Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: While those are both good players, I wouldn't like this draft strategy. We'd still be lacking a competitive forward corps and you're not likely to get impact forwards outside the top of the draft so you're just kicking the can down the road yet again. Another way of putting it would be: If I could only have 4 all-stars on my team I'd rather they be two centers and two defensemen than 4 defensemen or 4 centers. You can compliment star players with good free agents and be ok, but you can't build and entire forward corps (or defense corps) through free agency. Side note, can you believe that the Red Wings have been looking for a quality 2nd line center since signing Stephen Weiss TEN YEARS AGO? It is completely insane to think that we've had a glaring hole in our lineup for a DECADE and every attempt to fill it (not that there were many) has been a half-assed failure. Weiss, Richards, Neilsen, Suter, Copp. Losers. ha. youre right. or are we just spoiled AF after having Klima-Fedorov-Datsyuk man the 2C slot for 25 straight seasons? I'd like to see us take a shot at ROR and Tarasenko. They would be a good size upgrade. Tarasenko-O'Reilly-Raymond Rasmussen-Larkin-Perron Kubalik-Copp-Kasper Zadina-Veleno-Soderblom 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted June 8, 2023 24 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: ha. youre right. or are we just spoiled AF after having Klima-Fedorov-Datsyuk man the 2C slot for 25 straight seasons? I'd like to see us take a shot at ROR and Tarasenko. They would be a good size upgrade. Tarasenko-O'Reilly-Raymond Rasmussen-Larkin-Perron Kubalik-Copp-Kasper Zadina-Veleno-Soderblom Reunite the former Blues; Tarasenko - O’Reilly - Perron. 1 1 Rick D and Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 9:55 PM, The 91 of Ryans said: and a D-man going top 8 is bankable too. Button's (who I usually like for draft rankings and who had Seider and Raymond ranked 1-2 prospects before their rookie year) post U18 top 10 is this: Bedard Fantilli Carlsson Michkov Sandin-Pellikka Smith Sale Willander Dvorsky Barlow Is this NHL parity? That's as reasonable as anyone else's list. I remember there was chatter about Seider in the lead-up to draft day. People think the pick came absolutely out of nowhere, but there were people on the HF boards and some bloggers saying they'd be surprised if he didn't go top 10. There are some players in this draft class that are being talked up in much the same way. Idk. Whatever happens, it'll be interesting. 7 hours ago, kipwinger said: Pronman is usually right about which player is going to go in which draft range. But he ALWAYS thinks centers will play on the wing in the NHL and he always grades guys' skating worse than it actually is. I've read his stuff for years and I always know those two things are coming. To be fair, that "Not sure he's a center at the next level" thing is E-V-E-R-Y-W-H-E-R-E. Everyone and his grandma says that about everyone who isn't a consensus top-5 pick. Even goalies and defensemen. "He's an agile goalie. Probably not a centerman at the next level, but..." 1 1 kipwinger and Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) On 6/6/2023 at 10:21 PM, F.Michael said: So that means Yzerman is drafting the bad boy Russians that are available? lol maybe! It's anyone's guess with SY. We know he loves him some Swedepuck. And certainly a guy like Willander screams "Yzerman player." But if we somehow end up with, like, Michkov and Simashev? I'm not gonna be super shocked. I'm prepared for pretty much anything. Edited June 9, 2023 by Dabura 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dabura said: lol maybe! It's anyone's guess with SY. We know he loves him some Swedepuck. And certainly a guy like Willander screams "Yzerman player." But if we somehow end up with, like, Michkov and Simashev? I'm not gonna be super shocked. I'm prepared for pretty much anything. Yeah - since I don't know/follow any of these prospects it's just interesting to read different takes/opinions. EDIT - I totally forgot the #1 reason why I enjoy watching the NHL Draft...MILFS Edited June 9, 2023 by F.Michael 2 Akakabuto and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, kipwinger said: You say these things like you know. It's cute. Except that we see year after year that it's not the case. A year ago we need centers and to nobody's surprise the BPA each time we picked just happened to be a center? The year before that we needed a goalie and we were able to trade up and the BPA just happened to be a goalie? This after drafting a stud left defenseman instead of a stud RHD, and that's just because he was the BPA and not because we had two stud righties on our team already? And not just the top picks. Yzerman says he wants to build from the back end out and the "BPA" for three of his first four draft picks are defensemen? That's odd. In fact it's extremely unlikely statistically. Also, a ranking doesn't determine a player's talent level (as you say above). A players talent is not changed by a ranking. They don't become more or less talented depending on which team's scouts are evaluating them. Boards don't reflect who's the most talented player. They reflect who the team values the most at each draft position. And it's absurd to think the team doesn't weight things like position, handedness, and organizational needs when determining who they value the most for each draft position. Edit: Also, every single year we hear Yzerman or Draper or someone say "This is the player Hakan Andersson was banging the table for". Why would that be necessary if there was no variability in who was selected at any given pick? And if there is some variability then there's no BPA...or teams