2020 Offseason

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm right there with you. 

Something to consider: with how screwed up this coming season is likely to be, combined with how screwed up the offseason has been especially for young players/prospects, it's entirely likely that Yzerman is being cautious about filling to many holes with kids at least to start the season. From reading people's comments here it seems no one wants to plug holes with expensive free agents either. The results? Another terrible plug-ridden roster with far far far away tunnel light. 

I want to gain assets for bad contracts but id also want to see bad players go and see someone like svechnikov who will likely be gone actually have a shot with skilled linemates before we put the final nail in the coffin and not play a 4th line role and wonder why he failed 

perlini,ehn,hirose will probably not be signed or dealt for cheap ... yzerman will refuse to say he f***ed up with erne yet and be brought back .... abdelkader ahl , helm will be dealt to someone after that who knows filppula/glendening will be trade bait at the deadline

2 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

For the millionth time, I'm not bothered by the trade. I'm bothered that he intends to play Staal, specifically to tank, and is trying to paint a silver lining by talking about veteran leadership and culture and blah blah blah. I have ZERO issue with using the cap space to get future assets. I have a big problem with a defense made up of Dekeyser, Nemeth, Staal, and not Cholowski or Lindstrom.

Lindstrom will stick , bowey is a goner i think ... sadly i dont think yzerman’s a fan of cholowski though and he’ll be a goner in some package

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Just now, nyqvististhefuture said:

I want to gain assets for bad contracts but id also want to see bad players go and see someone like svechnikov who will likely be gone actually have a shot with skilled linemates before we put the final nail in the coffin and not play a 4th line role and wonder why he failed 

perlini,ehn,hirose will probably not be signed or dealt for cheap ... yzerman will refuse to say he f***ed up with erne yet and be brought back .... abdelkader ahl , helm will be dealt to someone after that who knows filppula/glendening will be trade bait at the deadline

You want to gain assists for bad contracts but don't want any bad players? 

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9 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

You want to gain assists for bad contracts but don't want any bad players? 

I'm pretty sure he's saying he doesn't want bad players actually playing. But I'd also add that "bad contracts" do not always equal "bad players" though in Staal's case that seems to be true.

[krsmith17 7,191]

6 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

For the millionth time, I'm not bothered by the trade. I'm bothered that he intends to play Staal, specifically to tank, and is trying to paint a silver lining by talking about veteran leadership and culture and blah blah blah. I have ZERO issue with using the cap space to get future assets. I have a big problem with a defense made up of Dekeyser, Nemeth, Staal, and not Cholowski or Lindstrom.

And again, this is not the final roster, and until we see Cholowski and Lindstrom scratched or demoted, why are you complaining? I also think there's a possibility (maybe not likely) that Staal has more in the tank, and can prove to be a valuable trade asset at next year's trade deadline.

We need a bounce back season for DeKeyser, and we need solid production from Nemeth and Staal to trade at the deadline. If that is Yzerman's plan, I'm all for it, and I'd be okay with Cholowski playing another half season in Grand Rapids (or wherever he plays this coming season).

I think 2021-22 is when we'll really start to see some roster turnover. Some contracts have expired, some more will expire after this season, and more will be traded / bought out, with one less year remaining. I expect all of Rasmussen, Veleno, Cholowski to get looks next season, but all will be full time by the following season.  

I wouldn't say Yzerman is outright tanking. I don't think he ever wants to see a season like last season. But he knows where this team is at, and understands that we're still a few years away. Continue building, and stockpile prospects and draft picks. 

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17 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Lindstrom will stick , bowey is a goner i think ... sadly i dont think yzerman’s a fan of cholowski though and he’ll be a goner in some package

You keep saying this, but I have no idea why... Have you heard or read anything that would give you the impression that Yzerman isn't a fan of Cholowski? If you said Blashill, I'd understand it a bit, just from the way he's been utilized, but I don't get Yzerman not liking him...

