2024 Offseason Thread

[marcaractac 3,963]

3 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I really liked Husso two years ago. But again, if they upgrade I'm not going to throw a fit.

I genuinely don't understand the Stamkos love around here. He's not good. He's the Erik Karlsson of forwards. He's going to get paid a bunch to score on the powerplay and be an absolute liability at even strength. He plays on a team with a +21 goal differential and he's a -22. He's scored 39 even strength points (that's Rasmussen level production) and has been scored on 61 times at even strength. You put him on a line with Kane and you're basically handing the opposition goals. And you're going to pay a premium to do it.

He's not JUST being let go because of the cap. He's being let go because he's expensive AND he needs to be heavily sheltered in order to produce.

They have had no depth until trade deadline and have had s*** goaltending for half the season. Point is a minus player as well. Kucherov is only +10 despite scoring over 140 points. I don't buy for one single second that he needs to be sheltered to produce. That whole team struggled for many stretches this season. Not gonna ding him over an outlier minus season. 

While I agree some may overrated him, I think you are underrating him. I don't see him as some saviour, but merely an addition of legit top 6 scoring on a short term deal if one were to be reached. 

I'd still rather sign Guentzel either way. 

[Scott R Lucidi 464]

1 hour ago, marcaractac said:

They have had no depth until trade deadline and have had s*** goaltending for half the season. Point is a minus player as well. Kucherov is only +10 despite scoring over 140 points. I don't buy for one single second that he needs to be sheltered to produce. That whole team struggled for many stretches this season. Not gonna ding him over an outlier minus season. 

While I agree some may overrated him, I think you are underrating him. I don't see him as some saviour, but merely an addition of legit top 6 scoring on a short term deal if one were to be reached. 

I'd still rather sign Guentzel either way. 

I think the thing all of us fans have to do is be realistic about what CAN be done.  For me, I don't think you can just trade goalies away that are sucking up salary and on the injured reserve list.  And if you could, you'd have to give up way too much to make it worth your while.  What you CAN do is be smart about the situation and use the rules of the league to your advantage.  Have HUSSO recoup all next year on LTIR and come back with 5-10 games left in the season.  POOF - Presto.  Husso only costs you 250,000K against your cap hit.  No reason to let Tampa, Boston, Carolina, Florida, Colorado, ETC ETC ETC circumvent the salary cap and not take advantage of it.  Put Husso on LTIR through next April 1st, and use the 4.5 mil on Kane.  Use a combo of Lyon/Reimer/Cossa next season through to the playoffs, then bring Husso back in for Lyon/Husso/Reimer/Cossa playoff run for Detroit/Grand Rapids.  Go after a goalie at the trade deadline of 2025 UFA if one becomes available that's a better option than Husso/Lyon.

Now to the defense - Chiarot and Petry aren't going anywhere.  We cannot play Chiarot with Seider for 2 more years and Petry with Edvinsson for next year.  These guys are making a mess of things with a couple of really good defensemen.  These guys are the reason we're in a mess right now barely surviving to make the playoffs and not 10-20 pts clear of the wild card.  Had YzerSCAM locked up Lindholm for 12 million a year instead of Chiarot, Petry, Gost, Holl, and Maata for 17 mil a year, we'd be having a completely different conversation.  But spilt milk under the bridge at this point.  Simple solution - Ditch Sprong and Perron and move Petry and Chiarot to the 4th line with Veleno until we're free of their contracts.  Makes room for better defensemen and gives us in-game help in case defensemen go down.  This is probably the best idea i've ever had as a Wings fan.

Berggren - Larkin - Raymond

Debrincat - Danielson - Kane

Rasmussen - Copp - Compher

Chiarot - Venelo - Petry

Fischer/Mazur

Edvinsson-Seider

Johannson-ASP

Gostisbehere-Maatta

Holl

Lyon

Reimer

 

Is it a stretch to bring Danielson/Kasper up to play 2nd line center with Debrincat and Kane?

Is it a stretch to move Chiarot and Petry to the 4th line?

Is it a stretch to have Johansson and ASP on the 2nd pairing?

