kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Perlini is a Darren Ferris player. Ditch him. Also, and more importantly, he's f*cking terrible. 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,132 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) Obviously I'd love to see some deals and a UFA or two that may help us now and later (I consider Gagner one of those) and absolutely I'd love for us to have Lafrienere here. I do like the trade scenario for Bokk up above too, it'd be great to have him in the organization, but I was only working with folks that are on this roster now (outside of Ryan Miller.) re: Draft Lottery, I ran the tankathon 12 times before we stayed #1, we dropped to 4th 9 times. Get ready for Marci Rossi or Stutzle, both of which I'd be more than ecstatic to have! Which is why, IF we won the #1, I'd listen to all competing offers to move down. If Montreal is #4 and they want my #1, it'll cost the #4, 2020 2nd, Domi, Suzuki and Caufeild. I'll be perfectly happy with that haul and drafting Rossi or Stutzle. This would be inter-division, so I would be demanding a ton in return, same with Ottawa. If not, I listen to a western team and see what's what out there. I know Lafrienere is a "Cheat Code" but you have to listen to offers... quick note, after the 12th time, I ran the lottery 3 more times and we stayed there for 4 in a row. Should be interesting! When is the lottery? Edited March 10, 2020 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: Perlini is a Darren Ferris player. Ditch him. Already got rid of Athanasiou... Zadina is also a client of Ferris... 7 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Also, and more importantly, he's f*cking terrible. "F***ing terrible", but yet still better than Ehn, Erne, among others... 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Already got rid of Athanasiou... Zadina is also a client of Ferris... "F***ing terrible", but yet still better than Ehn, Erne, among others... Lol 2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Already got rid of Athanasiou... Zadina is also a client of Ferris... Yeah ******* trade him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Already got rid of Athanasiou... Zadina is also a client of Ferris... "F***ing terrible", but yet still better than Ehn, Erne, among others... Should have known you'd come to defend him. Perlini is the loser's loser. Case in point. A few short weeks ago you were calling him an "established middle six scorer". You're the Brendan Perlini of LGW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Should have known you'd come to defend him. Perlini is the loser's loser. Case in point. A few short weeks ago you were calling him an "established middle six scorer". You're the Brendan Perlini of LGW. "Come to defend him"... LOL Perlini WAS an established middle six (3rd line) *winger* before he came to Detroit... What changed I wonder... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: "Come to defend him"... LOL Perlini WAS an established middle six (3rd line) *winger* before he came to Detroit... What changed I wonder... Yeah, it must be Detroit. Which is why he's been outscored by Red Wing superstars like Luke Glendening, Darren Helm, Adam Erne, Jacob De La Rose, Taro Hirose, Franz Nielsen, Patrick Nemeth, and Trevor Daly this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Yeah, it must be Detroit. Which is why he's been outscored by Red Wing superstars like Luke Glendening, Darren Helm, Adam Erne, Jacob De La Rose, Taro Hirose, Franz Nielsen, Patrick Nemeth, and Trevor Daly this season. No, you're right. It's obviously nothing to do with the team / coach. He clearly forgot how to hockey... Or is it that he never knew how to hockey, he just fluked into being a 25-35 point pace winger each of the first three seasons of his young career?... I have Glendening and Helm ahead of him in the depth chart, so that point is moot. Erne "outscored him" by one f***ing point in 18 more games... de la Rose isn't with the organization anymore... An argument could be made for Hirose, but he's not suited to play a 4th line role... Nielsen needs to go... Who else would be SO much better suited to be our 12th forward at near league minimum?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, krsmith17 said: No, you're right. It's obviously nothing to do with the team / coach. He clearly forgot how to hockey... Or is it that he never knew how to hockey, he just fluked into being a 25-35 point pace winger each of the first three seasons of his young career?... I have Glendening and Helm ahead of him in the depth chart, so that point is moot. Erne "outscored him" by one f***ing point in 18 more games... de la Rose isn't with the organization anymore... An argument could be made for Hirose, but he's not suited to play a 4th line role... Nielsen needs to go... Who else would be SO much better suited to be our 12th forward at near league minimum?... The point is that he doesn't score any more than a bunch of non-scoring losers on the same team, with the same coach. He f*cking sucks. Which is why he's about to play his way off of his third team in his "young career". