2021 Draft

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16 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

I don't know why this is constantly the line of argumentation. It makes absolutely zero sense.

Dionne, Lafontaine, Henrik Sedin, Lindros, and Roenick never won cups. Proving you shouldn't bother drafting elite centers.
Kariya, Bure, Daniel Sedin, Neely, Keith Tkachuk, and Ciccarelli never won cups. Proving you shouldn't bother drafting elite wingers.
Karlsson, Subban, and Oates never won cups. Proving you shouldn't bother drafting elite Dmen.

What were Devils even thinking with Brodeur? Why did Holland waste our good skating talent trading for a Hasek we didn't need? Didn't they know Lundqvist and Price never won cups?

Total Strawman.

No one is saying you shouldn't draft elite goalies, or not in the first round at all.

1. You don't have to draft one at #6. Vasilevskiy, Rask, and Varlamov, to name a few, were all late 1st rounders. And most starting NHL goalies weren't 1st round picks at all.

2. Skaters drafted in the first round are more likely to pan out than goalies. Goalies are far less predictable. Something to keep in mind when rebuilding a storied franchise.

3. You still have to have good players at all positions, good coaching, trainers, scouts, etc. No one has said otherwise.

4. Starting goaltenders are easier to find later on than top line forwards or top pair defenseman.

5. You can win a Stanley Cup with a solid, if not spectacular, goalie with a great team in front of them. Not so much the other way around.

All of these are arguments that I have made. Let's not fabricate new ones.

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5 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

You can say any team could have had a great player but were bad at developing players . Facts are we been abysmal at drafting goaltenders pretty  much our whole franchise and seem to refuse to do anything to change that

So you think the only way to change that, is by drafting a goaltender in the top 10?

8 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Will there be elite skating talent that come out of this draft? Sure but i dont know if thatll happen in the 1-15 range where we’ll be picking so i cant see us picking a stankoven at 6 for example and relishing the fact we were so much smarter than everyone else for taking him so early

LOL What? You don't know if there will be elite skaters available in the 1-15 range, but there might be elite talent available in the latter half of the 1st or 2nd round??? Kent Johnson likely isn't elite, but Logan Stankoven might be elite?

11 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Skaters are taken in the first few rounds more often cause at the end of the day facts are facts and theres only now 32 #1 goaltending spots in the league so its normal teams wont draft a bunch early on . Its common sense . But alot of them arent worthy enough of being elite goaltending prospects to warrant being picked in the first round . Theres tons of skaters drafted in the 1st round who are busts . Id much rather take a swing at someone than take the predictable nhl player whos a bottom 6 guy

I think it has much more to do with the fact that most general managers value skater positions more than goalie positions (for good reason), and also know how difficult it is to project the goaltender position.

Wallstedt is going to be elite. All of the skaters are going to be bottom 6 guys. Makes sense...

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1 minute ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

I told you already plenty of analysis to be seen/read online do the research ... Knight and askarov would have been top 10 picks if not for people like you who are too afraid  but years from now some teams will be pissed at themselves for not taking them

Ya great logic there ... 32 #1 spots obviously more forwards and dmen will be picked in the top 10 over a goalie . When an elite #1 goalie prospect pops up every few years you do your homework and determine if hes worth it not to take in the top 10-15 .When its this kind of a draft and goalie prospect involved id say its well worth the risk 

yes nobody agrees with me , just like nobody agreed with me we’d draft lucas raymond or petruzzelli wasnt gonna resign here but it happened. Maybe you should cut the s*** and relax and get yourself ready for jesper so your head doesn’t explode when we draft him

Lol. Wait, so the 10 and 11 NHL GMs (including Steve Yzerman twice) who didn't pick Knight and Askarov are "people like me"? I'll take that.

This should probably tell you something. If you have to trivialize the collective wisdom of some of the best and brightest minds in hockey just to prove a point, you're probably wrong.