Most of the LGW community seems to balk at these kind of things and say "so and so isn't ready".  Come on.  Ready for what?  Who isn't ready to replace Perron's 12 even strength points?  Who isn't ready to score 20 points with Veleno on the 4th line playing 8 minutes a night?  Who isn't ready to replace Chiarot and Petry's .38 Corsi For Percentages?  

IMO, these are all moves we CAN make and benefit immediately from.  The "Sign Stamkos" type of arguments are pointless to me.  A) It would be hard to lure the player away and into our situation.  B) YzerSCAM is cheap and prefers quantity over quality.  Gotta know what to expect out of him.

[Jimmybigrigs69 58]

2 hours ago, kipwinger said:

 

You and I have very different ideas of what should happen this offseason. The LAST thing I want is more expensive 30+ year old free agents. You look at all the bright spots for us this season and it's clear the the future is now with respect to the youth. The ONLY UFAs I'd look at are guys that you can get on reasonable deals (Matt Roy). Otherwise I'm bringing in as many young guys as I can to take advantage of their entry level deals. I'm trading for 25 year old Yegor Sharangovich to play 2C, and I'm probably running back Husso/Lyon with two caveats, 1) we've got the cap space to upgrade at the deadline (or earlier) if we need to, and 2) a full season of Walman, Seider, Edvinsson, Roy in the top four such an upgrade that Husso/Lyon hopefully won't get exposed.

 

Dcat-Larkin-Mazur (Debrincat comes alive when he's with Larkin)

Kasper-Sharangovich-Raymond (Raymond can carry a line and his playmaking will pop with Yegor)

Ras-Compher-Fabbri (utility line)

Veleno-Copp-Fischer (matchup line)

 

Walman-Seider

Edvinsson-Roy

Chiarot-Gost (this bottom pair is just a placeholder and is determined by who's re-signed/traded)

Johansson

 

 

 

 

LA fans are expecting Roy to ink something at 5.5 to 6.5 with term. That could become a mistake pretty quickly. I sooner just replace Gostisbhere with Edvidsson and wait a year for Petry to retire. Then take inventory of the defense at that stage.

1 hour ago, marcaractac said:

They have had no depth until trade deadline and have had s*** goaltending for half the season. Point is a minus player as well. Kucherov is only +10 despite scoring over 140 points. I don't buy for one single second that he needs to be sheltered to produce. That whole team struggled for many stretches this season. Not gonna ding him over an outlier minus season. 

While I agree some may overrated him, I think you are underrating him. I don't see him as some saviour, but merely an addition of legit top 6 scoring on a short term deal if one were to be reached. 

I'd still rather sign Guentzel either way. 

Stamkos is a great player, not a PP specialist, would love to have him. But I think he will get a team friendly deal done with Tampa and retire a bolt. 

[Scott R Lucidi 464]

18 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

LA fans are expecting Roy to ink something at 5.5 to 6.5 with term. That could become a mistake pretty quickly. I sooner just replace Gostisbhere with Edvidsson and wait a year for Petry to retire. Then take inventory of the defense at that stage.

Stamkos is a great player, not a PP specialist, would love to have him. But I think he will get a team friendly deal done with Tampa and retire a bolt. 

Well said

[LeftWinger 4,965]

somehow rid ourselves of Chiarot and Holl. Waive Petry. Buyout Husso.

Ghost will re-sign along with Kane and Perron, maybe Fischer.

Trade Veleno and Fabbri, let Sprong walk.

[LeftWinger 4,965]

We'll be drafting 15th. Trade it. Upgrade the ******* D!

[mackel 687]

6 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

somehow rid ourselves of Chiarot and Holl. Waive Petry. Buyout Husso.

Ghost will re-sign along with Kane and Perron, maybe Fischer.

Trade Veleno and Fabbri, let Sprong walk.

Perron needs to be let go.  Sign Ghost for 4 years max, Fischer is like a Styrofoam packing nugget useful but infinitely replaceable.

