2021 Off-Season (Too Soon?)

[marcaractac 3,963]

14 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Yeah. Let's build a team entirely of soft skilled players. 

Someone hasn't been watching the playoffs for the last 30 years..........

 

Yeah! Let's keep using top 10 draft picks to draft based on size!! That'll show the league!

[krsmith17 7,191]

16 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Yeah. Let's build a team entirely of soft skilled players. 

Someone hasn't been watching the playoffs for the last 30 years..........

You don't need to waste a top 10 pick on size. That's where you draft "soft" skilled players. You can add size literally any offseason in free agency.

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Thanks for tagging in

We definitely need a skilled Necas type. But 6'6" 240 lb skill forwards are a rare find, and when Ras comes into his own he's going to be a unique weapon for us that most other teams do not have.

Remember Byflugien when he played forward for Chicago? I don't think Chicago wins that first cup finals series against Philly without Byflugien absolutely neutralizing the presence of Chris Pronger. Dustin harassed him along the boards and parked his fat ass in the crease, and Pronger - one of the biggest nastiest HOF Dmen of all time - was powerless to stop it.

There's a playoff run in our future where Ras is going to display exactly why you want a player of his stature in the lineup.

I agree that Rasmussen could be a solid piece in a Cup run, but don't kid yourself. Ras will never be a prime Byfuglien, in production or physicality. Also, again, you don't waste a top 10 pick on size. You know where Big Buff was drafted? 245th overall. Not 9th overall...

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

14 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Yeah! Let's keep using top 10 draft picks to draft based on size!! That'll show the league!

K. Let's undo the Seider draft? 

Also Zadina and Raymond are small.

Like it or not this team needs a guy like Rasmussen. More than they need a Veleno even!

13 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

You don't need to waste a top 10 pick on size. That's where you draft "soft" skilled players. You can add size literally any offseason in free agency.

If you want a special guy with size then yes. You need to draft high. 

Edited June 29, 2021 by The 91 of Ryans

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Ras was definitely picked for his size. I won't debate it, but I also don't have a problem with it. He's perhaps the only good selection from the Wright/Finley size fetishizing campaign. That said, we got our big power forward... thanks Wright and Finley. Let's move on to skilled player now.

Hard to add huge size and skill in the offseason or in the later rounds of the draft. Ras is rare package. Not Brian Boyle.

Elmer Soderblom, drafted 159th overall. That's where you get your big man. Not 9th overall.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Just now, krsmith17 said:

Elmer Soderblom, drafted 159th overall. That's where you get your big man. Not 9th overall.

Ah yes. The guy that may never play in the NHL. Good one. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

K. Let's undo the Seider draft? 

Why would we undo the Seider draft? Seider has proven (so far) to be a great pick. Rasmussen, not so much. I'm not against drafting size. I'm against drafting purely based on size.

2 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

If you want a special guy with size then yes. You need to draft high. 

There's literally nothing "special" about Rasmussen, except his size... Again, Elmer Soderblom...

[marcaractac 3,963]

9 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

K. Let's undo the Seider draft? 

Also Zadina and Raymond are small.

Like it or not this team needs a guy like Rasmussen. More than they need a Veleno even!

If you want a special guy with size then yes. You need to draft high. 

Is everything black and white in your world or what? 

Seider was drafted because he was the complete package. Size, skill, skating, attitude. Seider will score more in the NHL than Ras... as a dman. Bookmark this comment if need be. 

Still waiting to see what is so special about Ras to justify his draft position. He was literally drafted because of his size and net front presence. There were far better players left on the table here. This is a fact. But yes, enjoy your large 3C or middle 6 winger, because he certainly doesn't have the skill to be the top 6 center we need. And I say this as a fan of the guy. 

If you want a special player with size, yes, you have to draft high. Ras is not a special player though. Seider is a special player. Byfield is a special player. Ras is complementary. 

1 minute ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Rasmussen is skilled? s*** thats news to me

Oh look, we finally agree on something!

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

2 minutes ago, Hookersarethefuture said:

Rasmussen is skilled? s*** thats news to me

add it to the list

1 minute ago, marcaractac said:

Is everything black and white in your world or what? 

Seider was drafted because he was the complete package. Size, skill, skating, attitude. Seider will score more in the NHL than Ras... as a dman. Bookmark this comment if need be. 