 

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8 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Has what we been doing in the past been working? No , we have a top notch goalie prospect falling into our lap with no real top end forward/d there at 6 but lets pick a nice 2nd line winger just cause were not suppose to ever pick a goalie in the top 10 draft . Makes sense

Dude arent you the one who said because this draft year wasnt heavily scouted and lots of players didnt play that gems would be found later on? (Which i agree with) than whats to say a guy a picked 50th wont be better than a johnson?

and i think the fact theres only 32 spots is a factor , i never said to draft a goalie in the 1st round always , only when its the right draft year and talent available 

Never said bottom 6 guys but sure . Even if the player ends up being  a 3-4dman or a 2nd line winger id take the #1 goalie over that every day

If he's so good why are there 10-11 guys ranked ahead of him on EVERY single prospect ranking? You keep saying there are no top end skaters but literally EVERY prospect ranking lists skaters and defensemen higher than Wallstedt. You're literally just making things up. There is not a single prospect ranking that doesn't have William Eklund (for example) listed as a better player than Jesper Wallstedt. NOT ONE.

Edited July 1, 2021 by kipwinger

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38 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

>delayed signing with Detroit to complete his degree... didn't complete his degree
>major Bruins fan from Mass
>Bruins need tendies
>unfollowed the Red Wings on social media
>no call no show to Red Wings podcasts
>1 month from FA

like 10 er 5

 

Can we trade rights of drafted but unsigned players? Just give him to Boston for Swayman  

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2 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

You don't need to draft forwards at #6 either. Boeser, Barzal, and Pastrnak, to name a few, were all late 1st rounders.

Absolutely not true.

Absolutely not true. Lots of goalies come from later rounds sure, mostly because very few are ever drafted in the 1st round to begin with, but success rate from later round goalies is EXTREMELY low.

Including the net! agreed.

You can win a stanley cup with solid, if not spectacular, defense + forwards too.

Price didn't win a cup so you don't need elite goalies. And Bure didn't win a cup so you don't need elite wingers. I've studied the logic. 

Stop. You're not even in favor of drafting Wallstedt and so this entire exercise is just annoying. At least the other guy believes what he's saying. You're just being a pain in the ass.

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2 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Has what we been doing in the past been working? No

Has what we've been doing in the past been working? 4 Stanley Cups in the past quarter century, so I would say so, yes. You can say that we won't ever have a team like the '97 team, or the '98 team, or the '02 team, but we absolutely could have a team as good as the '08 team. We're in the middle of a rebuild, and have hit rock bottom. Of course things haven't been working for the past 10+ years. It's the natural cycle of sports.

We did have a good, not great Jimmy Howard that we selected in the 2nd round. He never won s*** in the playoffs, but that's because he didn't have the teams in front of him, not because he wasn't a capable goaltender. If Corey Crawford could win multiple Stanley Cups, Jimmy Howard could have as well.

I'm sure we could get another Jimmy Howard caliber goaltender via the draft, trade or even free agency, once we've built up enough talent in front of the net.

10 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

we have a top notch goalie prospect falling into our lap with no real top end forward/d there at 6 but lets pick a nice 2nd line winger just cause were not suppose to ever pick a goalie in the top 10 draft . Makes sense

Again with the no real top end talent at the top of the draft besides Wallstedt. It's bulls***. There will be top end talent outside of the goalie available at 6th overall.

11 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Dude arent you the one who said because this draft year wasnt heavily scouted and lots of players didnt play that gems would be found later on? (Which i agree with) than whats to say a guy a picked 50th wont be better than a johnson?

Yes, I do think there will be talent available in the latter half of the 1st round and 2nd round, but not more so than will be available at 6th overall...

12 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Never said bottom 6 guys but sure . Even if the player ends up being  a 3-4dman or a 2nd line winger id take the #1 goalie over that every day

You did though...

35 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Id much rather take a swing at someone than take the predictable nhl player whos a bottom 6 guy