We need to get a physical shutdown defenseman and a clearcut 1A goalie.  Keep Lyon as his back up, transition Cossa in as backup and then starter with who ever the 1A is.

Yzerman has to be really, really careful with Ray and Mo on their contracts... he's got to go long term and not grind too hard.  If either opts for a bridge our cap structure is in serious trouble long term.

[Jimmybigrigs69 58]

35 minutes ago, mackel said:

Perron needs to be let go.  Sign Ghost for 4 years max, Fischer is like a Styrofoam packing nugget useful but infinitely replaceable.

We need to get a physical shutdown defenseman and a clearcut 1A goalie.  Keep Lyon as his back up, transition Cossa in as backup and then starter with who ever the 1A is.

Yzerman has to be really, really careful with Ray and Mo on their contracts... he's got to go long term and not grind too hard.  If either opts for a bridge our cap structure is in serious trouble long term.

Respectfully disagree on ghost. And I find it strange you want to sign the worst softest defender on the team, but also want a physical shutdown Dman. 

Newsy only deploys Ghost on the PP and in the Ozone. The kid should have been a forward, because he's not even trusted with neutral zone defensive duties. 

Paying a 3rd pair PP man 5 million dollars is not something we can afford to do anymore next year, let alone the next 4. 

[Scott R Lucidi 464]

8 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

somehow rid ourselves of Chiarot and Holl. Waive Petry. Buyout Husso.

Ghost will re-sign along with Kane and Perron, maybe Fischer.

Trade Veleno and Fabbri, let Sprong walk.

Newsflash - Holl was GOOD this year.  Had we played him with Edvinsson instead of CHIAROT TRASH AND PETRY TRASH, we'd be playoff bound 

[Jimmybigrigs69 58]

3 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Newsflash - Holl was GOOD this year.  Had we played him with Edvinsson instead of CHIAROT TRASH AND PETRY TRASH, we'd be playoff bound 

I can't remember the last time Holl even played. 

[Scott R Lucidi 464]

1 hour ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Respectfully disagree on ghost. And I find it strange you want to sign the worst softest defender on the team, but also want a physical shutdown Dman. 

Newsy only deploys Ghost on the PP and in the Ozone. The kid should have been a forward, because he's not even trusted with neutral zone defensive duties. 

Paying a 3rd pair PP man 5 million dollars is not something we can afford to do anymore next year, let alone the next 4. 

Yah, Gost has to come at 3 mil or less a season, or he needs to go.  After he was given his talk and paired with Maata, he gave us a great last 30 games.  I think youre being a bit hard on him, tbh.  First 50 games Goat definitely sucked defensively.  But he put together a very responsible end to the season.  All of the 4 or 5 bad ones Maatta and Gost gave up were from bad pinches.  They rarely got cycled long and hard on like TRASH CHIAROT AND TRASH PETRY.

[Jimmybigrigs69 58]

1 minute ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Yah, Gost has to come at 3 mil or less a season, or he needs to go.  After he was given his talk and paired with Maata, he gave us a great last 30 games.  I think youre being a bit hard on him, tbh.  First 50 games Goat definitely sucked defensively.  But he put together a very responsible end to the season.  All of the 4 or 5 bad ones Maatta and Gost gave up were from bad pinches.  They rarely got cycled long and hard on like TRASH CHIAROT AND TRASH PETRY.

Are you schizophrenic?

[Scott R Lucidi 464]

7 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I can't remember the last time Holl even played. 

Yah, it was 15 or so games ago for 1 game.  And he was good in it.  He finished a plus 7 and highest corsi for our of out defense with 50/50 zone start time.  Wtf do people want out of a 3rd pairing 3 million dollar guy?  I hate how our fans completely step over and ignore the gushing wound in TRASH CHIAROT AND TRASH PETRY, and say stupid things like we need to get rid of a guy that the coach benched the whole year for good play.

4 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Are you schizophrenic?

TRASH CHIAROT AND TRASH PETRY are gettingscoredonophrenic.