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18 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I'm pretty sure he's saying he doesn't want bad players actually playing. But I'd also add that "bad contracts" do not always equal "bad players" though in Staal's case that seems to be true.

Yeah. I realized this after the fact. But when you start looking through other teams lineups at guys that fit any sort of bad contract-for-assets scenario, most of these guys are still going to play unless you a) buy them out (which no one really wants to do) or b) trade them (along with a 2nd round pick? lol) 

It just reeks of cake and eat it to me. 

Edited September 28, 2020 by The 91 of Ryans

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12 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

And again, this is not the final roster, and until we see Cholowski and Lindstrom scratched or demoted, why are you complaining? I also think there's a possibility (maybe not likely) that Staal has more in the tank, and can prove to be a valuable trade asset at next year's trade deadline.

We need a bounce back season for DeKeyser, and we need solid production from Nemeth and Staal to trade at the deadline. If that is Yzerman's plan, I'm all for it, and I'd be okay with Cholowski playing another half season in Grand Rapids (or wherever he plays this coming season).

I think 2021-22 is when we'll really start to see some roster turnover. Some contracts have expired, some more will expire after this season, and more will be traded / bought out, with one less year remaining. I expect all of Rasmussen, Veleno, Cholowski to get looks next season, but all will be full time by the following season.  

I wouldn't say Yzerman is outright tanking. I don't think he ever wants to see a season like last season. But he knows where this team is at, and understands that we're still a few years away. Continue building, and stockpile prospects and draft picks. 

Because Yzerman said that Staal will play in the press conference he gave. If that's not true, then great. I'm just taking Steve-O at face value.

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28 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

You want to gain assists for bad contracts but don't want any bad players? 

Just want to get rid of some of the garbage we already have lol how can we take more garbage if we have abdelkader helm glendening nielsen  filppula gagner  bottom 6? +  ehn erne perlini hirose svechnikov are in the mix ... where we fit eriksson? Lmao

yzerman needs to blackmail nill into taking helm ... f*** we’re gonna suck

21 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I'm pretty sure he's saying he doesn't want bad players actually playing. But I'd also add that "bad contracts" do not always equal "bad players" though in Staal's case that seems to be true.

In a perfect world they wouldnt be playing lmao ... id take an alzner and bury his ass but id also take eriksson if we got a ton back ... just have to slash some of the garbage we already have which is alot lol

[krsmith17 7,191]

2 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Because Yzerman said that Staal will play in the press conference he gave. If that's not true, then great. I'm just taking Steve-O at face value.

What are you talking about? I specifically said I want Staal to play. We should all want Staal to play, and hopefully play reasonably well. GM's always overvalue "hard to play against defensive defensemen", especially come playoff time. He may have some trade value on his name alone. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think that a playoff team could look at him, and say, he could be a good fit on our 3rd pairing, cost us next to nothing in cap space (assuming we retain), and only a mid round pick. 

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13 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

You keep saying this, but I have no idea why... Have you heard or read anything that would give you the impression that Yzerman isn't a fan of Cholowski? If you said Blashill, I'd understand it a bit, just from the way he's been utilized, but I don't get Yzerman not liking him...

Just a gut feeling , yzerman could have told him to play him more and not have sent him down he decides that ... with seider lindstrom coming ... likely a d next year + tuomisto/johansson i can see him being moved in a package deal if it meant getting another 1st etc... back 

nemeth staal dekeyer seider hronek lindstrom bowey ... garbage we take back now possibly or a ufa i dont see much room for him , think we’re leaning more lindstrom as hes more safe

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2 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Just want to get rid of some of the garbage we already have lol how can we take more garbage if we have abdelkader helm glendening nielsen  filppula gagner  bottom 6? +  ehn erne perlini hirose svechnikov are in the mix ... where we fit eriksson? Lmao

yzerman needs to blackmail nill into taking helm ... f*** we’re gonna suck

In a perfect world they wouldnt be playing lmao ... id take an alzner and bury his ass but id also take eriksson if we got a ton back ... just have to slash some of the garbage we already have which is alot lol