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19 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Honestly, Belfour has more wins BECAUSE he played 200 more games...BUT if you go by winning % Belfour is at .502 and Osgood is at .538, so you can argue that Osgood was the better winning goalie in less games played. Osgood belongs in the Hall, there no question. But since he was "normal" and wasn't flashy, he always gets crapped on. I don't care what team he played on, how good the defense was, throughout their careers, Belfour and Brodeur played on the 2 of the top 3 defensive teams in the NHL, Dallas and New Jersey always were at the top of the league when it comes to defense. Patrick Roy as well. A great goalie can only take you so far, you NEED that team in front of you to win.  So ask yourself this if you think the ONLY reason Osgood was so, well, Good, is because of the Red Wings, then how good would Belfour, Brodeur and even Roy have been on crappy teams? Just look at the year Belfour was traded to San Jose. He was 11 and 15 on a Chicago team that was going downhill, he gets traded to San Jose and goes 3-9. He didn't come back to being a "great" goalie until he went to Dallas, (again) one of the best defensive teams in the NHL. Osgood, for comparison, got picked up by the Isles on waivers (Thanks Holland) and went on to play in 66 games, winning 32 of those and taking them to the playoffs for the first time in 8 years, taking a 5th place (out of 5) team in their division to a 2nd place finish that year. Also, when comparing him to Hasek (not saying he's Hasek) but in 2008, Hasek was struggling (ya he was older, but so was Ozzie) and Osgood came in a literally took that playoff by storm. He should've won the Conn Smythe, hands down. If they would've repeated in 09, he WOULD'VE won it, he was the best Goalie in that series too. Ozzie belongs there. Who cares about individual awards, sure, they're nice to look at on the mantle, but it's more about winning Cups and being the guy who helps your team more than helping yourself. BTW, #30 should be in the rafters too.

1. To be fair, I did notice that Ozzie's win percentage was higher, but don't you think the team in front of him had a little bit to do with that? Win percentage is as much a team stat as it is a goalie stat.

2. Belfour did play in more games than Ozzie, but that's kind of my point. They played the same number of seasons, but Belfour played in 200+ more games. Why? Cuz Eddie was winning a Calder and Vezinas while Ozzie was riding the bench. Belfour was a phenom out of the gate. While Chicago was trading away Hasek because of Belfour (bad move BTW), Detroit was trading for Vernon because of Osgood.

3. Roy and Brodeur were generational talents. Ozzie doesn't belong in the same conversation. And both won Cups with less talented teams than what Ozzie had in front of him.

4. Ozzie was Smythe worthy in 08 for sure. But let's not pretend like he didn't have some playoff stinkers too.

I just think that Belfour's career and personal achievements put him a step above Ozzie. All things considered, I don't think I'm wrong. Not saying your opinion about Osgood isn't valid, I just don't agree.

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2 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Yeah I figure he's traded sometime this month. Probably for like a 4th or something. Maybe Holland will send us one for a chance to negotiate with him.

Cool. We can grab another Rasmussen calibre forward with that pick. 

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4 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Yeah I figure he's traded sometime this month. Probably for like a 4th or something. Maybe Holland will send us one for a chance to negotiate with him.

Oh cause I'm not a big ol scared wuss like the rest of you I'm a pain in the ass now?

Would be a very holland move. At least he's good enough to where we should get something for his rights... hopefully that's the case anyway.

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Since Marc-Andre Fleury went #1 overall in 2003 to Pittsburgh, there has been a goalie drafted in the 1st round of just eight of the 15 drafts. A total of 18 goalies have gone in the 1st round since 2004, and their success has been extremely limited.

Just five of the 18 have made more than 10 starts with the team they were drafted by. That’s 13 1st round goalies who had absolutely no impact on the team that spent a 1st round pick on them. Even the five that did work, only two ended up having a significant impact on the team that selected them (Price, Vasilevskiy). 14 years of NHL Drafts and TWO turned out to be stars for the correct team.

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15 minutes ago, amato said:

Would be a very holland move. At least he's good enough to where we should get something for his rights... hopefully that's the case anyway.

I doubt it. If everyone knows he's holding out for Boston, no one has a reason to waste a pick to basically just talk to him. After Buffalo wasted a pick on Vesey, I don't see anyone else doing it.

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1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

Right, I got that. What I don't get is why this criteria matters to you in this case but you don't seem to favor using similar criteria when comparing others. You're also picking and choosing which metrics to emphasize without really explaining why.

Why is Brendan Shanahan worthy of the Hall but not Dave Andreychuk when their career accomplishments are nearly identical? Why do Belfour's Jenning's Trophies matter more than Osgood's Stanley Cup advantage?

And I'm genuinely not trying to single you out here. I'm just using this as an example because it happens with HoF debates every year. There's no objective why to evaluate these guys because the more criteria you use (stats, personal accomplishments, team success, longevity, etc. etc. etc.) the more trouble you'll have weighting each category properly.

