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[F.Michael 4,590]

46 minutes ago, Akakabuto said:

Not at nr 9 tho

You do recall Zadina was drafted at #6…

 

48 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

This sounds like EXACTLY what/who we need paired with Edvinsson behind Seider/Walman.  A guy that allows Edvinsson to skate up and down the ice, covers up mistakes, and doesnt cost a lot.  You have this guy pegged perfectly, but you dont see that he fills a position of need.  

No way he's there at 9, but we should take him if he is.

If he’s a Stuart clone then I would take him at #9 considering there’s always a bunch that never make it to the big leagues.

[Axl Foley 334]

1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

We camt have (7) D that all make 9 million a year.  People forget that the best defensemen on a team sometimes are the Fetisovs and Rouses that stop the goals from going in and dont cost as much as the Lidstroms and Murphys that help the goals go in.

Then why do you want to draft only RD with the first 3 picks? This is exactly what could happen.

[bIueadams 776]

2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

No way he's there at 9, but we should take him if he is.

If anyone recalls, Stuart was drafted #3 overall. But prolly goes around 15-20 in a redraft. And I'm absolutely okay taking Reinlander at 17. But not at 9. We need a heavy hitter at 9. Anything after 15 we just need NHLers.

1 hour ago, F.Michael said:

If he’s a Stuart clone then I would take him at #9 considering there’s always a bunch that never make it to the big leagues.

Thought about it a little more, I think he's like Brett Hedican with less PIMs. He can prolly skate 1000 games for you. But he's only gonna put up about 15-25 pts a season, and will throw a hit every other game. Good asset to have, but not a difference maker.

Again, I'd take him at 17, but not at 9.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

What you guys know about draft picks I could fit in a thimble 

[bIueadams 776]

2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

What you guys know about draft picks I could fit in a thimble 

What you know about thimbles i could fit in ur ass

[Axl Foley 334]

17 hours ago, bIueadams said:

If anyone recalls, Stuart was drafted #3 overall. But prolly goes around 15-20 in a redraft. And I'm absolutely okay taking Reinlander at 17. But not at 9. We need a heavy hitter at 9. Anything after 15 we just need NHLers.

Thought about it a little more, I think he's like Brett Hedican with less PIMs. He can prolly skate 1000 games for you. But he's only gonna put up about 15-25 pts a season, and will throw a hit every other game. Good asset to have, but not a difference maker.

Again, I'd take him at 17, but not at 9.

Hedican was a great defenseman.

16 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

What you guys know about draft picks I could fit in a thimble 

antiquated analogy

[bIueadams 776]

45 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Hedican was a great defenseman.

antiquated analogy

Or maybe a slightly better Kris Russell as a more modern example.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

Rumors that Detroit might be in on Erik Karlsson. How does that impact your #9 pick if that trade happens? What if Yzerman is able to acquire both Karlsson and Debrincat? Are you taking a C for sure at 9 now? Or are you still taking Reinbacher or Willander?

[kipwinger 8,772]

47 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Rumors that Detroit might be in on Erik Karlsson. How does that impact your #9 pick if that trade happens? What if Yzerman is able to acquire both Karlsson and Debrincat? Are you taking a C for sure at 9 now? Or are you still taking Reinbacher or Willander?

You'd have to assume that San Jose would be swapping the 4th with the 9th pick in order for Detroit to have any interest in this trade. Otherwise it makes no sense from our perspective.

[Axl Foley 334]

He did have a bounce back year, but an older player on an albatross contract makes no sense unless SJ is sweetening the deal in some other way.

[LeftWinger 5,153]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

You'd have to assume that San Jose would be swapping the 4th with the 9th pick in order for Detroit to have any interest in this trade. Otherwise it makes no sense from our perspective.

That would nice!

[kipwinger 8,772]

44 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

That would nice!

Maybe, not sure I want 4 more years of a 33 year old defenseman at 11 million

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

On 6/17/2023 at 6:30 PM, kipwinger said:

Maybe, not sure I want 4 more years of a 33 year old defenseman at 11 million

What would prevent us from sending him away at the trade line next year?

[kipwinger 8,772]

2 hours ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

What would prevent us from sending him away at the trade line next year?

His contract?

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

8 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

His contract?

So if he has a list of 10 teams in his contract that he would go to then it's a non issue IF we can work a deal out right? 

[kipwinger 8,772]

2 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

So if he has a list of 10 teams in his contract that he would go to then it's a non issue IF we can work a deal out right? 

Well yes, but that's not what I meant. He has a no-movement clause in his contract, so no team can just trade him whenever they want. But what I was really getting at is that he's under contract for 4 more seasons @ $11 million dollars AAV...and...he's...terrible. He can't defend. At all. So you'd have to hide him in the lineup. You'd be paying an oft injured, 33 year old, WAY too much money, then you'd have to shelter him, and then you'd have to keep sheltering him for 3 more years (assuming he's traded at next year's deadline as you indicated).

The only way Karlsson is moving is if San Jose is willing to move the 4th overall pick. Otherwise I just don't see anyone touching that contract.

 

[bIueadams 776]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Well yes, but that's not what I meant. He has a no-movement clause in his contract, so no team can just trade him whenever they want. But what I was really getting at is that he's under contract for 4 more seasons @ $11 million dollars AAV...and...he's...terrible. He can't defend. At all. So you'd have to hide him in the lineup. You'd be paying an oft injured, 33 year old, WAY too much money, then you'd have to shelter him, and then you'd have to keep sheltering him for 3 more years (assuming he's traded at next year's deadline as you indicated).

The only way Karlsson is moving is if San Jose is willing to move the 4th overall pick. Otherwise I just don't see anyone touching that contract.

 

I was gonna say $11 mil caphit is just plain hard to move at the TDL. Most playoff teams just dont have that cap space

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

Well yes, but that's not what I meant. He has a no-movement clause in his contract, so no team can just trade him whenever they want. But what I was really getting at is that he's under contract for 4 more seasons @ $11 million dollars AAV...and...he's...terrible. He can't defend. At all. So you'd have to hide him in the lineup. You'd be paying an oft injured, 33 year old, WAY too much money, then you'd have to shelter him, and then you'd have to keep sheltering him for 3 more years (assuming he's traded at next year's deadline as you indicated).

The only way Karlsson is moving is if San Jose is willing to move the 4th overall pick. Otherwise I just don't see anyone touching that contract.

 

aaah didn't realize he has a full no-movement thanks for clarifying

[kipwinger 8,772]

Fun Fact: Last season Erik Karlsson was on the ice for the most 5 on 5 goals against IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. Like, he's baaaaaaaaaad. You can't play him against top competition and win. But you also can't not-play him if you want his offense. Quite the dilemma. And then you remember you have to pay him 11 million bucks for the privilege of trying to figure out how to use him. He's a wreck.

[Axl Foley 334]

1 hour ago, bIueadams said:

I was gonna say $11 mil caphit is just plain hard to move at the TDL. Most playoff teams just dont have that cap space

That's why there is usually salary retention in those situations.

[bIueadams 776]

17 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

That's why there is usually salary retention in those situations.

Sure but its a x4 year deal. 

 

[kipwinger 8,772]

1 hour ago, Axl Foley said:

That's why there is usually salary retention in those situations.

I don't think they'd retain much on Karlsson. If they retained half they're still sitting on a 5.5 million cap hit for four years. That's not insignificant. Not to mention Karlsson, despite his deficiencies, is still a hugely popular player in the league. I think rather than eat a bunch of money for that long a period of time they'd simply choose to keep him till the end of the contact and sell a whole bunch of Erik Karlsson merch (like the Tigers have done with Cabrera).