2022 TDL

[Akakabuto 1,863]

16 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Lindholm, Chychrun, Forsberg. One of these things is not like the others.

Forsberg is a forward.

Now, what do I win?

[marcaractac 3,963]

21 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Forsberg is a forward.

Now, what do I win?

A participation ribbon

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

50 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Lindholm, Chychrun, Forsberg. One of these things is not like the others.

You're worried about another Rasmussen. I want to see us get a Zegras or Rossi. The depth of this draft (especially at center) favors the latter.  We can realistically end up with a guy like Savoie in this draft. I take that all day long over a 28-year-old Lindholm.

This is not a team run by Ken Holland, after all. 

Im not worried about it.  I just understand that the 9th pick has a lot less chance of becoming Lucas Raymond than the 4th pick.  If you have a chance to add a surefire top pairing D for a 50/50 odds to 6 forward (and 50/50 is me being VERY generous), you take it 100% of the time.  The reason we didnt get him is he wasnt available to us.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

After Yzermans first 3 draft picks, I completely understand why you feel confident in him with a #9 pick in his hand.  I see that.

[marcaractac 3,963]

54 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Im not worried about it.  I just understand that the 9th pick has a lot less chance of becoming Lucas Raymond than the 4th pick.  If you have a chance to add a surefire top pairing D for a 50/50 odds to 6 forward (and 50/50 is me being VERY generous), you take it 100% of the time.  The reason we didnt get him is he wasnt available to us.

This draft, much like 2020, has a lot of quality talent. I'd argue 50/50 is being pretty conservative when you're looking at possibly adding a guy like Savoie or Nazar. These guys are also not pipe-dreams that require a draft lottery win either. At least one of those guys is very likely to be on the board when Yzerman picks. 

This team is far more starved for a quality top 6 center in the system than anything else. LHD included. If Lindholm was acquired for the pick, that gaping hole is still there. And the .500 record the team would produce next season wouldn't get them any closer to it.  

I get wanting to add guys to improve the team based on the success of the first half. But this team is not there yet. Guys like Goligoski should be the target to help on the blueline next season. He would certainly be a huge improvement over Leddy, and a nice TDL piece as well. 

Philly is a team that loves trying to reload with good, but not great players because they are the best in the UFA class. Look where that has gotten them. Living in mediocrity. Not good enough to win, not bad enough to get better. Let's get that high-end center first!

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

2 hours ago, marcaractac said:

This draft, much like 2020, has a lot of quality talent. I'd argue 50/50 is being pretty conservative when you're looking at possibly adding a guy like Savoie or Nazar. These guys are also not pipe-dreams that require a draft lottery win either. At least one of those guys is very likely to be on the board when Yzerman picks. 

This team is far more starved for a quality top 6 center in the system than anything else. LHD included. If Lindholm was acquired for the pick, that gaping hole is still there. And the .500 record the team would produce next season wouldn't get them any closer to it.  

I get wanting to add guys to improve the team based on the success of the first half. But this team is not there yet. Guys like Goligoski should be the target to help on the blueline next season. He would certainly be a huge improvement over Leddy, and a nice TDL piece as well. 

Philly is a team that loves trying to reload with good, but not great players because they are the best in the UFA class. Look where that has gotten them. Living in mediocrity. Not good enough to win, not bad enough to get better. Let's get that high-end center first!

I see our holes like this (only counting players I think Stevie should keep):

 

Vrana - ________ - Raymond

Bertuzzi - Larkin - ________

Zadina - Veleno - Sundqvist

Smith - Rasmussen - Soderblom

Berggren/Hirose

______ - Seider

Edvinsson - Hronek

Lindstrom - Sebrango

McIsaac

Ned

Cossa

 

I was hoping a tank in 2022 could get us Shane Wright, and the TDL/Trades could get us Forsberg and Lindholm.  Fill those 3 holes with those 3 guys and we're on our way to the playoffs next year.  But like you, I can only window shop for the things I want.  Yzerman has the checkbook.

