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#2529391 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by Son of a Wing on 02 July 2014 - 10:45 AM

 

You're right. Abdelkader, Glendenning, and Miller in rotating top 6 roles has cup written all over it (despite the fact all 3 would barely make the 4th line on most teams). 

 

We have some shining stars and glimmers of bright spots don't get me wrong, but the majority of our roster is an AHL team, plain and simple. Instead of finishing in the middle and possible BARELY squeezing in the playoffs just to get embarrassed, which accomplishes absolutely nothing, why not hope for a bottom finish and look forward to a high pick and org changes?

Now there's something to get excited about. 

 

How are Glendenning and Miller in rotating top 6 roles?? You realize forward depth is one of our strengths right?

 

Just because we didn't land a top defenceman doesn't turn half our roster into an AHL squad....

 

I'm as disappointed as anyone but some of you guys need a serious reality check...




#2519615 So what do we have to trade?

Posted by Richdg on 07 May 2014 - 02:20 PM

Howard isn't going anywhere and this is key, he is a better g than Miller is at this point in their careers. Miller playing on a better team sucked in the PO's. Howard had much better numbers vs the NHL's best team. Howard is not the issue. Our sucky D and yes his injuries were the issues this year.




#2494522 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by number9 on 11 March 2014 - 08:13 PM

 

I think you have lofty expectations.  Legwand has reached 60+ points in a season only once, and that was 8 seasons ago.  At age 33/34, do you expect him to suddenly get so much better?  And Franzen has never reached 60 points in a season in his entire career.

The word "could" does not mean I expect anything

Legwand has also been on pace for 60+ three separate seasons, and has never played in a system with good wingers until now. Franzen has been on pace for over 60 twice and is on pace for 70+ right now. So yeah it's something that "could" happen, especially if all this bad injury juju stops




#2492310 3/6 GDT: Avs 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) Sorry Nick.

Posted by HockeytownRules19 on 06 March 2014 - 11:05 PM

Oh my god guys relax... You do know we are back in 8th with games in hand on everyone chasing us... Also 5 pts back of TOR with 2 games in hand and 4 pts back of TB with a game in hand.

 

Chill!




#2491704 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by wingsfan91 on 06 March 2014 - 02:07 PM

I think the only way to rationalize a trade is to look at it from 2 different approaches:

 

1. The current value of the player as an asset to his team. (defined by: NHL production, Tangible stats, Chemistry with other players.. ETC)

2. The potential value of the player as a long term asset to his team. (defined by: AHL/CHL/KHL production, Potential, Age, Skillset)

 

In the case of Calle Jarnkrok, you identify a player who had virtually no value to the Detroit Red Wings as a current asset. As Ken Holland stated, he was never going to make this team while Datysuk, Zetterberg, Weiss, Helm, Andersson and Glendenning were playing ahead of him. And based on his physical tools, we was never going to make this team as 3rd/4th line Center either - meaning he would have had to play in a top 6 Center role (although I am unsure of his ability to play either wing) which wasn't going to happen anytime soon.

 

As a long term asset, he would have continued to be affected by playing in an organization with a deep pool of players in front of him (at the same position) - that fact on its own brings substance to the idea of him playing in Europe. The problem for the Red Wings was continuing to limit his value as a long term asset by keeping him in the minors at the age of 22,23,24.. etc. Collaterally, you are limiting his "trade bait" potential by doing so. So while you are banking on him being a very good top 6 player one day, it also makes sense to maximize his long term value through trade.

 

Although I admit the returns for Vanek, Gaborik, Luongo and Moulson seemed to actually be less than what we traded for Legwand - the trade becomes a very good deal if David Legwand decides to re-sign in Detroit. Eaves is a healthy scratch right now and was gone in July, this years (mid-late) second round pick comes in a weak draft, and Jarnkrok has yet to play a shift in the NHL. David Legwand has had what I consider to be "deflated stats" playing in Nashville's system and can provide right now what Jarnkrok scouts think he might be able to provide one day.

 

Time will tell, but don't write off a guy who's been to the playoffs 22 years in a row, he may know more than we do.




#2491683 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Dave on 06 March 2014 - 01:18 PM

 

Sorry, I was under the impression that checkers/grinders are way easier to come by than bonafide skilled centers.

 

Silly me. 

 

NHL players are harder to come by than AHL players.




