Extensions

[bIueadams 776]

We have x4 key players in need of extensions this coming year

• Seider
• Raymond
• Rasmussen
• Berggren

Seider is the most important pillar on this team. IMO give him $9 x 8, full NMC. Make him the highest paid player on the team and gives him the respect that comes with that. Contract will expire when he's 31.

Raymond gets $4.75 x 4. This matches Perron's value and indicates his value to the team. 4 years says we are committed to him, but he's not earned a huge deal yet. Contract expires when he's 25 and we still have RFA control.

Rasmussen gets $4 x 6. Same AAV as Fabbri. He's willing to trade a little salary for our commitment to 6 years. Deal ends when he turns 30.

Berggren we haven't seen enough of yet, so he gets bridged. Deal is $2 x 2. Indicates he has more value than Zadina at $1.875 AAV. Deal ends when he's 25 and we still have RFA control

Total cost of extensions: $19.75

This extension cost is a serious matter. As of today the Red Wings have $30 mil in cap space with only 15 players on the roster. The remaining 8 roster spots will almost certainly cost us $10 million. We can't afford to take cap dumps anymore, and I think we should absolutely sell at the TDL again in 2024 to sell Kubalik and Perron, freeing up another $7 mil in capspace.

The year after, the only player needing extension, as of today, will be Zadina, who we can offer to go pound sand. I think that will be the time to go all in and push for the playoffs. So I wouldn't be surprised if Yzerman stays a little quiet this year, Then after the extensions and TDL are done he goes full pedal to the metal.

Edited June 25, 2023 by bIueadams

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

There’s no ******* way Yzerman is “quiet” this year. Not being stupid does not equal quiet. 

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

Seider 9 x 8

Raymond 4 x 5

Rasmussen 5 x 8

Berggren 3 x 8

 

[bIueadams 776]

46 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

There’s no ******* way Yzerman is “quiet” this year. Not being stupid does not equal quiet. 

He won't be committing to long term contracts much beyond 15-20 million in AAV. With extensions in mind we have roughly $10 mil in hand to spend on UFAs and $7 mil that won't be free until next year. So it would be smart to limit ourselves to $10 mil spending this offseason for 8 positions (roughly 1.25 per position).

The only way we spend more is we chase 1 year deals.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

13 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

He won't be committing to long term contracts much beyond 15-20 million in AAV. With extensions in mind we have roughly $10 mil in hand to spend on UFAs and $7 mil that won't be free until next year. So it would be smart to limit ourselves to $10 mil spending this offseason for 8 positions (roughly 1.25 per position).

The only way we spend more is we chase 1 year deals.

We need to play our youth is all.  Edvinsson, Kasper, Mazur, #9, #17.  These guys are 900k a yar guys.  Gotta mix in the youth while they're cheap.

[bIueadams 776]

7 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

We need to play our youth is all.  Edvinsson, Kasper, Mazur, #9, #17.  These guys are 900k a yar guys.  Gotta mix in the youth while they're cheap.

Yup I expect Kasper and Eddogg to join us, and possibly Mazur

[Axl Foley 334]

Yzeman will bring in at least one free agent dman this summer. Also we will see more 2 year deals I think.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

1 hour ago, bIueadams said:

Yup I expect Kasper and Eddogg to join us, and possibly Mazur

Say these extensions are 20M. + say 1.8 for Veleno this summer which we’ll round off to 2M. Total of 22M

Wings have almost 50M in space next year right now. Assuming flat cap (won’t be) 

By my count (which includes Kasper Edvinsson Mazur) the Wings would have 16 players signed to start 24-25 with I think 26M left over. 

They could hypothetically give DCat 8 and say someone else 6 and have 12M left for 5 players. Easy peezy no? 

The only way Yguy is quiet is if he thinks nexts year’s UFA crop is slam-dunk better IMO

 

16 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Yzeman will bring in at least one free agent dman this summer. Also we will see more 2 year deals I think.

Seems like a good strategy to fix the league’s 2nd worst 5-on-5 offence

Edited June 25, 2023 by The 91 of Ryans

[bIueadams 776]

3 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Say these extensions are 20M. + say 1.8 for Veleno this summer which we’ll round off to 2M. Total of 22M

Wings have almost 50M in space next year right now. Assuming flat cap (won’t be) 

By my count (which includes Kasper Edvinsson Mazur) the Wings would have 16 players signed to start 24-25 with I think 26M left over. 

They could hypothetically give DCat 8 and say someone else 6 and have 12M left for 5 players. Easy peezy no? 

The only way Yguy is quiet is if he thinks nexts year’s UFA crop is slam-dunk better IMO

 

Seems like a good strategy to fix the league’s 2nd worst 5-on-5 offence

We have $56.5 against the cap with an 18 man roster (Kasper + Eddogg + Sodastream + Veleno @ $1.8 mil on the roster)

That's $5.4 available per open roster position.

Certainly a lot of money. But with extensions on the horizon (and assuming Kuba and Perron are sold) we have $61.5 against the cap next year with a 16 man roster (Kasper + Soda + Ed + Veleno still included).

That's $3.14 per position. I'm just saying we should stick to that budget on any deal going beyond 1 year. And of course we can cheap out at some roster spots to use that money on others. 

 

 

[diehardredwingsfan58 164]

8 hours ago, bIueadams said:

We have x4 key players in need of extensions this coming year

• Seider
• Raymond
• Rasmussen
• Berggren

Seider is the most important pillar on this team. IMO give him $9 x 8, full NMC. Make him the highest paid player on the team and gives him the respect that comes with that. Contract will expire when he's 31.