[bIueadams 776]

13 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

https://theathletic.com/news/bruins-sign-hampus-lindholm-to-8-year-extension-1-day-after-acquiring-him-from-ducks/9XKqIsvHmjWY/

If we had acquired Lindholm from Anaheim, we could have signed him to an 8 year deal. That would be the only way we would have a chance to get him.  No way he would have signed as an UFA. There would have been better teams and/or offers.

 

 

 

Nope. I didn't.

We'd be getting Lindholm in UFA. No way Yzerman buys him at the TDL.

Our off-season is pretty much ruined now that Boston has locked him up. There is literally no one even comparable available. Now we will waste another year of Seiders ELC playing him with a new bum partner.

Vrana - Larkin - Raymond

Fabbri - Veleno - Bertuzzi

Ras - Suter - Sundqvist

Erne - Stephens - Soderblom

Lindholm - Seider

Edvinsson- Hronek

Walman - Lindstrom

Ned

JVP

That's a playoff team. Legit top 6 when Veleno takes the next step. Zadina can be traded for a center if necessary or scratched. Soderblom is too big and talented to ignore in GR. 

Legit bottom 6. Solid mix of size grit and skill. Erne will find his game again in a contract year.

Lindholm, Edvinsson, and Seider are big minute stallions. Hronek, Walman, and Lindstrom is a solid group to handle the lesser minutes. 

JVP is one of, if not thee, best goalie outside the NHL. He will end up battling Ned for that starting role.

I'm not sure folks realize how talented this team really is. Vrana will be back for a full season, that is huge. Seider is literally Pronger/Chelios. Oh and wait we're adding another carbon copy of him in Eddog next year. Bertuzzi hasn't even begun to peak. Sodabomb is Franzen on steroids. Raymond is already the most offensively talented player on the roster. We're poised NOW to make a push.

Vrana (Palat) - Larkin (Toews) - Raymond (D Sedin)

Fabbri (Tatar) - Veleno (Krejci) - Bertuzzi (Marchand)

Ras (Boyle) - Suter (Jarnkrok) - Sundqvist (Glendog)

Erne (Ott) - Stephens (Beagle) - Soderblom (Franzen)

Lindholm (Fischer) - Seider (Pronger)

Edvinsson (Chelios) - Hronek (Green)

Walman (Quincey) - Lindstrom (Jensen)

Ned (Osgood)

JVP (Mrazek)

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

On 3/24/2022 at 1:08 PM, marcaractac said:

A participation ribbon

I have a trophy case full of those and my little league trophies that all the kids got.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

I have a trophy case full of those and my little league trophies that all the kids got.

i never won s*** either.  i suck too

[Akakabuto 1,863]

On 3/24/2022 at 6:08 PM, marcaractac said:

A participation ribbon

Does it say ’Cleverest r-slur on LGW’?

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

1 hour ago, Akakabuto said:

Does it say ’Cleverest r-slur on LGW’?

Marcs ribbon is for armchair GM of the year.

 

- 0 UFAs added

- 0 RFAs worried about signing huge deals

- 47.4 million of cap space

- Draft plans include a 1C and 2RW with pick #11 and #41.

 

The Yzerman of fantasy GMs.

Edited March 25, 2022 by Jonas Mahonas

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Marcs ribbon is for armchair GM of the year.

 

- 0 UFAs added

- 0 RFAs worried about signing huge deals

- 47.4 million of cap space

- Draft plans include a 1C and 2RW with pick #11 and #41.

 

The Yzerman of fantasy GMs.

Fantasy GMs build their team to win for one season without regard for the future. Yzerman should be building a team that can become a contender and maintain it. Two totally different strategies.

Edited March 25, 2022 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Fantasy GMs build their team to win for one season without regard for the future. Yzerman should be building a team that can become a contender and maintain it. Two totally different strategies.

exactly.  Marc wants to win in 2029.  I want to have a shot to win it every year starting next year.

