a few weeks and puts up 10+ points in February before the deadline, I don't think he'll be moved. Athanasiou is our best trade chip, but his value has plummeted this season. I say hold onto him, hope he heats up down the stretch and trade him this summer / at the draft.

Outside of Athanasiou though, I don't see any of our trade chips bringing back much of a return this deadline. We may be lucky to get a couple mid round picks...

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

Athanasiou is expected to miss the rest of this month, so unless he comes back in a few weeks and puts up 10+ points in February before the deadline, I don't think he'll be moved. Athanasiou is our best trade chip, but his value has plummeted this season. I say hold onto him, hope he heats up down the stretch and trade him this summer / at the draft.

Outside of Athanasiou though, I don't see any of our trade chips bringing back much of a return this deadline. We may be lucky to get a couple mid round picks...

Agreed , not in a rush to move AA this deadline cause i know hes got all the tools to be a 25+ guy , everyones numbers went to s*** this year so im not too worried yet

And ya f***en sucks we dont have any  real assets for the draft , i know i got alot of s*** for the erne deal but id much rather have like the 93rd pick right now  florida got this maccelli kid last year whos doing great and this draft is better so who knows who drops down , anyways wont get into that again 

sucks we couldnt have converted nyquist deal into a 2nd rounder .... im hoping some contender sees some value in green with a change of scenery and maybe we land a late 2nd or a 3rd outside of that maybe a 5-7 for daley if were lucky? 3rd for howard if a starter gets hurt? 3rd for helm if we eat salary?

I know if teams call up and say we’d give you a 2nd for glendening or nemeth id do it . I know we need bodies to surround the kids but theres always ufa or teams looking to shed salary in the off season. Heck take in a dead weight contract now if it means we land some picks , we have a bunch of kids coming next couple seasons so we can afford it . It’ll be hard to land a first but if we can go from 2 2nds to 4/5 of them then do it

Edited January 11, 2020 by nyqvististhefuture

[krsmith17 7,191]

32 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Agreed , not in a rush to move AA this deadline cause i know hes got all the tools to be a 25+ guy , everyones numbers went to s*** this year so im not too worried yet

And ya f***en sucks we dont have any  real assets for the draft , i know i got alot of s*** for the erne deal but id much rather have like the 93rd pick right now  florida got this maccelli kid last year whos doing great and this draft is better so who knows who drops down , anyways wont get into that again 

sucks we couldnt have converted nyquist deal into a 2nd rounder .... im hoping some contender sees some value in green with a change of scenery and maybe we land a late 2nd or a 3rd outside of that maybe a 5-7 for daley if were lucky? 3rd for howard if a starter gets hurt? 3rd for helm if we eat salary?

I know if teams call up and say we’d give you a 2nd for glendening or nemeth id do it . I know we need bodies to surround the kids but theres always ufa or teams looking to shed salary in the off season. Heck take in a dead weight contract now if it means we land some picks , we have a bunch of kids coming next couple seasons so we can afford it . It’ll be hard to land a first but if we can go from 2 2nds to 4/5 of them then do it

I don't think any of our trade pieces will garner anything more than a 3rd round pick, including Green. Daley might get a mid round pick if we retain salary. Same goes for Helm. I don't think Howard has any value right now. There will better goalies available. I'd hold onto Glendening and Nemeth for now, unless a team is willing to overpay.