Here's what I wish would happen with the players we already have that are mostly bottom 6 guys.  Bury Abby in GR, buyout one of Nielsen or Filppula (or both if possible, or hell bury them in GR as well!) I would not sign Ehn, Erne, Pelini, or Hirose, if I did, then they too would all be in GR. If any of these guys get picked up off waivers, even better. I am still more than ok with Gagner here. I am not a Helm fan, but he has more value than Abby, as does Glenny. Svech can attempt to make the team. I re-sign Timashov.

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14 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Yeah. I realized this after the fact. But when you start looking through other teams lineups at guys that fit any sort of bad contract-for-assets scenario, most of these guys are still going to play unless you a) buy them out (which the current team could do themselves) or b) trade them (along with a 2nd round pick? lol) 

It just reeks of cake and eat it to me. 

Ummm teams are pretty much looking at getting rid of overpaid players who suck so they’d likely be a bad player ... if we can get in on stepan and send the 65 and get back a 2022 2nd id do it i think it would suck getting rid of the 65 as theres alot i like this yr but 2022 is good as well and would likely be a 32-45 pick and we can flip stepan at the deadline

arizona are desperate for picks since they pick in the 4th , cant see anyone giving a 2-3rd alone for stepan at 6.5 hit and lacklustre production last few seasons ... maybe inbetween fabbri and zadina he can get to the 40-50 pt mark and fetch us the 3rd back at the deadline

5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

What are you talking about? I specifically said I want Staal to play. We should all want Staal to play, and hopefully play reasonably well. GM's always overvalue "hard to play against defensive defensemen", especially come playoff time. He may have some trade value on his name alone. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think that a playoff team could look at him, and say, he could be a good fit on our 3rd pairing, cost us next to nothing in cap space (assuming we retain), and only a mid round pick. 

Hes a shell of the player he use to be dude we’ll be lucky to get some doritos for him

3 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Here's what I wish would happen with the players we already have that are mostly bottom 6 guys.  Bury Abby in GR, buyout one of Nielsen or Filppula (or both if possible, or hell bury them in GR as well!) I would not sign Ehn, Erne, Pelini, or Hirose, if I did, then they too would all be in GR. If any of these guys get picked up off waivers, even better. I am still more than ok with Gagner here. I am not a Helm fan, but he has more value than Abby, as does Glenny. Svech can attempt to make the team. I re-sign Timashov.

Abdelkader yes ... i hang on to filppula as he’ll be trade deadline bait for his “playoff experience” ... nielsen id wait one more year eat 50% and ship him to a bottom floor team who’ll spend only 1.5 but get a 5+ cap hit 

id see if i can get a 5-7th pick for each of those , since theyre all cheap you never know if not yes let them walk

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1 minute ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Ummm teams are pretty much looking at getting rid of overpaid players who suck so they’d likely be a bad player ... if we can get in on stepan and send the 65 and get back a 2022 2nd id do it i think it would suck getting rid of the 65 as theres alot i like this yr but 2022 is good as well and would likely be a 32-45 pick and we can flip stepan at the deadline

arizona are desperate for picks since they pick in the 4th , cant see anyone giving a 2-3rd alone for stepan at 6.5 hit and lacklustre production last few seasons ... maybe inbetween fabbri and zadina he can get to the 40-50 pt mark and fetch us the 3rd back at the deadline

No s***. But these guys, like Staal, are still going to play. So if you want the assets, you have to be prepared to watch these guys actually play on this team's roster.  There aren't many Datsyuk contracts out there. 

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4 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

No s***. But these guys, like Staal, are still going to play. So if you want the assets, you have to be prepared to watch these guys actually play on this team's roster.  There aren't many Datsyuk contracts out there. 