are ignoring it. One of my good friends is an NHL scout for the Islanders. Another one of my buddies scouts for an independent ranking org in the OHL. You are pulling so much fake s*** out your ass lol carry on Edited June 9, 2023 by bIueadams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 1 minute ago, bIueadams said: One of my good friends is an NHL scout for the Islanders. Another one of my buddies scouts for an independent ranking org in the OHL. You are blowing so much s*** out your ass lol carry on Yep, you have a friend whose uncle’s brother knows a scout. And you’re a business owner who travels all over Europe. And you’re a national champion athlete. And and and. You’re a liar man. You’ve done it for years. Your credibility is zilch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, kipwinger said: Yep, you have a friend whose uncle’s brother knows a scout. And you’re a business owner who travels all over Europe. And you’re a national champion athlete. And and and. You’re a liar man. You’ve done it for years. Your credibility is zilch. Had my own business for 2 years = yup, sold Traveled all over Europe = yup, I only engaged with European businesses for about 5 years Won the ncaa title in 2008 i think it was - guess the sport but ur a marine who knows noww how high up in DC as a lawyer. Sure bro. Edited June 9, 2023 by bIueadams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, bIueadams said: Had my own business for 2 years = yup, sold Traveled all over Europe = yup, I only engaged with European businesses for about 5 years Won the ncaa title in 2008 i think it was - guess the sport but ur a marine who knows no how high up in DC as a lawyer. Sure bro. Wait, did you just do “I know you are but what am I?”. Lol In between lying, trolling, and making sock accounts do you ever look in the mirror and realize that you’re a f*cking man baby? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, kipwinger said: Wait, did you just do “I know you are but what am I?”. Lol In between lying, trolling, and making sock accounts do you ever look in the mirror and realize that you’re a f*cking man baby? awwww somes ones jelly, ive been shockingly honest with this board - and the discord knows my full name and occupations 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 1 minute ago, bIueadams said: awwww somes ones jelly, ive been shockingly honest with this board - and the discord knows my full name and occupations Sure you have. People are always giving out personal information on the internet. I’m sure you were, as usual, the picture of honesty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, kipwinger said: Sure you have. People are always giving out personal information on the internet. I’m sure you were, as usual, the picture of honesty. lol life as a bureaucrat aint so fun huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 1 minute ago, bIueadams said: lol life as a bureaucrat aint so fun huh? What not to like? Good salary, great benefits, and I don’t have to interact with the public. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, kipwinger said: What not to like? Good salary, great benefits, and I don’t have to interact with the public. Damn can u recommend me for a job? Im out here lying about my business ventures to get by Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, bIueadams said: Damn can u recommend me for a job? Im out here lying about my business ventures to get by I’ll keep you in mind in case an “Obnoxious Tw*t” position opens up. Edited June 9, 2023 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 fml Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, kipwinger said: I’ll keep you in mind in case an “Obnoxious Tw*t” position opens up. s*** i can lie and go to italy tmrw if it helps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 1 minute ago, bIueadams said: s*** i can lie and go to italy tmrw if it helps But who would take care of the houses you own all over the country? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, bIueadams said: awwww somes ones jelly, ive been shockingly honest with this board - and the discord knows my full name and occupations Did you spend that gift card yet? Don't tell me you lost it on your previous work email... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 29 minutes ago, kipwinger said: But who would take care of the houses you own all over the country? 21 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Did you spend that gift card yet? Don't tell me you lost it on your previous work email... im so busy dealing with @kipwingers jealously i cant find time to spend the American gift card 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 9, 2023 10 hours ago, bIueadams said: im so busy dealing with @kipwingers jealously i cant find time to spend the American gift card Kipwinger's reputation is almost 20 times yours. Woh! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted June 10, 2023 23 hours ago, F.Michael said: Yeah - since I don't know/follow any of these prospects it's just interesting to read different takes/opinions. EDIT - I totally forgot the #1 reason why I enjoy watching the NHL Draft...MILFS MILF HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 Akakabuto, Jonas Mahonas and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 10, 2023 48 minutes ago, Dabura said: MILF HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! woh! nice reputation, Dabura! 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted June 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: woh! nice reputation, Dabura! THANK YOU! I OWE IT ALL TO THE MILFS! 2 Jonas Mahonas and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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