F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 6, 2021 29 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Available soon for free in most 3rd world countries along with Montreal Canadiens 2021 Stanley Cup Champion T-shirts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Hookersarethefuture said: Askarov at 4 ? Really? Cause all i remember is constantly pushing raymond and getting pissed at the constant perfetti to detroit at 4 stuff id see everywhere by hockey ppl and wings fans ... dont recall any askarov at 4 stuff I was certain Perfetti was going to be a Wing - connections with Draper, and with his JR team being owned by Osgood/Devellano ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Hookersarethefuture said: I was opposite and thought hakan would see raymond’s greatness and be all over yzerman but alot of analysts and mock drafts constantly kept pushing perfetti Swede Mafia is a real thing ... 1 Hookersarethefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 6, 2021 3 hours ago, F.Michael said: I'm just looking to nag Neo about it ... I am actually more bothered by a goalie wearing #21, than the name on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted July 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: I am actually more bothered by a goalie wearing #21, than the name on it. #21 for the 2021 draft 1 hour ago, BarkBurgerman said: Remember how pissed Draper looked when he had to go up and declare Raymond instead of Perfetti? Swede Mafia doesn't rebuild, they reload. Would've been hilarious had Draper gone full-blown Ric Flair mode... "Screw it - we're taking mah boy Cole Perfetti"! "WOOOO!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, LeftWinger said: He might pick Wall at 6 AND Cossa at 22! 16 minutes ago, F.Michael said: #21 for the 2021 draft Would've been hilarious had Draper gone full-blown Ric Flair mode... "Screw it - we're taking mah boy Cole Perfetti"! "WOOOO!" He looks like a fish with Tourette Syndrome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: I worry he's going to be a poor man's Matthew Tkachuk. I have the same boom/bust concern with pretty much every one of the realistic candidates. Hell, I'm not even fully sold on Power or Beniers. Not that either one of those two will be there at 6OA, mind you. Of the guys who realistically *could* be there at 6OA, I'm thinking Hughes or Eklund would probably be the overall "best-value" pick. Luke Hughes maybe isn't quite as electrifying as Quinn Hughes, but he's a comparable skater and a comparable playmaker and a better shooter – and he's taller. Any concerns about his defensive game are rendered moot if Seider is the player we think he is. People are big-time sleeping on how dominant a Hughes-Seider could very easily be. Eklund is basically Raymond. Plays an incredibly mature all-around game. Off-the-charts IQ. Great hands. Great problem-solver and playmaker. As with Hughes and Seider, it's a potential pairing that really gets me excited about Eklund – that pairing being Eklund-Raymond. If we're hoping for a new Datsyuk-Zetterberg...Eklund-Raymond could be it. For whatever reason, a voice in me is still saying we're gonna take McTavish or Lucius. I dunno. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Akakabuto reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Hookersarethefuture said: Of course you would think that and its fine i disagree though . Can i see larkin getting back to 65-70 pts with a better roster? Sure , still dont think makes him a legit #1C imo and simply put hes just the best option we got IF Larkin gets back to 65-70 points per season, and continues solid play in the defensive end, he IS a legit 1C. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. You're comparing him to the elite top of the league 1C's, and he clearly isn't that. He has already proven though that he can be a top 20-30 center in the league. 4 hours ago, Hookersarethefuture said: and this should be fun... heck i dont even think hes gonna retire here and its only a matter of time before seider takes his captaincy spot Cool, another future prediction... 3 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: I worry he's going to be a poor man's Matthew Tkachuk. How is that a worry? Tkachuk is a very valuable player, legit top line guy, that any team would love to have. Basically a better version of Bertuzzi... If McTavish is a Tkachuk level player, sign me up, especially if he sticks to center (which I think he will)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Dabura said: I have the same boom/bust concern with pretty much every one of the realistic candidates. Hell, I'm not even fully sold on Power or Beniers. Not that either one of those two will be there at 6OA, mind you. A lot of uncertainty for sure. I still think there will end up being a lot of really good players come out of this draft. 1 hour ago, Dabura said: Of the guys who realistically *could* be there at 6OA, I'm thinking Hughes or Eklund would probably be the overall "best-value" pick. I agree. I'd be thrilled with either of these guys. 1 hour ago, Dabura said: Eklund is basically Raymond. Plays an incredibly mature all-around game. Off-the-charts IQ. Great hands. Great problem-solver and playmaker. As with Hughes and Seider, it's a potential pairing that really gets me excited about Eklund – that pairing being Eklund-Raymond. If we're hoping for a new Datsyuk-Zetterberg...Eklund-Raymond could be it. 100% this. An Eklund - Raymond combo would be lethal, really fun to watch in a few years... #swedishtwins 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: IF Larkin gets back to 65-70 points per season, and continues solid play in the defensive end, he IS a legit 1C. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. You're comparing him to the elite top of the league 1C's, and he clearly isn't that. He has already proven though that he can be a top 20-30 center in the league. Cool, another future prediction... How is that a worry? Tkachuk is a very valuable player, legit top line guy, that any team would love to have. Basically a better version of Bertuzzi... If McTavish is a Tkachuk level player, sign me up, especially if he sticks to center (which I think he will)... Because a poor man's Matthew Tkachuk is a more abrasive Bertuzzi with a bigger yap. I want more than that at 6th overall. Edited July 6, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Because a poor man's Matthew Tkachuk is a more abrasive Bertuzzi with a bigger yap. I want more than that at 6th overall. Sure you "want" more than that at 6th overall, but you'd be lucky to get that most year's at 6th overall, let alone a strange Covid year draft... We all want Yzerman to draft the best player available. A player we look back in three years and say he was the best player from this draft class. But I'd be more than happy if he can land a top line center, or a top pair defenseman, or even a number one goaltender... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 1 hour ago, BarkBurgerman said: >Crappy Tkachuk: Yes >Best Swedish goaltender ever: No Neither would be my first choice, but I would be fine with either. You know this, but keep banging that tired drum... 1 hour ago, Hookersarethefuture said: I was spoiled and grew up with hall of famers , larkin’s a nice #2C but when he retires he’ll be forgotten when he retires if he stays our #1 c longterm Everyone here grew up watching those same Hall of Famers. Literally no one thinks Larkin is Yzerman or Fedorov. 25+ teams in the league don't have a player as good as either of those guys. If that's your standard, your Larkin is a 2C nonsense makes a little more sense, but also, you'll forever be disappointed, no matter who our 1C is. Which, like it or not, is going to be Larkin for the next 6+ seasons... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said: >Crappy Tkachuk: Yes >Best Swedish goaltender ever: No When did he ever say he didn't want Lundqvist? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 16 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said: Cirelli, Point, Gourde, Sergachev, Mcdonough aren't core pieces on that team? If all we need is a 1C and a 1D, well we already got them. Seider and Raymond. Next You sure love grasping at things I did not even say. 1. At the time, he had high end players in the two most important positions. At no point did I say the rest of the players you mentioned were not core pieces. We have our 1D. We do not have our center. 2. Vasey was easily BPA at 19 in that draft class. Can't say the same if he had the #6 pick like he does now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 8 hours ago, Hookersarethefuture said: If your standard for a #1c around the league is a guy who posts 60+ 2/6 seasons and you think hes going to be here for 6+ more seasons than were in for a lot of f***en pain I thank god yzerman’s the one running s*** and im sure he wont be our #1c for 6+ seasons That's not my standard. There is no "standard", which is the point... Chicago has won multiple Cups with Toews as their number one center. Boston has won a Cup with Bergeron as their number one center. Los Angeles has won multiple Cups with Kopitar as their number one center. St. Louis has won a Cup with O'Reilly as their number one center. All of these centers were 65-75ish point two-way centers in their Cup season (and most of their careers). So again, IF Larkin can get to that level (which you've already agreed with), he would be considered a 1C, and more than capable of winning a Stanley Cup, with the help around him (which he should have in a few years)... I don't think Larkin will ever be a Kopitar level center, popping off for 90+ points, while winning a Selke, but he absolutely could be an O'Reilly level center, 65+ points every season, in the Selke conversation. Larkin WILL be here for 6+ more seasons, and likely retire a Red Wing. Yzerman didn't make him the Red Wings captain, only to trade him away. If anyone recognizes the significance of being a captain of the Detroit Red Wings, it's Steve "The Captain" Yzerman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 8 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said: >Argue for days about how you shouldn't take the goalie >Then have the gall to utter it would be okay if we took the goalie 1. You either need to need to get you story straight and make up your mind Or 2. You need to concede taking the goalie tik tok tik tok I never once argued that we shouldn't take Wallstedt. Right from the beginning I was saying I'd be okay with taking Wallstedt at 6. I was arguing all of the other dumb s*** isthefuture was saying. Like Wallstedt being the only top end talent available at 6, but other top end talent being available later in the draft... Or, and this was and continues to be the biggest argument, the importance of the position, and philosophy on how to build a team. My "story" is straight. You need to get your facts straight... 