[bIueadams 776]

2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Fantasy GMs build their team to win for one season without regard for the future. Yzerman should be building a team that can become a contender and maintain it. Two totally different strategies.

Not if you play in a multiseason league (the remaining members of LGW should be doing this). You can protect some of your players at season end. Unprotected go back into the draft pool. And you can trade picks for players. Played in a 12 team league with full 23 man rosters doing this. It's pretty fun but just one GM who ghosts the league spoils it quickly.

It gives fantasy GMs an actual motivation to sell players and pick swap b4 the TDL. One guy will inevitably go for building a HOF team swapping all his future picks down. But then he loses a lot of really good players in next years draft with no good way to recoup them.

Selling teams will sell all their vet or prime players (keep superstars) and then load up on picks and young players who might "break out" next year.

Really stimulates trading, which is a fun part of sports obviously. 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

1 hour ago, bIueadams said:

Not if you play in a multiseason league (the remaining members of LGW should be doing this). You can protect some of your players at season end. Unprotected go back into the draft pool. And you can trade picks for players. Played in a 12 team league with full 23 man rosters doing this. It's pretty fun but just one GM who ghosts the league spoils it quickly.

It gives fantasy GMs an actual motivation to sell players and pick swap b4 the TDL. One guy will inevitably go for building a HOF team swapping all his future picks down. But then he loses a lot of really good players in next years draft with no good way to recoup them.

Selling teams will sell all their vet or prime players (keep superstars) and then load up on picks and young players who might "break out" next year.

Really stimulates trading, which is a fun part of sports obviously. 

Did u not make move because it could hurt you in 2027?

[bIueadams 776]

52 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Did u not make move because it could hurt you in 2027?

Obviously there's no cap in fantasy (they should include an option to have one).

Nope I tried to make reasonable marginal improvements to go for it, without completely blowing up my next season. Lost in the finals to the guy who went buckwild selling his future to win now. After the first season 2 or 3 guys ghosted the league and it all kinda fizzled out. You gotta have a league where guys are committed to coming back next season clearly. 

Adding Lindholm is a reasonable improvement for this team. Especially with our cap and number of future ELC players. This isn't a tanking team anymore. We have young superstars who need to be built upon, with more on the way. I'm not saying don't sell at the deadline. I'm saying it's to make meaningful improvements. Lindholm was the most meaningful improvement we could have made this off-season. I don't think we're not a destination anymore. Players see Yzermans building a winner. They see our young stars. One of these Dman is going to be salivating to play next to Seider. Maybe that was Lindholm. Maybe that's someone else.

Going forward I can see Zadorov or De Haan or Maata highly motivated to sign here. Maybe even short term. Their goal will be to get big ice time and play with Seider to improve their careers and get another pay day. All three have taken hits to their careers recently. Maatas offense drying up. De Haans offense drying up and being traded around. Zadorov being forced down to 3rd pairing and off his PK unit. We can offer any of them tremendous oppurtunity here.

Lindholm wouldve been real nice though. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

23 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

exactly.  Marc wants to win in 2029.  I want to have a shot to win it every year starting next year.

I've never seen someone's difference of opinion bug someone as much as mine do you. It's highly entertaining. Lindholm in Boston must haunt your sad little dreams.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

35 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

I've never seen someone's difference of opinion bug someone as much as mine do you. It's highly entertaining. Lindholm in Boston must haunt your sad little dreams.

nope.  because that Lindholm contract crippled Boston in 2027.  Ha Ha, Boston.  Youre doomed in 5 years.

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

nope.  because that Lindholm contract crippled Boston in 2027.  Ha Ha, Boston.  Youre doomed in 5 years.