Edited April 17 by Scott R Lucidi

[Jimmybigrigs69 58]

2 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Yah, it was 15 or so games ago for 1 game.  And he was good in it.  He finished a plus 7 and highest corsi for our of our defense with 50/50 zone start time.  Wtf do people want out of a 3rd pairing 3 million dollar guy?  I hate how our fans completely step over and ignore the gushing would in TRASH CHIAROT AND TRASH PETRY, and say stupid things like we need to get rid of a guy that the coach benched the whole year for good play.

Justin Holl has never finished plus 7

[Scott R Lucidi 464]

16 minutes ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

Justin Holl has never finished plus 7

https://www.nhl.com/redwings/player/justin-holl-8475718

 

+8. Sorry.

[Jimmybigrigs69 58]

17 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

https://www.nhl.com/redwings/player/justin-holl-8475718

 

+8. Sorry.

And Ghost is -16 but you want to re-sign him

[Dabura 12,207]

I hate that I'm saying this, because this is the one thing I really didn't want to be saying at season's end...

...but...

...Carley Johnston really is not aging well.

...I fear this rebuild still has a long, long way to go.

Larkin's a good 1C. Raymond could be an 80-point scorer next season. Seider's Seider. Edvinsson can, at the very least, log big minutes (which, if nothing else, should help Seider). DeBrincat proved his critics right this season, which blows, and I'm just glad Yzerman inisisted on a short deal for him.

DeBrincat aside, these are positives.

But...is that all we have in terms of tangible right-here-right-now Cup window core talent? Because...uhh...it's kinda feeling like it is, no? At least for the next two or three or four or five years. (So - the rest of Larkin's prime.)

I've joked about Kasper and Danielson being ten years away, but, honestly, they might as well be. I don't see anyone in our pipeline being a big-time impact NHLer within the next two years.

"ASP's going to be an absolute monster, bro."

Yeah OK but when? He'll be in the SHL for another season and then he'll spend two seasons in the AHL learning the NA game and then he'll spend three years learning the NHL game and by then we'll all be dead.

I'm dooming, I know. Apologies. I'm actually not even all that worked up about what happened tonight and how this season went to hell.

And you know what? Maybe that's the real reason I'm dooming. It's upsetting to me that I'm not upset. That I don't actually care all that much. Because it means we've been adrift for too long.

I don't want Lalonde back next season, but he'll be back next season. Getting 91 points out of this flawed roster is a respectable accomplishment. But I do think he kinda sucks. There's not a single thing I can point to and say "Now that's one area he's really improved, and I don't think another coach could do that the way he's done that." And there's lots of things I can point to and say "That's a bad habit that was there all season and still there in Game 82."

Larkin, Raymond, Seider are golden. Jury's out on whether Edvinsson really lives up to his potential. We won't know for - wait for it - another two or three or more seasons.

Perron can stay as a player-coach fourth-liner, I guess.

Sprong showed why he's Sprong; I wouldn't miss him.

The D group is just sad. It really is.

We don't have a legit starting goaltender.

The Patrick Kane Experience was fun, but I've kinda done a 180 on him over the past couple weeks. He took a lotta penalties in these last few must-win games. His hip may be OK now, but he's old and slow and if he's not scoring clutch goals in must-win games, then give the minutes and money to someone who can do that.

I have to poop, so that's all for now.

Edited April 17 by Dabura

[Jimmybigrigs69 58]

6 minutes ago, Dabura said:

I hate that I'm saying this, because this is the one thing I really didn't want to be saying at season's end...

...but...

...Carley Johnston really is not aging well.

...I fear this rebuild still has a long, long way to go.

Larkin's a good 1C. Raymond could be an 80-point scorer next season. Seider's Seider. Edvinsson can, at the very least, log big minutes (which, if nothing else, should help Seider). DeBrincat proved his critics right this season, which blows, and I'm just glad Yzerman inisisted on a short deal for him.

DeBrincat aside, these are positives.

But...is that all we have in terms of tangible right-here-right-now Cup window core talent? Because...uhh...it's kinda feeling like it is, no? At least for the next two or three or four or five years. (So - the rest of Larkin's prime.)

