GDT Ducks @ Red Wings 12/18/23

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I think this is the game where we finally start to right the ship. Been a tough go lately but it happens to the best teams too. But we've gotta get some points back in the bank and here's where it starts. Our physicality should be hard for Anaheim to handle given that they're a team of young guys and skill players. Look for a big game from our bottom six. I like Fabbri for a goal and two assists tonight.

 

LGW!!!

Edited December 18, 2023 by kipwinger

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

Hope you're right ^^

I see the Wings losing a high scoring game in OT tonight. But what do I know. 

[mackel 768]

Has Perron had his appeal yet?? Seems the league is making it stick by delaying the appeal.  If I were the PA, I'd be screaming for a change... the player plays until the appeal is heard, I think MLB does that is I'm not mistaken.

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Helene St. James reporting that the Wings are expecting to have Larkin tonight. Thank god.

12 minutes ago, mackel said:

Has Perron had his appeal yet?? Seems the league is making it stick by delaying the appeal.  If I were the PA, I'd be screaming for a change... the player plays until the appeal is heard, I think MLB does that is I'm not mistaken.

The appeal is mostly about getting him some salary back. There's almost no chance that the appeal will be complete before his suspension is over but he's sacrificing nearly 150K in salary. If the appeal reduces the number of games he'll get money back, but obviously won't sit out fewer games after the fact (from what I understand).

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

Rasmussen needs to take that next step that Veleno has taken.  Veleno is involved / engaged every shift now.  Once we get that out of #27, we will be a tougher team.  Ras just floats out there looking for something to happen.  We need him to make things happen.  He's been the biggest disappointment besides Yzerman signing 3 defensive pylons, imo.

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10 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Rasmussen needs to take that next step that Veleno has taken.  Veleno is involved / engaged every shift now.  Once we get that out of #27, we will be a tougher team.  Ras just floats out there looking for something to happen.  We need him to make things happen.  He's been the biggest disappointment besides Yzerman signing 3 defensive pylons, imo.

The big man is starting to hit his stride. I'd argue Husso and Copp have been marginally more disappointing but that's just me. 

 

39 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Helene St. James reporting that the Wings are expecting to have Larkin tonight. Thank god.

And it appears Lyon is day to day, returning sooner than later. 

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11 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Rasmussen needs to take that next step that Veleno has taken.  Veleno is involved / engaged every shift now.  Once we get that out of #27, we will be a tougher team.  Ras just floats out there looking for something to happen.  We need him to make things happen.  He's been the biggest disappointment besides Yzerman signing 3 defensive pylons, imo.

It's hard to tell whether you're being serious or doing that thing where people on LGW say intentionally obnoxious stuff because they need attention (and dopamine). But in the interest of good faith I'll assume the former and not the latter. Michael Rasmussen has 8 pts in his last 8 games and 9 pts (5 goals) in his last 10 games. He's done it while playing up and down the lineup, center and wing, as well as killing penalties and has even been on the powerplay with Larkin, Compher, and Perron out. He and Veleno have logged the hardest minutes on the team since Larkin was injured and IMO have performed as well as humanly possible. Where's Debrincat? Where's Kane? Where's Seider and Walman (defensively)? Rasmussen a floater? Lol. He's stepped up more than anyone.

3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

And it appears Lyon is day to day, returning sooner than later. 

Now seeing that Lalonde says Larkin will be in the lineup tonight. I'm pumped.

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3 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

It's hard to tell whether you're being serious or doing that thing where people on LGW say intentionally obnoxious stuff because they need attention (and dopamine). But in the interest of good faith I'll assume the former and not the latter. Michael Rasmussen has 8 pts in his last 8 games and 9 pts (5 goals) in his last 10 games. He's done it while playing up and down the lineup, center and wing, as well as killing penalties and has even been on the powerplay with Larkin, Compher, and Perron out. He and Veleno have logged the hardest minutes on the team since Larkin was injured and IMO have performed as well as humanly possible. Where's Debrincat? Where's Kane? Where's Seider and Walman (defensively)? Rasmussen a floater? Lol. He's stepped up more than anyone.

Now seeing that Lalonde says Larkin will be in the lineup tonight. I'm pumped.

Scott wants Ras to be Tom Wilson. Big Ras is not to be held responsible for this cognitive distortion. 

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10 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Scott wants Ras to be Tom Wilson. Big Ras is not to be held responsible for this cognitive distortion. 

I posted this elsewhere, but before his injury last year Rasmussen was scoring as well as Ivan Barbashev (top line power forward on a Cup winning team) did last season and Tom Wilson (top line power forward on a Cup winning team) did in 2018 when Washington won the Cup. And then his kneecap shattered and he was on crutches all offseason long. He's absolutely as good as those guys but it was always gonna take a second to get up to speed. He's doing that now and has been an absolute beast the last 10 games or so. Barring any additional injuries he's going to finish the season strong. Watch.