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, kipwinger said: The point is that he doesn't score any more than a bunch of non-scoring losers on the same team, with the same coach. He f*cking sucks. Which is why he's about to play his way off of his third team in his "young career". "Played his way off" is certainly one way to put it... or maybe he was twice traded for because teams liked what they saw in him... Yzerman obviously did, giving up a pretty decent prospect to get him. The physical tools are there, but maybe the mental tools are lacking. Either way, he doesn't "suck". Not any more than any of the other options to fill that spot anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: "Played his way off" is certainly one way to put it... or maybe he was twice traded for because teams liked what they saw in him... Yzerman obviously did, giving up a pretty decent prospect to get him. The physical tools are there, but maybe the mental tools are lacking. Either way, he doesn't "suck". Not any more than any of the other options to fill that spot anyway. And how has that worked out for the teams who "liked what they saw"? I'm sure they're all wringing their hands because they lost such a bona fide talent, what with all of his physical tools and all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, kipwinger said: And how has that worked out for the teams who "liked what they saw"? I'm sure they're all wringing their hands because they lost such a bona fide talent, what with all of his physical tools and all. There are a ton of dumb f***s on the internet, but you're definitely one of the dumbest f***s... You're acting as if I was saying he's a stud, when in reality, literally all I was saying is that I'd have him in the lineup over Ehn or Erne... I pegged him in as our 12th forward, and you come in guns blazin', "blah, blah he sucks blah, blah, blah"... Cool... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,132 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) IMO, Perlini is a better choice financially and for where this team is right now, than any expensive UFA out there that may be interested in here for a similar role. Nothing wrong with Perlini, as much as I used to get on Franzen and Hudler about them "sucking" I don't think any of them sucked to the point of not being able to play in the NHL. I just didn't like them. Perlini, while he is obviously NOT Bertuzzi or Mantha, he is, to me, a much better choice than any of Filppula, Nielsen or Abby. If we could ditch 2 of those players, re-signing Perlini wouldn't cause so much commotion. I happen to think a line of Perlini - Glenny - Erne could be a very good 4th line, not just on our team either. But since we probably cannot get rid of two of the players mentioned above, or even one of them, Perlini will be just a 13th/14th forward here. Oh, and ya....Jeff Blashill. Edited March 10, 2020 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Who else would be SO much better suited to be our 12th forward at near league minimum?... Ehn 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Ehn Nah. I disagree. For me it goes Perline > Erne > Ehn for that spot... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 16 hours ago, mackel said: You don't buy out Neilson and/or Abby... we've got cap to burn... send them to the AHL to "mentor" their cap hit doesn't get extended and like I said their cap hit along with the players replacing them won't eat up all our cap, not even close. Agree about Abby. I would just ride out that contract. Nielsen, on the other hand, I would buyout next summer. 7 hours ago, krsmith17 said: If we're buying out a player, it needs to be Nielsen, not Filppula. Filppula is the one player on the team that makes zero sense to buyout, as it does nothing for us cap wise. He's on a "35 plus contract", and therefore, if he were bought out, the entire $3M would remain on the books for next season regardless. Filppula is also a much better player at this point, and he's also a player Yzerman signed less than a year ago. It's much easier to buyout a player that your predecessor signed, rather than the one you just signed... Although your reasoning is sound, I respectfully disagree. I'm buying out Flip for a couple of reasons. 1. It's only a 2 year cap hit, vs 4 for Nielsen and 6 for Abby. 2. Would rather have the RH Gagner as my 2C/3C. 3. I'm only buying out anyone at all to free up a roster spot. I want to see all of Svech, Moose, and Timo on the roster next year. 4 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: 1. screw Perlini 2. Lindstrom ( > Bowey) is here to stay Agreed. I forgot about Lindstrom and would expect to see him on the roster over Bowey or Biega. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 3 hours ago, krsmith17 said: Already got rid of Athanasiou... Zadina is also a client of Ferris... "F***ing terrible", but yet still better than Ehn, Erne, among others... I dont think you understand how Ferris and the Winged Wheel go together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Although your reasoning is sound, I respectfully disagree. I'm buying out Flip for a couple of reasons. 