2021 Draft

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Just now, Akakabuto said:

Final Draft Ranking By Bob McKenzie

this is the best list so far IMO or at least makes the most sense

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9 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Final Draft Ranking By Bob McKenzie

I take Luke Hughes if it shakes out like this draft day. 

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9 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

this is the best list so far IMO or at least makes the most sense

But where is Wallstedt 

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3 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

But where is Wallstedt 

Exactly where he should be. Sitting in the Knight - Askarov lounge. 

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5 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Exactly where he should be. Sitting in the Knight - Askarov lounge. 

"The best goalie since Carey Price"

We've heard that line 3 straight years now. Which one is it? Oh right, it's likely neither. We'll hear it again next year too. Just watch. 

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I was listening to a podcast with Max Bultman and Corey Pronman and they discussed how there's an industry consensus on the top ten picks, as well as the first overall pick. What happens between one and ten can shake out any number of different ways. But McKenzie's list is just a prospect ranking, not a mock draft. Totally different things. There's no way that Luke Hughes gets past NJ. They need high end d-men and it's not gonna hurt to have Luke Hughes under team control when Jack hits his UFA years. Makes leaving NJ a little bit harder for him I'd think.

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5 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I was listening to a podcast with Max Bultman and Corey Pronman and they discussed how there's an industry consensus on the top ten picks, as well as the first overall pick. What happens between one and ten can shake out any number of different ways. But McKenzie's list is just a prospect ranking, not a mock draft. Totally different things. There's no way that Luke Hughes gets past NJ. They need high end d-men and it's not gonna hurt to have Luke Hughes under team control when Jack hits his UFA years. Makes leaving NJ a little bit harder for him I'd think.

Agreed. I think MacKenzie's list is a reflection of this industry top 10 you're referring to. Basically, for no provable reason, I think his is the closest to being accurate. For example, Button had Svechkov at 6 in his final rankings. I highly doubt that's the industry consensus. 

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9 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Agreed. I think MacKenzie's list is a reflection of this industry top 10 you're referring to. Basically, for no provable reason, I think his is the closest to being accurate. For example, Button had Svechkov at 6 in his final rankings. I highly doubt that's the industry consensus. 

Yeah, but their lists have some key differences which explain the discrepancies. Listened to this on a podcast too lol. McKenzie's list is a poll of 10 different scouts, which is then aggregated. Craig Button's is a list based on his own evaluations.  So McKenzie gets pretty close on the draft order, but Craig Button does a much better job of finding individual outliers. For instance, Button was WAY higher on Eemil Viro last year than basically everyone else and his evaluation is (at least initially) justified. He specifically talked about Svechkov on the podcast and actually compared him to Datsyuk in the sense that he's not the fastest guy, but has high end skill that doesn't always lead to insane numbers because he's so defensively responsible and prefers to be more of a playmaker to talented wingers. I can't say that I agree or disagree, but it's entirely possible. Usage and coaching matter a ton and it's easy for talent evaluators to overlook HOW a player is being used and mistake a lack of offensive production for a lack of offensive skill. We saw exactly that happen with Seider.

Edited July 19, 2021 by kipwinger

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1 hour ago, Akakabuto said:

But where is Wallstedt 

#22! Lol!

God please let us draft Luke Hughes...

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2 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Mailloux has removed himself from the draft

So who takes him in the 6th round?

I would take a flyer on the kid.

Worst case he washes out to do porn movies.

Best case due to this situation he matures and becomes a productive member of my team. 

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McTavish rises, Sens go goalie in Button’s final mock draft

 

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3 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

McTavish rises, Sens go goalie in Button’s final mock draft

 

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25 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

McTavish rises, Sens go goalie in Button’s final mock draft

 

The more I watch Edvinsson, the less impressed I am.  I don't get it if he goes in the top 10 because all of the experts basically say "don't look at what he is now, look at what he could be one day if everything goes right".  I would rather take someone who has more to offer right now. That to me is not worth the gamble and I sure hope we don't take him.

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2 minutes ago, Noodles22 said:

The more I watch Edvinsson, the less impressed I am.  I don't get it if he goes in the top 10 because all of the experts basically say "don't look at what he is now, look at what he could be one day if everything goes right".  I would rather take someone who has more to offer right now. That to me is not worth the gamble and I sure hope we don't take him.

Wut? This basically describes most prospects. 

I personally hope Yzerman swings on potential  high ceiling vs high floor right now. 

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2 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Wut? This basically describes most prospects. 

I personally hope Yzerman swings on potential  high ceiling vs high floor right now. 

Yup

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Just now, The 91 of Ryans said:

Wut? This basically describes most prospects. 