Raymond gets $4.75 x 4. This matches Perron's value and indicates his value to the team. 4 years says we are committed to him, but he's not earned a huge deal yet. Contract expires when he's 25 and we still have RFA control.

Rasmussen gets $4 x 6. Same AAV as Fabbri. He's willing to trade a little salary for our commitment to 6 years. Deal ends when he turns 30.

Berggren we haven't seen enough of yet, so he gets bridged. Deal is $2 x 2. Indicates he has more value than Zadina at $1.875 AAV. Deal ends when he's 25 and we still have RFA control

Total cost of extensions: $19.75

This extension cost is a serious matter. As of today the Red Wings have $30 mil in cap space with only 15 players on the roster. The remaining 8 roster spots will almost certainly cost us $10 million. We can't afford to take cap dumps anymore, and I think we should absolutely sell at the TDL again in 2024 to sell Kubalik and Perron, freeing up another $7 mil in capspace.

The year after, the only player needing extension, as of today, will be Zadina, who we can offer to go pound sand. I think that will be the time to go all in and push for the playoffs. So I wouldn't be surprised if Yzerman stays a little quiet this year, Then after the extensions and TDL are done he goes full pedal to the metal.

Yeah that's smart taking Raymond up to free agency, It's either a 3 year bridge or a long term deal. Giving him 4 years takes him straight to free agency. Way too much risk there.

[Axl Foley 334]

4 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Say these extensions are 20M. + say 1.8 for Veleno this summer which we’ll round off to 2M. Total of 22M

Wings have almost 50M in space next year right now. Assuming flat cap (won’t be) 

By my count (which includes Kasper Edvinsson Mazur) the Wings would have 16 players signed to start 24-25 with I think 26M left over. 

They could hypothetically give DCat 8 and say someone else 6 and have 12M left for 5 players. Easy peezy no? 

The only way Yguy is quiet is if he thinks nexts year’s UFA crop is slam-dunk better IMO

 

Seems like a good strategy to fix the league’s 2nd worst 5-on-5 offence

Both comments aren't contradictory.

[bIueadams 776]

1 minute ago, diehardredwingsfan58 said:

Yeah that's smart taking Raymond up to free agency, It's either a 3 year bridge or a long term deal. Giving him 4 years takes him straight to free agency. Way too much risk there.

Hey TBL season ticket holder who sits right behind the bench and heard DeAngelo say slurs there. Good to see you again.

You're right. I had it in my head that expiry for RFA was 26. Change Raymond to 3 year term and Berggren to 1.

Happy liar?

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

22 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

We have $56.5 against the cap with an 18 man roster (Kasper + Eddogg + Sodastream + Veleno @ $1.8 mil on the roster)

That's $5.4 available per open roster position.

Certainly a lot of money. But with extensions on the horizon (and assuming Kuba and Perron are sold) we have $61.5 against the cap next year with a 16 man roster (Kasper + Soda + Ed + Veleno still included).

That's $3.14 per position. I'm just saying we should stick to that budget on any deal going beyond 1 year. And of course we can cheap out at some roster spots to use that money on others. 

 

 

Yeah. The way I see it is Yzerman has around 14M to blow on cocaine n hookers or 2 really good players over the next year or two. He just has to pick the best ones. Then get at least above average value out of those 900k to 3M guys, 

At some point though, someone on this current roster, a prospect at the door, or a kid from this years draft really has to explode somehow. Or we fugged, But I digressssss

[bIueadams 776]

1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Yeah. The way I see it is Yzerman has around 14M to blow on cocaine n hookers or 2 really good players over the next year or two. He just has to pick the best ones. Then get at least above average value out of those 900k to 3M guys, 

At some point though, someone on this current roster, a prospect at the door, or a kid from this years draft really has to explode somehow. Or we fugged, But I digressssss

Pretty much. I think we should go all in on 2 wingers (to replace Bertuzzi and Vrana), 1 Dman (to replace Hronek), and 1 budget backup goalie. The other spots 2-4 spots will have to be filled by cheap ass players. 

Grabbing the right guys is essential. 

[Axl Foley 334]

So DeBrincat, Dumba, and Meier or DuBois?

[bIueadams 776]

18 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

So DeBrincat, Dumba, and Meier or DuBois?

No

[F.Michael 4,590]

I’m certain Yzerman will sign TroyDog this summer…

[bIueadams 776]

Troydog kept the flies off

[F.Michael 4,590]

3 minutes ago, bIueadams said:

Troydog kept the flies fleas off

Fixed

[bIueadams 776]

1 minute ago, F.Michael said:

Fixed

Alex Biega >

[LeftWinger 5,133]

Oops wrong thread

Edited June 26, 2023 by LeftWinger

[marcaractac 3,963]

For Raymond, I say overpay a little now to try and lock him up for an 8-year deal that ages like fine wine. 

[Axl Foley 334]

4 hours ago, marcaractac said:

For Raymond, I say overpay a little now to try and lock him up for an 8-year deal that ages like fine wine. 

Doesn't fine wine increase in price as it ages?

[bIueadams 776]

3 minutes ago, Axl Foley said:

Doesn't fine wine increase in price as it ages?

Only Napoleonic wine. The rest turns into vinegar.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

5 hours ago, marcaractac said:

For Raymond, I say overpay a little now to try and lock him up for an 8-year deal that ages like fine wine. 

If we sign Debrincat and Konecny, Raymond might become the new Filip Zadina.  I'd wait to see how he looks with 13 minutes of 2nd and 3rd line / 2nd pp unit ice time before paying him anything.  There's a strong correlation between 14 min of 1st line / 4 min 1st pp unit ice time and scoring.