Boston is on a downward path. Their former stars arent getting any younger. Bruins will be in rebuild mode in 5 years. Lindholm contract wont hurt them. Wings will be a top 5 team by then. It would hurt them.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

15 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Boston is on a downward path. Their former stars arent getting any younger. Bruins will be in rebuild mode in 5 years. Lindholm contract wont hurt them. Wings will be a top 5 team by then. It would hurt them.

ok, Nostradamus

[bIueadams 776]

1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Boston is on a downward path. Their former stars arent getting any younger. Bruins will be in rebuild mode in 5 years. Lindholm contract wont hurt them. Wings will be a top 5 team by then. It would hurt them.

I mean they'll have to replace Bergeron... but they still have young stars. Who knows what other great pieces they'll add between now and Bergs retirement. Lotta folks thought Boston would lose step without Chara, but hey look it's McAvoy and now Lindholm. 

Edited March 27, 2022 by bIueadams

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

7 hours ago, bIueadams said:

I mean they'll have to replace Bergeron... but they still have young stars. Who knows what other great pieces they'll add between now and Bergs retirement. Lotta folks thought Boston would lose step without Chara, but hey look it's McAvoy and now Lindholm. 

Bergeron is 36 and Marchand is 33. They lost Chara already. I am not saying losing those 3 is equivalent to Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Lidstrom, but that's a large deficit to replace. Even with guys like Pastrnak and Taylor Hall (31 in November) and McAvoy. They also lost Krug too. DeBrusk is a good, young forward, but he's not a Bergeron or Marchand.

Boston may be able to stay relevant for a few more seasons, but much like the 2010's Red Wings, they are going to have to decide if they want to keep treading water or clean house and rebuild.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Bergeron is 36 and Marchand is 33. They lost Chara already. I am not saying losing those 3 is equivalent to Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Lidstrom, but that's a large deficit to replace. Even with guys like Pastrnak and Taylor Hall (31 in November) and McAvoy. They also lost Krug too. DeBrusk is a good, young forward, but he's not a Bergeron or Marchand.

Boston may be able to stay relevant for a few more seasons, but much like the 2010's Red Wings, they are going to have to decide if they want to keep treading water or clean house and rebuild.

Bergeron gonna take 4/5 deal this off season.

[bIueadams 776]

8 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Bergeron is 36 and Marchand is 33. They lost Chara already. I am not saying losing those 3 is equivalent to Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Lidstrom, but that's a large deficit to replace. Even with guys like Pastrnak and Taylor Hall (31 in November) and McAvoy. They also lost Krug too. DeBrusk is a good, young forward, but he's not a Bergeron or Marchand.

Boston may be able to stay relevant for a few more seasons, but much like the 2010's Red Wings, they are going to have to decide if they want to keep treading water or clean house and rebuild.

If their future is screwed its because they completely blundered the 2015 entry draft.

Bergeron is aging, but he'll age well. So will Marchand. They were able to adequately replace Chara and Rask. Defense and wingers are pretty decent. All they need to do is gun for centers for the next 4 years. I don't see them completely falling off like we did anytime soon. 

[bIueadams 776]

Apparently Detroit was trying get Matt Barzal from the Islanders at the TDL but the deal never happened (twitter thread has since been deleted).

Maybe that's why Steve was ticked off in his presser? His "very fair offer (swindle)" big splash move didn't get done?

Islanders have most of their team locked up for a long time - except Barzal. It's gonna be hard to give him an extension on long island.

Had to check Barzal's stats - after his inaugural 85 pt season, he's regressed to a 65 pt center over the last 4 years, on a pretty good team. He's about to turn 25. He makes $7 mil next year then becomes RFA. What do you offer for a guy like this? I have no idea what NYI would want in return. Probably young players who don't cost much, but could contribute now I'd assume.

To NYI: Rasmussen + Zadina + Wallinder + 1st
To DET: Barzal

Maybe we can offersheet him next year. $8.2 x 7. Would cost us a 1st, 2nd, 3rd. Not sure they can match that without moving other pieces.

Next summer:

Vrana - Larkin - Raymond
Fabbri - Barzal - Bertuzzi
Ras - Veleno - Zadina
Smith - Pearson - Stephens