I personally hope Yzerman swings on potential  high ceiling vs high floor right now. 

You know who had a high ceiling?  Brendan Smith, Ryan Sproul etc.  My point is I watch and watch and I just see a big clumsy kid who they say may improve some day.  I look at these prospects and I don't think he belongs that high.  

 

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1 minute ago, Noodles22 said:

You know who had a high ceiling?  Brendan Smith, Ryan Sproul etc.  My point is I watch and watch and I just see a big clumsy kid who they say may improve some day.  I look at these prospects and I don't think he belongs that high.  

 

I assume this is someone just trolling with a new account, but if not...

Brendan Smith and Ryan Sproul were drafted at the end of the 1st round and the 2nd round respectively and yet both of them were extremely physically developed for draft eligible players. What kept them from going higher was the fact that neither of them were thought to have much upside relative to their peers.

Which brings me to your comment on Edvinsson being clumsy. You're clearly not paying attention if you're really "watching and watching" because he's very fast, strong, and athletic for his age. I've even heard him called them most athletically gifted player in the draft. The real knock on him (like Wallinder last year) is that his track record of production isn't good. So you're betting on the athletic tools despite the lack of points. Know who else had great athleticism and poor production in his draft year? Moritz Seider. So maybe there's something to this after all.

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1 minute ago, kipwinger said:

I assume this is someone just trolling with a new account, but if not...

Brendan Smith and Ryan Sproul were drafted at the end of the 1st round and the 2nd round respectively and yet both of them were extremely physically developed for draft eligible players. What kept them from going higher was the fact that neither of them were thought to have much upside relative to their peers.

Which brings me to your comment on Edvinsson being clumsy. You're clearly not paying attention if you're really "watching and watching" because he's very fast, strong, and athletic for his age. I've even heard him called them most athletically gifted player in the draft. The real knock on him (like Wallinder last year) is that his track record of production isn't good. So you're betting on the athletic tools despite the lack of points. Know who else had great athleticism and poor production in his draft year? Moritz Seider. So maybe there's something to this after all.

Sorry, I didn't mean to strike a nerve.  Didn't realize you were such an Edvinsson fan.  So I take it then that you would be happy if the Wings take him?

 

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My mind's made up that Eklund is THE guy I want.   If he goes top 5, Yzerman can take whoever he wants and I'll trust the pick, despite Yzerman not really having great track record of first round picks in Tampa.

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1 minute ago, TLGTrico said:

My mind's made up that Eklund is THE guy I want.   If he goes top 5, Yzerman can take whoever he wants and I'll trust the pick, despite Yzerman not really having great track record of first round picks in Tampa.

I'm on board as long as he can play center. We don't really need another smallish skilled winger. Same goes for Johnson, Lucius, and McTavish as far as I'm concerned. Pick whomever can play center, and if they all can, then pick the most skilled passer.

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6 hours ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Mailloux has removed himself from the draft

So who takes him in the 6th round?

Ridiculous. The kid was 17 years old. 17. Are we canceling kids now? 

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I applaud his decision. Nice to see a Zennial taking personal responsibility for their actions for once. This young fella seems to understand that there are consequences for unethical behavior and he's owning up to it. There used to be a political party in the U.S. that talked about personal responsibility all the time, can't remember which one though.

Edited July 20, 2021 by kipwinger

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1 hour ago, Akakabuto said:

McTavish rises, Sens go goalie in Button’s final mock draft

Here's to hoping this is the way it plays out on Friday... 

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12 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Ridiculous. The kid was 17 years old. 17. Are we canceling kids now? 

This isn't an example of cancelling. Cancelling is when people pressure a 3rd party to hold the offending party accountable for things that person did/said that were considered offensive/problematic/etc. For example, when people found out that Ellen Degeneres (the offending party) was a horrible boss to her employees they started a campaign to pressure a third party (NBC) to cancel her show.

Mailloux's case is not canceling because nobody pressured teams or the NHL to remove Mailloux from the draft, and they didn't remove him. He removed himself (likely in consultation with his agent). Some teams were vocal about their decision not to take him off their draft boards, which is their right and choice under the free market, but roughly 66% of the league made no such decisions according to reports.

 

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7 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Mailloux is a neocon confirmed

He's not actually removed from the draft. He's just doubling down on the apology. He's still eligible to be drafted. This is all just gesture and signaling. I think a smart team will still select him with a 3rd or 4th round pick.

 

I know. That's my point. Furthermore I find it odd that someone showing genuine remorse for questionable behavior is now questionable behavior to guys like Neo. Like, if you're a douchebag and then feel guilty about it later you're playing into George Soros' hands or something.

Edited July 20, 2021 by kipwinger