I think Ras, Veleno, Raymond, and Fabbri have been our best forwards since Compher and Larkin went down. Copp and Fischer get an honorable mention for having to play really really hard minutes as well (they just didn't produce as much). Debrincat has ONE goal in his last ten games. Kane is currently a waste of space. The only reason I'm not losing my mind is because I'm hoping that he's just got a lot of ramping up to do. Before we signed Kane I asked LGW "Is he really better than Berggren at this point". I got scoffed at  but right now the answer is "no". Berggren is a much more dangerous offensively player at the moment and he's MILES ahead in terms of effort and defense. Wanna point fingers at forwards not doing their jobs? I'd start with those two considering they play a ton of minutes, aren't producing, and don't bring anything else to the ice when they're cold.

Edited December 18, 2023 by kipwinger

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1 minute ago, kipwinger said:

I posted this elsewhere, but before his injury last year Rasmussen was scoring as well as Ivan Barbashev (top line power forward on a Cup winning team) did last season and Tom Wilson (top line power forward on a Cup winning team) did in 2018 when Washington won the Cup. And then his kneecap shattered and he was on crutches all offseason long. He's absolutely as good as those guys but it was always gonna take a second to get up to speed. He's doing that now and has been an absolute beast the last 10 games or so. Barring any additional injuries he's going to finish the season strong. Watch.

I think Ras, Veleno, Raymond, and Fabbri have been our best forwards since Compher and Larkin went down. Copp and Fischer get an honorable mention for having to play really really hard minutes as well (they just didn't produce as much). Debrincat has ONE goal in his last ten games. Kane is currently a waste of space. The only reason I'm not losing my mind is because I'm hoping that he's just got a lot of ramping up to do. Before we signed Kane I asked LGW "Is he really better than Berggren at this point". Right now the answer is "no". Berggren is a much more dangerous offensively player at the moment and he's MILES ahead in terms of effort and defense. Wanna point fingers at forwards not doing their jobs? I'd start with those two considering they play a ton of minutes, aren't producing, and don't bring anything else to the ice when they're cold.

Kane is worse than a waste of space. They keep trying to defer to him all the time in the offensive zone. Especially on the power play, and it's messing everything up. I'd be giving Raymond the puck instead. 

[Troy McClure 347]

How many posts and crossbars has Kaner hit? The flood gates are about to open.

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1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Kane is worse than a waste of space. They keep trying to defer to him all the time in the offensive zone. Especially on the power play, and it's messing everything up. I'd be giving Raymond the puck instead. 

I'm not ready to call the Kane experiment "failed" but I'm 100% sure we'd be a better team right now with Berggren in that roster spot, all else being equal. Assuming he's not struggling in the same way that Backstrom was after his return, it's still going to take Kane a while to get up to speed. I don't mind giving him that time when we're winning. But he's not a better player than Berggren right now and when we're losing, down four regular fowards, and can't score we're not in a position to rely on him at the moment.

 

2 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

How many posts and crossbars has Kaner hit? The flood gates are about to open.

I see that too, and I've got my fingers crossed as much as then next guy. But there's also a universe in which his skill and brain allow him to get chances that his body just can't finish anymore. In the meantime we're losing games and have a better (similarly styled) winger in GR doing jack s***.

Personally I'd get Kane out of the top six and off the top powerplay until he's up to speed. I can see him working well with a center that hustles and a winger with some skill. Let him feast on 3rd pair dmen until he's ready for a bigger work load.

Dcat-Larkin-Raymond

Ras-Compher-Berggren

Kane-Veleno-Sprong

Fabbri-Fischer-Perron

Kostin

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2 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I'm not ready to call the Kane experiment "failed" but I'm 100% sure we'd be a better team right now with Berggren in that roster spot, all else being equal. Assuming he's not struggling in the same way that Backstrom was after his return, it's still going to take Kane a while to get up to speed. I don't mind giving him that time when we're winning. But he's not a better player than Berggren right now and when we're losing, down four regular fowards, and can't score we're not in a position to rely on him at the moment.

 

I see that too, and I've got my fingers crossed as much as then next guy. But there's also a universe in which his skill and brain allow him to get chances that his body just can't finish anymore. In the meantime we're losing games and have a better (similarly styled) winger in GR doing jack s***.

Personally I'd get Kane out of the top six and off the top powerplay until he's up to speed. I can see him working well with a center that hustles and a winger with some skill. Let him feast on 3rd pair dmen until he's ready for a bigger work load.

Dcat-Larkin-Raymond

Ras-Compher-Berggren

Kane-Veleno-Sprong

Fabbri-Fischer-Perron

Kostin

No one in the Wings org has the Torts Balls to put Kane on the 3rd line tho

[Troy McClure 347]

10 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I'm not ready to call the Kane experiment "failed" but I'm 100% sure we'd be a better team right now with Berggren in that roster spot, all else being equal. Assuming he's not struggling in the same way that Backstrom was after his return, it's still going to take Kane a while to get up to speed. I don't mind giving him that time when we're winning. But he's not a better player than Berggren right now and when we're losing, down four regular fowards, and can't score we're not in a position to rely on him at the moment.