Still waiting to see what is so special about Ras to justify his draft position. He was literally drafted because of his size and net front presence. There were far better players left on the table here. This is a fact. But yes, enjoy your large 3C or middle 6 winger, because he certainly doesn't have the skill to be the top 6 center we need. And I say this as a fan of the guy. 

If you want a special player with size, yes, you have to draft high. Ras is not a special player though. Seider is a special player. Byfield is a special player. Ras is complementary. 

Oh look, we finally agree on something!

We pick one forward in the top 10 base on size and you say this.....

 

31 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Yeah! Let's keep using top 10 draft picks to draft based on size!! That'll show the league!

This was your big zinger. And you say I'm black and white. lol

[krsmith17 7,191]

8 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Ah yes. The guy that may never play in the NHL. Good one. 

Most 6th round picks may never play in the NHL, but if I want to draft size, that's around where I'd target one...

Who would you compare Rasmussen to? Name some of the big men that have been drafted in the top 10, that have been wrecking shop in the playoffs... I honestly can't think of a single one, but if there is one, there's about a dozen small, soft, skilled players drafted in the top 10, that dominate in the playoffs...

8 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

I agree. Ras will never be a prime 50 pt Dman.

Byflugien is tied with Chara for heaviest NHLer of all time. Ras needs to add 20 lbs to get that big and burly, but I don't think I'd want him to. One of the reasons Byflugien went back to D was cause of his slow speed and weight. Ras needs to stay leaner and faster.

And Zberg was drafted 210th. Someone should have warned Holland that you're supposed to take size at the position.

I wouldn't say Seider has anymore skill than Ras does.

You act like Ras is Brian Boyle.

Byfuglien played wing on that Hawks Cup run. It wasn't until after he was put back on D. Point is, Rasmussen will never be a 50 point player, regardless of position, and he won't be that physical presence you're talking about on that Cup run.

I never said you're "supposed to take size at that position". I said if I were to target size (I wouldn't), it would be in the later rounds. The only big, mean player I can think of that was drafted in a similar range, and is still with the team that drafted him is Tom Wilson. Ras ain't Tom Wilson. Most every other player was traded for or signed via free agency.

Seider is MUCH more skilled than Rasmussen. And Brian Boyle isn't far off what I expect out of Rasmussen, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I just wouldn't waste a top 10 pick on that sort of player.

[marcaractac 3,963]

3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

add it to the list

We pick one forward in the top 10 base on size and you say this.....

 

This was your big zinger. And you say I'm black and white. lol

He was literally our first top 10 pick in decades...

And I guess sarcasm is too much for you to understand. Noted. 

[F.Michael 4,590]

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

9 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

He was literally our first top 10 pick in decades...

And I guess sarcasm is too much for you to understand. Noted. 

I didn't realize it was important that he was our first top 10 pick in decades. He surely blows now. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

Just now, The 91 of Ryans said:

I didn't realize it was important that he was our first top 10 pick in decades. He surely blows now. 

The first top 10 pick in a rebuild. Better draft a guy for his size! Thankfully Yzerman has more sense. 

And once again with your black or white bulls***. Being a waste of a top 10 pick != player blows. It simply means we could have gotten a much better player. If the right choice is made, we'd already be set down the middle for years to come. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

3 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Not as skilled as Necas sure, but yeah he's skilled. Tomas Holmstrom had a lot less skill and he put up 50-60 pt seasons cleaning up the front of the net.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I really think you're overrating the skill of Seider. Seider racks up points because he's always in correct position and never leaves the ice. Other than that there's not an extreme amount of offensive skill about him. I'd honestly give the edge on skill to Rasmussen.

I compared him to Martin Hanzal last night. 17th overall. In a redraft Rasmussen probably goes around 15.

 

I'll remind all of you that Rasmussen's scoring per60 was higher than Bertuzzi's this year. The kid is making steady progress towards being a 200ft Monster player. His points are going to go way up when he start playing more than 12 minutes a game. If you're exppecting him to dangle everyone sorry you're gonna be dissapointed. That's not his game and it doesn't need to be.

Seider is low key pretty skilled. Not flashy, but gets it done. I'd say his only real weakness is his clapper. But that will come in time. 

I also must once again stress that I'm not saying Ras is a bad player who won't be important. I'm simply stating the case of why he was (and still is) the wrong pick in that draft. 