I say let anyone who's had a great, long, career into the HoF as an attaboy to them and then set the Hall up in such a way that the very best of the best are emphasized in line with their greatness. Nobody is going to confuse Gordie Howe with Dino Ciccarelli just because they're both in the HoF.

The HoF is like any other museum. It's not like the Louvre doesn't accept paintings if they're not as good as a Monet. They just emphasize the Monet paintings, or the Mona Lisa, or whatever more than they do the others.

Selection is based on both quantifiable data and personal opinion. There is a human element to it, so there will always be discrepancies. No 2 people will ever agree completely. And I think that's ok. There are too many intangibles that should be considered, that just punching numbers into a computer, cannot factor. Hence, the HoF Selection Committee.

Some players deserve to get in based on stats alone. Others need to "pad their resumes". What constitutes a relevant, contributory factor is completely subjective. So I can't always give a specific answer for "why this guy?" or "why not that guy?" Presumably, the players with better stats would also have awards to go with them, but that is not always the case, like with Shanahan. I think an argument could me made either way if he should be in. The numbers are good, but not otherworldly, and there are no personal awards to go with it. While I would put him in if I was on the Committee, that may have more to do with personal bias than fairness. But that's why there's 17 other people who vote too. Hopefully, as a group, they get it right.

In regards to Osgood and Belfour specifically, the numbers are similar. Osgood has more Stanley Cups, but those are team trophies. Jennings are tandem trophies, Vezinas and the Calder are individual awards. Therefore, in my opinion, there are much bigger achievements in Belfour's favor than Osgood's, making Belfour a more deserving Inductee.

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1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

3. Roy and Brodeur were generational talents. Ozzie doesn't belong in the same conversation. And both won Cups with less talented teams than what Ozzie had in front of him.

 

Just a quick note on this (and I apologize for taking this thread off subject temporarily) but The Cups that Roy won with Colorado in know way were less talented than the Cups Ozzie won with Detroit. Evenly matched for the most part, but each in their right had superstar players that you can compare 1 to 1. With the exception of Lidstrom that is. But, I get it, and I doubt he ever gets in, but if we're talking numbers and Cups, he deserves it. BTW, I do believe Roy has had a couple of playoff stinkers too!  Brings back great memories!

 

anyhow, WTF is up with Petroluuuzzzi? Does he think he is better than the team? Bigger than the game? He could come here and get quality time developing into a starter. Instead he's gonna go sign somewhere and ride the pine or be in the AHL. Unless Yzerman told him, we're not the team for you kid. WTF would he unfollow them on social media? That's a high school move.

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re: Petrotuzzi, ya just trade him to Boston for a pick, if that is where he intends on signing.

re: Draft - I know all the hype with Wallstedt, but I feel it would be better to bolster the D and get a G with the 22nd. Hughes/Cossa. Cossa might end up being just as good as Wallstedt, but there's a chance a D at 22 won't be anywhere as good as Hughes.  What Wallstedt and Hughes are BOTH gone by #6?

re: Hof - What the hell isn't Pat Benatar in the Hall of Fame yet?!?! Come on Man!

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40 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Just a quick note on this (and I apologize for taking this thread off subject temporarily) but The Cups that Roy won with Colorado in know way were less talented than the Cups Ozzie won with Detroit. Evenly matched for the most part, but each in their right had superstar players that you can compare 1 to 1. With the exception of Lidstrom that is. 

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18 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Say it with me folks... JASPER WALNUTS SIXTH OVERALL

Which NASCAR team does he drive for?

Sounds like the antagonist in a "Talladega Nights" sequel.

Edited July 1, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

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19 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

We have nowhere near possibly the best defensemen to have ever played the game in our lineup.(as much as i love seider) no datsyuk and zetterberg in sight ... add to that a ton of important complimentary guys in kronwall,rafalski,mule etc...

Doesnt mean i dont think we cant win a cup again but like you said were in the middle of a rebuild and we have alot of work to do

Yes, a lot of work to do. For me, that starts with finding our next franchise player (skater), not goaltender. Again, unless Yzerman thinks Wallstedt is head and shoulders above everyone else.

No team has the best defenseman to have ever played the game, but if everything goes well with Seider, he should be a top 5 defenseman in the league.