40 minutes ago, marcaractac said: Vasey was easily BPA at 19 in that draft class. Can't say the same if he had the #6 pick like he does now. He had the 10th overall pick that year and took Koekkoek. He clearly didn't think Vasilevskiy was the best player available at 10, let alone at 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: He had the 10th overall pick that year and took Koekkoek. He clearly didn't think Vasilevskiy was the best player available at 10, let alone at 6. Well there it is. Vasey was the pick acquired from trading Quincey, after all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: Let's be clear about what you said: "When EVERYTHING was already in place" "Not when he had glaring holes down the middle and on left D" 1. Everything wasn't in place. The Bolts did not even make the playoffs that season. Most of his core pieces weren't even drafted yet. 2. Down the middle he had Ryan Shannon and Nate Thompson (who and who?) behind Lecav and Stamkos. Behind Hedman on the leftside he had a crap roster of Brewer, Bergeron, and Clark. Not to mention the glaring holes at RHD, Goalie, and his forward lineup outside of his top 6. If you would like to now change what you said after the fact to "He had Stamkos (1C) and Hedman (1D)", okay, I'll roll with it. We have our 1C in Raymond and our 1D in Seider. Done. Next. Doesn't change the fact that Raymond is NOT a center. Doesn't change the fact that Yzerman would NOT have drafted Vasey had he had the #6 pick that season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: If you would like to now change what you said after the fact to "He had Stamkos (1C) and Hedman (1D)", okay, I'll roll with it. We have our 1C in Raymond and our 1D in Seider. I'm as high on both of those guys as anyone, but let's be real, neither have played a single game in the NHL. Until that happens, I don't think you can say definitively that we have our 1D in Seider (I think we do), let alone our 1C in Raymond, who hasn't played center at any level for at least three seasons... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: >I would be okay with Walstedt >Proceeds to list 1000 reasons why you wouldn't take Walstedt Okay, yeah, message clear Not even close to being accurate. There were a lot of reasons floating around as to why we shouldn't take Wallstedt at 6. From other people. not me. Like I said, I was arguing all of the other dumb s*** nitf was saying... It wasn't about NOT taking Wallstedt at 6, it was about there being other viable options at 6. 6 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: Reading was never the strong suit was it. But clearly you have your facts straight.... I was responding to marc, not you dumbass... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: >I would be okay with Walstedt >Proceeds to list 1000 reasons why you wouldn't take Walstedt Okay, yeah, message clear Reading was never the strong suit was it. But clearly you have your facts straight.... KRS: Im grilling outside. I would rather have steak, but I would be ok with hamburgers. CRL: Why do you hate burgers? Message: cows are delicious Edited July 7, 2021 by Neomaxizoomdweebie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 On 6/4/2021 at 9:08 AM, Gniwder said: 1. Edvinsson 2. Johnson 3. Eklund Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: Raymond isn't a center? Really? Cause guess where I learned about his past as a majority center: You. Funny how you learned this detail from me when I am just finding out about it now myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: KRS: Im grilling outside. I would rather have steak, but I would be ok with hamburgers. CRL: Why do you hate burgers? Message: cows are delicious This is what this guy always does. He's notorious for it. 3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: On 6/4/2021 at 9:38 AM, Gniwder said: 1. Edvinsson 2. Johnson 3. Eklund He's also notorious for this... I guarantee he doesn't care who we take at 6. He's likely not even that high on Wallstedt. He just knows so many people don't want the goalie, so he wants the goalie... 8 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: You can't say Yzerman wouldn't have taken Vasi at #6, and you've already admitted that. For all we know Vasi was Yzerman's guy and he would've taken him anywhere, and only took him behind Koekkoek because he knew he could. Yzerman's proved he's willing to do that with Seider. You CAN say that Yzerman wouldn't have taken Vasilevskiy at 6, when he didn't even take him at 10. IF Vasi was his guy, he would have undoubtedly taken him at 10, instead of Koekkoek. He proved THAT with the Seider pick... You take your guy when you can, because he might not be available later... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said: >We don't have our 1D in Seider >But also I think we have our 1D in Seider Exactly. I "think" we have our 1D in Seider, but it's not really fair to anoint him as such when he hasn't played a single game in the NHL. 2 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: >Raymond was the best pick in that draft >I don't think you can write home about Raymond yet I never once said Raymond was the best pick in that draft. Could he be? Sure. Would I bet on it? Not at this point. I also never said "you can't write home about Raymond"... I said you can't pencil him in as a center, when he hasn't played the position in over three years... 4 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: Why don't you actually develop and hold a solid opinion before we talk Oh, I have opinions... 6 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said: You're a habitual fence sitter and disingenuous at best. If you like the goalie for our 6th why are you constantly arguing about it? Just say you prefer not taking a goalie at 6th cause you studied philosophy or whatever and quit waffling. Because I'd "like" the goalie at 6, but I'd "like" other players more... I'm not like you, and have to take a stance on one player, and stick with it. I've been saying for weeks, there are half a dozen guys I'd be very happy with at 6th overall. Some more than others... I'm not sure if I mentioned this, but I wasn't arguing against the goalie at 6. I was arguing all of the other dumb s***... And now I'm arguing why I was arguing... I remember why I took a break from this f***ing place... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