His skill level is why I also think he'll be a more effective winger (like Homer) than a center. He doesn't have the skill level to be a 2C. But he can 100% be a beast on wing. 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

3 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

The first top 10 pick in a rebuild. Better draft a guy for his size! Thankfully Yzerman has more sense. 

And once again with your black or white bulls***. Being a waste of a top 10 pick != player blows. It simply means we could have gotten a much better player. If the right choice is made, we'd already be set down the middle for years to come. 

I just don't see Rasmussen as being a waste of the Wings first round pick in 17. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

Just now, The 91 of Ryans said:

I just don't see Rasmussen as being a waste of the Wings first round pick in 17. 

Congrats on your opinion. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

2 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

You could say this exact same thing about Rasmussen lol

Ras will do real good on the pp for us. But he won't be a top 2C. 

[F.Michael 4,590]

7 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

What I love about this is the same folks who pull their hair out about folks criticizing 21 year old Zadina (TOO SOON) are now pissing on a 22 year old Ras lol.

Good to know that on November 27th it will be officially legal to poop on Zadina.

LEGALIZEZADINAPPOOPING

I was impressed with Rasmountain  - in particular the last dozen or so games where Mantha was gone, and by process of elimination Ras got some playing time - certainly didn't look outta place.

Put him in there with a guy like Veleno (yes - he did look good too - where's mah crow) and I bet these guys will push for 40 to 50 pts each.

Edited June 29, 2021 by F.Michael

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

4 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Congrats on your opinion. 

Condolences for yours.

 

[krsmith17 7,191]

18 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

Not as skilled as Necas sure, but yeah he's skilled. Tomas Holmstrom had a lot less skill and he put up 50-60 pt seasons cleaning up the front of the net.

To be fair, Holmstrom would never put up 50 points in todays NHL either. Even with prime Zetterberg and Datsyuk.

18 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

I compared him to Martin Hanzal last night. 17th overall. In a redraft Rasmussen probably goes around 15.

Hanzal seems like a fair player comp. I think even 15th overall is a little generous though. I'd say around 20-25ish.

18 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

I'll remind all of you that Rasmussen's scoring per60 was higher than Bertuzzi's this year. The kid is making steady progress towards being a 200ft Monster player. His points are going to go way up when he start playing more than 12 minutes a game. If you're exppecting him to dangle everyone sorry you're gonna be dissapointed. That's not his game and it doesn't need to be.

I hope you're right, but I don't see it.

13 minutes ago, BarkBurgerman said:

What I love about this is the same folks who pull their hair out about folks criticizing 21 year old Zadina (TOO SOON) are now pissing on a 22 year old Ras lol.

Again, no one (besides maybe isthefuture) thinks Rasmussen sucks. Just that he was taken too high. Most thought so at the time, and with hindsight, it's even more clear.

Also, Zadina >>> Rasmussen and I can't even see the biggest Zadina detractors debating that... 

Edited June 29, 2021 by krsmith17

[marcaractac 3,963]

1 minute ago, krsmith17 said:

Again, no one (besides maybe isthefuture) thinks Rasmussen sucks. Just that he was taken too high. Most thought so at the time, and with hindsight, it's even more clear.

Also, Zadina >>> Rasmussen and I can't even see the biggest Zadina retractors debating that... 

But it's LGW, you either have to think a player is great or useless. It seems there is no in between. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

Just now, marcaractac said:

But it's LGW, you either have to think a player is great or useless. It seems there is no in between. 

In that case, Veleno is great and Rasmussen is useless...

Fight me @The 91 of Ryans !!! 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Just now, krsmith17 said:

In that case, Veleno is great and Rasmussen is useless...

Fight me @The 91 of Ryans !!! 

Hey man. I said I was glad to have you back. Sincerely.

Fav thing about you is that you don't dissolve into an infant when prodded. 

 

[marcaractac 3,963]

1 minute ago, BarkBurgerman said:

I'd say PP and PK. Don't really care if he plays center or not TBH.

I think you run Ras on both 1st unit special teams. Even as a 3C... a 3C that plays 3 min a night on the PP and PK is an extremely valuable piece. That's a huge step to rolling all our lines.

Yeah I can def see him being a big contributer on the PK as well. No debate there. I wanna see him as a middle 6 winger, forechecking beast. Being on wing would allow him to do a lot more of that stuff.