23 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Ya im not getting into Howard again ... we found one howard in 25 years but sure were bound to get one again in 5-10 yrs instead of taking one whos slated to be way way better than a howard prospect could ever be

Osgood drafted in the 3rd round in '91. Howard drafted in the 2nd round in 2003. Mrazek drafted in the 5th round in 2010. Sounds like we're soon due for another mid round pick to hit...

27 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

People who do this s*** for a living says there wont be top end talent this draft but you know better . Lets hope beniers falls to 6 and have 2C’s and cross our fingers for cups

LOL please show me a single reputable draft "expert" that says that there won't be a single top end player in the draft (or available beyond the top 5)... Literally no one is saying that...

30 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

i also said way numerous times id rather take the guys who projected to be a #1 g than a 2nd line forward or 3/4 dman but ok. You dont want wallstedt and thats fine , wont change whats likely coming

Yes, I'm sure you know what Yzerman is going to do...

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32 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Yes im well aware its skater ... for me it doesnt matter the position and in this years draft it happens to be a goaltender 

We all hope seider is a dominating future norris winner but we’ll have to wait and see for that

Ok, so we have to wait and see if 20 year old Seider (the top prospect not yet in the NHL) is a future Norris caliber defenseman, but we already know that 18 year old Wallstedt is a future Vezina caliber goalie... Okay...

35 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

3 meh goaltenders in 30 yrs and we’re due for another . How exciting 

Yes, because you don't need elite goaltending to win Cups. You do however, need elite skaters.

38 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Dude ive read/seen multiple people for instance say beniers is a future 2C and hes projected to go 1-2 ...if you think thats a top end talent then i dont know what to tell you . If im picking top 10 i want a guy who i think can be a 1st line guy , 1st d pair or #1 goalie i can target these skaters your so fond of with our later picks

Ok, so now go back and read these multiple people saying that Beniers is a future 2C, and pull the quote where they say that there won't be a single top line forward, or top pair defenseman available beyond the top 5... There's no way you believe there's not a single top line / pair talent in this draft...

42 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Well i called bs on keith petruzzelli tales but hey we gotta trust stevie! He wouldnt lie to us! Lmao ...according to your logic we’ll never see another goalie get drafted in the top 10 ever again

You haven't "called" s***. There's been speculation that Petruzzelli might not sign, and become a free agent for months. You're not the only one that seen that as a possibility.

Same goes for you "calling" Raymond last year, so everyone should listen to you this year. You weren't the only one that "called" Raymond. I also wanted / thought Yzerman might take Raymond last year...

According to what logic exactly? I've never said anything to suggest that I don't think a goalie will ever get drafted in the top 10... In fact, I said I wouldn't be too upset if Yzerman took Wallstedt at 6th overall...

31 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

>Howard goes into diabetic shock
>Forced to run two mid-30s career back up goalies
>Filip Larsson literally forgets how to tend net
>But that's okay cause we still got Petruzzelli
>Petruzzelli abandons ship at earliest oppurtunity

But yeah, goal-tending isn't a need for the Red Wings.

Literally no one is saying that goaltending isn't a need for the Red Wings. Everyone sees it as a glaring need, just that most don't want to use a 6th overall pick to fill the need...

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8 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Just 5-10 more years of playing the lotto on Jan Bednar's. Then waiting 4-5 seasons for that late round goalie to develop. If we're lucky we'll have our own homegrown Jimmy Howard in 10 seasons!

Hell if that's the logic, just stop drafting goalies altogether and sign an endless cycle of Bernier's till the end of time.

But then again Yzerman is not afraid to take goalies in the first round. Which is crazy when you consider he could've gotten a Riley Sheahan, or an Evgeny Svechnikov, or even a Brednan Smith with that Vasi pick. What a mad lad.

AGAIN, I'm not completely opposed to taking Wallstedt with our first pick. Just wouldn't be my first choice. I have a feeling it won't be Yzerman's first choice at that spot either. We'll see.

We definitely need to find our goaltender of the future. There's no debating that. What there is debating, is how that goaltender should be acquired. Yzerman could draft a goalie this year using a 1st round pick, but it doesn't have to be 6th overall. He could also trade for one, maybe even acquire one taking on a bad contract. Or yes, he could acquire one via free agency.

None of Sheahan, Svechnikov or Smith were drafted 6th overall. Not even close.

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27 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Neither was Vasi. Put ya readers on.