 

I see that too, and I've got my fingers crossed as much as then next guy. But there's also a universe in which his skill and brain allow him to get chances that his body just can't finish anymore. In the meantime we're losing games and have a better (similarly styled) winger in GR doing jack s***.

Personally I'd get Kane out of the top six and off the top powerplay until he's up to speed. I can see him working well with a center that hustles and a winger with some skill. Let him feast on 3rd pair dmen until he's ready for a bigger work load.

Dcat-Larkin-Raymond

Ras-Compher-Berggren

Kane-Veleno-Sprong

Fabbri-Fischer-Perron

Kostin

I'm not of the opinion that Beggren is any better than Kane, and I don't agree Kane is in "his" spot. Beggren wasn't on this team long before Kane. I like Bergs, he's talented, but he's losing his spot to guys like Fischer, Reese, and Czarnik, because he's at the end of the day a soft euro forward in need of sheltering. He's getting that in the AHL. He's like Hirose+

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28 minutes ago, Troy McClure said:

I'm not of the opinion that Beggren is any better than Kane, and I don't agree Kane is in "his" spot. Beggren wasn't on this team long before Kane. I like Bergs, he's talented, but he's losing his spot to guys like Fischer, Reese, and Czarnik, because he's at the end of the day a soft euro forward in need of sheltering. He's getting that in the AHL. He's like Hirose+

My point is that with the same usage and same minutes Berggren will score more than Kane right now. Why do I think so? Because he just outscored Kane during his call up and his linemates were Zach Aston Reese and Austin Czarnik. Right now it's pretty clear Kane needs sheltered. He's not competitive off the puck and he isn't scoring. I'd argue that in the short term Berggren would do more with the same deployment because...well...he's already done more with less. It's not like Kane is Veleno and if he's not scoring he's doing 20 other things to help the team win. He's not and he doesn't. Shelter him, get him up to speed, and then use him in bigger minutes if he can handle them. I'm not 100% sure we're out of the woods yet with respect to Kane not ending up like Backstrom. He's looked decent at times, and you hope he keeps improving, but right now he's doing nothing on the ice to help the team win games. You know who else hits a lot of posts? Kostin. You don't see anyone arguing that he should be in the top six.

1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

No one in the Wings org has the Torts Balls to put Kane on the 3rd line tho

I'm at a loss with lines but here are a few things I do know.

1. Debrincat can't score without Larkin.

2. Kane isn't contributing in top six minutes.

3. Raymond deserves top line deployment but is effective elsewhere, unlike the other two.

4. Ras can handle top six minutes on the wing.

Doesn't really leave us with many options but those were the premises I built the previously posted lines on. Lalonde (with the blessing of SY) needs to communicate to Kane that he's going to the 3rd line to get ramped up. Follow through with a promotion if he picks up his play. If he doesn't? Who cares if a non-effective player is unhappy. Cya.

Edited December 18, 2023 by kipwinger

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Jimmy Howard looks like his transformation into Santa Claus is about 11% complete. Holy smokes.

Edited December 18, 2023 by kipwinger

[kipwinger 8,772]

Take a look at the size of Howard's fingers. He looks like his gall bladder or kidneys or something doesn't work. Like, this dude looks like he's got some weird s*** like Hashimodo's disease or something.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

Howard is the guy you want with you if youre traversing Donner's pass.

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6 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Howard is the guy you want with you if youre traversing Donner's pass.

You wouldn't need to eat each other. Howard looks like the kind of guy that can smell his way to food.

[Motor City Mullets 315]

15 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

Take a look at the size of Howard's fingers. He looks like his gall bladder or kidneys or something doesn't work. Like, this dude looks like he's got some weird s*** like Hashimodo's disease or something.

He's wearing his gear under the suit.

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Just now, Motor City Mullets said:

He's wearing his gear under the suit.

LOL!!! Howard's the ebug tonight and he's the kind of guy that always comes to the rink prepared to play haha.

[stephen-gregory-yzerman 142]

Lalondes line structure

L-L-L

R-R-R

L-L-L

L-R-R

wtf? Split up the Ls and Rs ffs.

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Klim Kostin is really good. I hope we keep this guy around. He gives me big Val Nichushkin vibes.

[Scott R Lucidi 675]

Chiarot = -2

Petry = -2

 

But how can we get by with Edvinsson in the line up?  No way he's ready. 

This coach is so much less inspiring than Torts.  Wish we had John behind our bench.  He wouldn't put up with this amateur level of intensity.

[Motor City Mullets 315]

Great start...Blashill would be proud.