1. It's only a 2 year cap hit, vs 4 for Nielsen and 6 for Abby. 2. Would rather have the RH Gagner as my 2C/3C. 3. I'm only buying out anyone at all to free up a roster spot. I want to see all of Svech, Moose, and Timo on the roster next year. Again, a Filppula buyout makes no sense. There's only two reasons to buy a player out, and that's if A) useless player or B) albatross contract. Neither apply to Filppula. He is still an effective player on a pretty decent contract. He would have trade value this summer, and even more at next year's deadline, especially with retained salary. Also, like I said, where it's a "35 plus contract" the buyout would be the full $3M next season, and next season only. Nielsen, in my opinion, would be the only logical buyout candidate on the roster going into next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted March 11, 2020 Christopher Ehn now has 100% more goals than Brendan Perlini and is 10000% better in every other facet of the game. 2 marcaractac and ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted March 11, 2020 Ehn says suck it to his haters 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted March 11, 2020 @krsmith17 and @LeftWinger I dunno why youve chosen to die on this hill lol. Perlini is beyond awful. He brings absolutely nothing to the ice each night. I prefer just about every forward on the roster to him. Even Nielsen and Abby. Both Erne and Ehn are far more valuable players, which is crazy seeing as Ehn and Erne are replaceable bottom 6ers. Liking Perlini is clown world level retardation. Yzerman f***edddd up on that trade Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 11, 2020 4 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: @krsmith17 and @LeftWinger I dunno why youve chosen to die on this hill lol. Perlini is beyond awful. He brings absolutely nothing to the ice each night. I prefer just about every forward on the roster to him. Even Nielsen and Abby. Both Erne and Ehn are far more valuable players, which is crazy seeing as Ehn and Erne are replaceable bottom 6ers. Liking Perlini is clown world level retardation. Yzerman f***edddd up on that trade It's not about "liking" Perlini, or "disliking" Ehn, but saying that you'd prefer a career 0.318 point percentage player over a career 0.114 point percentage player in your bottom six isn't exactly the hottest of hot takes... Ehn is better defensively, but Perlini is WAY better offensively, despite his struggles this season. You seem to believe that Ehn can continue to develop, but Perlini is what he is, despite being the same age (22 days younger)... It's actually hilarious how bent out of shape some of you get over the 12th forward on this terrible (historically bad) roster... The love for Ehn shows what an awful state this team is in... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted March 11, 2020 Ehn > Perlini 1 ChristopherReevesLegs reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted March 11, 2020 3 hours ago, krsmith17 said: It's not about "liking" Perlini, or "disliking" Ehn, but saying that you'd prefer a career 0.318 point percentage player over a career 0.114 point percentage player in your bottom six isn't exactly the hottest of hot takes... Ehn is better defensively, but Perlini is WAY better offensively, despite his struggles this season. You seem to believe that Ehn can continue to develop, but Perlini is what he is, despite being the same age (22 days younger)... It's actually hilarious how bent out of shape some of you get over the 12th forward on this terrible (historically bad) roster... The love for Ehn shows what an awful state this team is in... I'll go out on a limb and say the issue is that, for whatever reason, you refuse to acknowledge how much the boy has sucked this season and the IRL Betas who act like LGWs Alphas see it as something they can expoit to get under your skin. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted March 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: I'll go out on a limb and say the issue is that, for whatever reason, you refuse to acknowledge how much the boy has sucked this season... But the thing is, I do acknowledge that he's sucked. He's been bad. Extremely disappointing based on previous seasons, and what we gave up to acquire him. I had high hopes for him, and he's failed miserably. However, I'm not ready to give up on him, after one awful season, when he's proven to be a more than capable, productive 3rd line winger in the past. I chalk it up to the fact that just about every single (bottom six) forward on this team has sucked ass this entire season. I'm not suggesting we should invest a ton in him, because h clearly hasn't earned it. I'm suggesting we offer him a short-term, prove it contract, that can easily be waived / traded if it doesn't work out. I think he has a ton more potential than Ehn, but he could just as easily be another Jurco. I fully acknowledge that. If given the choice 5 years ago between Jurco or Andersson, I would have obviously picked Jurco, and I'd make the same decision today between Perlini and Ehn. 33 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: ... the IRL Betas who act like LGWs Alphas see it as something they can expoit to get under your skin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