So I guess you expect to get your boi Wallstedt at 23rd overall?

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32 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

what elite skaters you think were going to get at 6? Maybe you should look back at the cup winning teams last 15-20 yrs and count how many teams drafted their goalies . And then check our goalie history record with drafting and check what we have in nets in detroit and in our pipeline . But ya lets keep playing russian roulette and hope we hit an average goalie when seider is 27 and we waste him. You seem to live in this imaginary world where its easy to find goaltenders where our history would say otherwise

I don't know what elite skater we're getting at 6. That's Yzerman's job.

Maybe you should look back at the Cup winning teams the past 15-20 and check to see how many didn't have elite skaters on their team... How about how many teams won it all because of elite goaltending...

36 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

You think cause we won a multitude of cups with hall of fame guys that we can win one now and not have a care in the world with whos in net

Absolutely I do. There's not a single team today that is winning Cups with a dozen Hall of Famer's, and very few are winning on the backs of elite goaltending. 

41 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Dude ive said kultiple times already when we look back at this draft we’ll see top line guys picked later in the 2nd round beyond . Your just mad cause i dont think one exists in the top 10 that will be available at 6 . Hughes is the only one i think in the top 10-15 range where i think can for sure be a #1 pair guy but he’ll be gone imo . If yzerman thinks simon robertsson is a #1 line guy take him at 6? I dont think so . For me wallstedt is the best bet for us at 6 and he fills a major need for us . You dont want him thats fine. I choose to live in a world where i realize finding a star #1 goalie cant be found through free agency . You dont ,cool .

So we'll see top line guys taken in the 2nd round and beyond, but there won't be any available at 6th overall?... LOL

If Yzerman thinks Robertsson is a top line guy, and none of the "consensus" top 10 guys are top line guys, you bet your ass he will take the player he deems best player available. I think he proved that with the Seider pick...

1 hour ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Yeah i havent called s*** , the f*** out of here man i havent even seen you here for months but i havent called s*** . Suddenly everyone was aware he wasn’t coming. Whatever gets you through the day

I’m not saying everyone should listen to everything i have to say . But im not always wrong as some of you are lead to believe . Hey this one guy doesnt agree with the consensus opinion around here ! Hes a moron! Again whatever floats your boat man ... lets keep doing the same s*** we been doing with goaltending and expecting different outcomes

Nope, you haven't called s***, but keep stroking your ego...

1 hour ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Ok so you think a goalie might get picked in the top 10 again but if its up to you that would never happen in detroit for as long as you live . Got it

Most ppl want to believe we can get a top notch goalie in the later rounds and through free agency but our history would suggest otherwise. But hey maybe in 2034 we’ll finally find our hasek at pick 197 instead of a guy now so we can get guenther to be a nice 2nd line forward

Yeah, I'd prefer to not use a top 10 pick on a goaltender, but I'll say it again, and I'll even slow it down for you...

I   w o u l d   b e   o k a y   w i t h   W a l l s t e d t   a t   6 t h   o v e r a l l . . . (just wouldn't be my first choice).

You're literally getting worked up because I would prefer to draft skaters at the top of the draft, rather than a goalie. Keep in mind, I'm not one of the people that are vehemently against it...

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Stanley Cup goalies and where they were drafted:

2021: Vasilevskiy (19), Price (5)

2020: Vasilevsliy (19), Bishop (85)

2019: Allen (34), Rask (21)

2018: Holtby (93), Fleury (1)

2017: Murray (83), Rinne (258)

2016: Murray (83), Jones (undrafted)

2015: Crawford(52), Bishop (85)

2014: Quick (72), Lundquist (205)

2013: Crawford (52), Rask (21)

2012: Quick (72), Brodeur (20)

 

1st round picks among finalists: 7/20 or 35%

Top 10 picks: 2/20 or 10%

1st round picks among Cup winners: 2/20 or 10%

Top 10 picks among Cup winners: 0, unless the Canadiens win this year

Average draft position: 67 (3rd Round)

But yeah. We gotta take a goalie at 6 to get to the promised land.

Edited July 1, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

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21 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Well you seem so convinced anyone would be better than wallstedt . Its a good thing its yzerman’s job 

Talking to a literal f***ing wall...

Saying it slowly didn't help... Maybe if a scream it...