Or we can actually bury them? If we traded for alzner you’d put both staal and alzner out there? That would be a fun season lmao

We can trade for a guy eat 50% off and make them more digestable and flip them again for more assets ... there’s options 

[krsmith17 7,191]

6 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Hes a shell of the player he use to be dude we’ll be lucky to get some doritos for him

I'm well aware, but he is going to play, and I do think he could be a trade asset at next year's trade deadline. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I think with the change of scenery, Staal is going to have a bit of a resurgence next season. I'm not expecting him to put up huge numbers, but a decent shutdown defenseman, and quality penalty killer. He will be a top 4 defenseman (as scary as that is) on this team.

Just now, nyqvististhefuture said:

Or we can actually bury them? If we traded for alzner you’d put both staal and alzner out there? That would be a fun season lmao

We can trade for a guy eat 50% off and make them more digestable and flip them again for more assets ... there’s options 

We just acquired Staal. I highly doubt we're going after Alzner or any other bad defensive defenseman. If Yzerman makes another trade for another bad contract, I expect it to be for a forward (Eriksson).

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

3 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I'm well aware, but he is going to play, and I do think he could be a trade asset at next year's trade deadline. This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I think with the change of scenery, Staal is going to have a bit of a resurgence next season. I'm not expecting him to put up huge numbers, but a decent shutdown defenseman, and quality penalty killer. He will be a top 4 defenseman (as scary as that is) on this team.

We just acquired Staal. I highly doubt we're going after Alzner or any other bad defensive defenseman. If Yzerman makes another trade for another bad contract, I expect it to be for a forward (Eriksson).

I hope your right but i see him more as a daley/ericsson situation where we’ll receive no offers 

why not? If we take alzner and bury him id do it in a heartbeat for more assets makes no sense not to ... i doubt anyone trades for him and plays for a team ... more picks the better

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Just now, CatBoyRossi said:

The funniest thing about this thread is that folks think Staal is gonna be flipped at the deadline. No one is gonna call asking for Staal. He is Ericsson/Daley tier at this point in his career.

True. Staal can eat a bag of dicks ammiriet? . Is that U in your avatar? 

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[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

3 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

 

 

Yeah. With a flat cap and so many strapped teams, I think he was crazy to not take this deal and stay in Boston. 

Unless that last Bruin's offer was back in February or something. 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

2 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said:

No. That's my favorite cam girl.

She's got nice traps. 

[Akakabuto 1,863]

3 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said:

Was about to post this. He shot this down which means his asking is probably $8 and he'll get like 7-7.5. Yikes.

Stay away, Stephen.

[krsmith17 7,191]

16 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said:

The funniest thing about this thread is that folks think Staal is gonna be flipped at the deadline. No one is gonna call asking for Staal. He is Ericsson/Daley tier at this point in his career.

The funniest thing about this comment is that people think there's no way Staal could garner any interest at the trade deadline, because GM's never over value mediocre big defensive defensemen...

Marc Staal at the age of 33 >>> Erik Gudbranson at the age of 27...

[Akakabuto 1,863]

1 minute ago, CatBoyRossi said:

The rumor from rearadmiral is Florida/Detroit/Vegas/Colorado. I don't think Colorado can make that cap hit work. Not sure why Vegas would need another LHD.... really hoping it's Florida. They did just ditch Matheson on the left side...

I really hope Detroit is thrown in there because >muh hometown reasons

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

2 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said:

The rumor from rearadmiral is Florida/Detroit/Vegas/Colorado. I don't think Colorado can make that cap hit work. Not sure why Vegas would need another LHD.... really hoping it's Florida. They did just ditch Matheson on the left side...

and they have a new GM looking to make a splash and they're dumb. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

21 minutes ago, CatBoyRossi said:

lol Marc is lucky Stephen Tankerman is out there to keep him employed

If Staal were bought out by the Rangers or Red Wings before next season, he would absolutely get signed by some NHL general manager. For that same reason, some NHL general manager will trade for him at next year's trade deadline. Marc it!