I've joked about Kasper and Danielson being ten years away, but, honestly, they might as well be. I don't see anyone in our pipeline being a big-time impact NHLer within the next two years.

"ASP's going to be an absolute monster, bro."

Yeah OK but when? He'll be in the SHL for another season and then he'll spend two seasons in the AHL learning the NA game and then he'll spend three years learning the NHL game and by then we'll all be dead.

I'm dooming, I know. Apologies. I'm actually not even all that worked up about what happened tonight and how this season went to hell.

And you know what? Maybe that's the real reason I'm dooming. It's upsetting to me that I'm not upset. That I don't actually care all that much. Because it means we've been adrift for too long.

I don't want Lalonde back next season, but he'll be back next season. Getting 91 points out of this flawed roster is a respectable accomplishment. But I do think he kinda sucks. There's not a single thing I can point to and say "Now that's one area he's really improved, and I don't think another coach could do that the way he's done that." And there's lots of things I can point to and say "That's a bad habit that was there all season and still there in Game 82."

Larkin, Raymond, Seider are golden. Jury's out on whether Edvinsson really lives up his potential. We won't know for - wait for it - another two or three or more seasons.

Perron can stay as a player-coach fourth-liner, I guess.

Sprong showed why he's Sprong; I wouldn't miss him.

The D group is just sad. It really is.

We don't have a legit starting goaltender.

The Patrick Kane Experience was fun, but I've kinda done a 180 on him over the past couple weeks. He took a lotta penalties in these last few must-win games. His hip may be OK now, but he's old and slow and if he's not scoring clutch goals in must-win games, then give the minutes and money to someone who can do that.

I have to poop, so that's all for now.

Agree with all except ASP. He will be an NHLer very soon. 

[LeftWinger 4,965]

I only mention Holl because he's taking up cap and a roster spot. If he's not going to play ever, then get something for him.

[Jimmybigrigs69 58]

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

I only mention Holl because he's taking up cap and a roster spot. If he's not going to play ever, then get something for him.

I think he's a buyout

[Scott R Lucidi 464]

7 hours ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

And Ghost is -16 but you want to re-sign him

Tale of 2 seasons.  First 50 games he was abysmal despite the points.  Last 30 games he was rock solid.

[LeftWinger 4,965]

1 hour ago, Jimmybigrigs69 said:

I think he's a buyout

2 years? That'll be 4 on the books. We need to try and get Chychrun and then a package of Andersson and Markstrom. We can re-sign Reimer as a 3rd string again, he performed admirably last night, and through a lot of games. 

[Jimmybigrigs69 58]

1 hour ago, LeftWinger said:

2 years? That'll be 4 on the books. We need to try and get Chychrun and then a package of Andersson and Markstrom. We can re-sign Reimer as a 3rd string again, he performed admirably last night, and through a lot of games. 

Pass on Reimer and his bigoted attitudes. IMO I doubt CGY will want to move Andersson, and if I was a betting man CGY and NJD will circle back on the Markstrom deal this summer and git er done.

We will probably have to give up at least a 2nd or more to move Holl if El Captain doesn't have the stomach to buy him out. Really bad contract on his part...

I think ditching Holl and signing Matt Roy is all the defense needs. Run: Walman-Seider, Edvinsson-Roy, Chiarot-Petry, 7th=Maata.

Husso is the real enigma. I don't see a clear path. If there's a trade that moves him out and a better goalie in, it will be costly, but maybe necessary. Stevie could also gamble on a bounce back year, and Cossa as the 3rd string. Whatever happens, keep calm and trust the yzerplan!

Kane will likely depart for a cup contender. I'm thinking Perron will stick around. He's been a great leader and vet and we need that still. Sprong and Fischer should be shown the door. They can be replaced internally with Berggren, Mazur, Kasper, and Soderblom. These 4 need to join the bottom6 and begin their training in the wheel. No need for any UFA forwards please and thank you!

Edited April 17 by Jimmybigrigs69

[LeftWinger 4,965]

and so the off season begins!

 

[Jimmybigrigs69 58]

3 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

and so the off season begins!

 

Now draft his brother Draper!