I WOULD BE OKAY WITH WALLSTEDT AT 6TH OVERALL!!! (just wouldn't be my first choice)...

23 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

When did i ever say we didnt need elite players?i know just by looking though 75-80% of cup winning teams last 20 years drafted their goalies and id rather fall on that side of the fence . And considering how well we’ve done the last 30 yrs im not banking on anyone currently in our system or our future goalie picks in later rounds to come thru

So it's Wallstedt at 6 or bust for you?

24 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Well 2 teams in the finals have 2 of the best goaltenders in the game . You can say tampa is a great team regardless but facts are facts and theyre about to win back to back cups with one of the best goalies in the game . And again thats what i want for detroit 

Bernier would also have back-to-back Cups on that team...

26 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

 ok your right first line forwards will be available at 6 ... lets go that route .... cross our fingers we dont land another rasmussen ... and hope we can draft a competent goalie in the next two decades.

I know how much you love(d) the Raymond pick. Me too. You think he has the potential to be elite, one of the best players from a fairly strong draft class. But you don't think Eklund has that same sort of potential in this draft class?

Eklund nearly doubled Raymond in points in their respective draft seasons. Hell, he even had a better draft season, than Raymond had draft+1 season. But yeah, there's no elite talent in this draft at all. If we don't take Wallstedt, we're obviously going to end up with "another Rasmussen"...

38 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Seider was moving up late, i dont think he’d take robertsson at 6 when he can be had later 

Seider was "moving up late", because people caught wind that teams at the top (Detroit) were interested in him. Not because random draft "analysts" all of a sudden seen something in him...

If Yzerman thought Robertsson was the best player at 6, there's not a doubt in my mind he would take him there. Same goes for McTavish, Guenther, Clarke, Wallstedt, etc.

42 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Lmao yes  i havent called s*** says the guy who hasnt posted here in 5 months man stfu if you have no clue to wtf’s going on here

What does me being here have to do with anything? You're claiming you were the only one that called Raymond to Detroit. I was here for that, and you weren't. You're also claiming that you were the only one that called Petruzzelli walking. I wasn't here for that, but I was still alive, reading other social media outlets, where others suggested the possibility as well...

Predicting those two things doesn't make you special. Nor does it mean that you'll be right about Yzerman taking Wallstedt...

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57 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Talking to a literal f***ing wall...

Saying it slowly didn't help... Maybe if a scream it...

I WOULD BE OKAY WITH WALLSTEDT AT 6TH OVERALL!!! (just wouldn't be my first choice)...

So it's Wallstedt at 6 or bust for you?

Bernier would also have back-to-back Cups on that team...

I know how much you love(d) the Raymond pick. Me too. You think he has the potential to be elite, one of the best players from a fairly strong draft class. But you don't think Eklund has that same sort of potential in this draft class?

Eklund nearly doubled Raymond in points in their respective draft seasons. Hell, he even had a better draft season, than Raymond had draft+1 season. But yeah, there's no elite talent in this draft at all. If we don't take Wallstedt, we're obviously going to end up with "another Rasmussen"...

Seider was "moving up late", because people caught wind that teams at the top (Detroit) were interested in him. Not because random draft "analysts" all of a sudden seen something in him...

If Yzerman thought Robertsson was the best player at 6, there's not a doubt in my mind he would take him there. Same goes for McTavish, Guenther, Clarke, Wallstedt, etc.

What does me being here have to do with anything? You're claiming you were the only one that called Raymond to Detroit. I was here for that, and you weren't. You're also claiming that you were the only one that called Petruzzelli walking. I wasn't here for that, but I was still alive, reading other social media outlets, where others suggested the possibility as well...

Predicting those two things doesn't make you special. Nor does it mean that you'll be right about Yzerman taking Wallstedt...

Remember when he predicted that Nyquist was "the future".

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14 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

16/21 last cup winning teams had drafted their own goalies ... redwings have been a disaster at drafting goalies in the last 30 yrs regardless the position they were taken but lets pretend we can easily find our own hey ? And 6/21 won the cup by ufa or trade route  so we can do it easy peasy np

but ya lets keep living in a dream world where we can get a goalie in the next decade cause its just bound to happen once and take us to the promise land 

In the last 10 years, there were 2 goalies drafted top 10 who made the finals, only 1 more than were signed as an undrafted free agent.