#2491606 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by DickieDunn on 06 March 2014 - 10:19 AM

Let's try this again.

 

Legwand is not a scrub, nor is he necessarily just a rental.

 

Jarnkrok hasn't proven anything and lots of prospects who are "for sure going to be great" never make it.  "Can't miss" prospects miss all the time.  Jarnkrok wasn't even a can't miss prospect.

 

They didn't trade Datsyuk or Zetterberg.  They traded a prospect.  Breathe.

 

How many good prospects that Holland has traded have done anything?  Fleishchmann.  If holland was willing to trade Jarnkrok for Legwand, he had a good reason.

 

What makes more sense, there was some truth to the Brynas rumors, or Holland traded a guy he thought would make it in the NHL in a panic move?

 

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#2491220 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by Shinzaki on 05 March 2014 - 06:53 PM

Legwand is a solid two-way center..a proven NHL commodity.  The fact that he waived an NTC to come here is an indication that he's open to resigning.   Jarnkrok is a prospect...a good, not great, prospect.  If you're lucky he becomes a top 6 forward.   Be nice to have that 2nd/3rd round pick, but  we need a C now, not in 2018.   I think we just did Eaves a favor by shipping him out so he can have a better shot at getting signed somewhere next year, so I'm not factoring him into the deal.

 

If Legwand bolts after this season and Jarnkrok adds 20 lbs and becomes a 2nd line C in the next couple of years...I'll look back and curse Kenny Holland for his foolishness.   But....I don't think Legwand is leaving, I have no idea if Jarnkrok has the physical and mental capacity to max out his potential (a hot month or so in the AHL doesn't prove anything) and I have no idea who we're missing out on in the draft.  Might be Tomas Tatar, might be Jan Mursak...who knows?

 

I value making the playoffs...we were supposed to be four and out last spring but we wound up in the second round and were a bounce of the puck from making the conference finals.  Legwand  gives us a better shot of making it than Jarnkrok would have this season...and if he signs next season and probably the season after that.  So...count me as one of those people who like the deal.




#2446447 Coaching Error

Posted by Opie on 20 October 2013 - 09:32 AM

[Sarcasm] I can not believe this team is not going undefeated GRRRRRRRRR [/sarcasm]

 

Seriously, it is one game against the Coyotes, after just beating arguably the best team in this infant season.

 

Bab's overrated?????? It is hard to be overrated when you are in fact one of, if not, the best coach in the sport.

 

All coaches make decisions that work or don't and judging them purely in hindsight is great for you reactionary, knee jerk,  arm chair quarterback post, but in real life, it was one game of 82. Monster has not proven he can take the reigns over, Jimmy has proven he is the netminder of the future, you put him back in because if you don't how else does he go from cold to warm to hot?

 

Much like a call to the Bullpen in baseball, when the player fails to perform it was a bad coaching decision, the player performs and it is his success, not the coach.

 

Oh we beat the Avs with Monster in net and Sammy in the box, lets play the entire rest of the season that way, I mean hey it worked for one game why not all of them, amiright! 




#2431803 Red Wings popularity in Detroit/Michigan

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 29 July 2013 - 12:26 PM

What's wrong with hockey being a white sport? Every sport has a main audience, hockey survived just fine by being a niche sport for a small target group and places with special weather conditions. The problems of the past were trying to put hockey into markets which don't support it. Another problem is the NHL is so focused on supporting non fans and questionable destinations by sacrificing people who are already fans and keeping great owners from icing the best possible roster.The Wings even with a great team might not be as popular as the lions but I think they would at least be a bigger draw then they are right now. As a fan I really hope the move to the east will help in terms of sellouts and regain some of the lost magic,


Comments like that are the reason hockey is viewed as a racist sport in general.
You have To grow the market, to where were not talking about which teams will have to be relocated, or all the revenue sharing that helped cause the second lockout in the last two cba discussions.

More people into the sport, more funding for the sport, at all levels.
Especially the u.s. and I don't know about you but I'd live to have more elite talent come from the states for gold medals and a point of pride.


#2429311 Bruins Re-Sign Rask for 8yr, 7m AAV

Posted by VM1138 on 10 July 2013 - 06:08 PM

I really don't think any goalie is worth more than 6 million on a short term contract.  They're just not needed to be as good and they're too inconsistent as a whole.  Or maybe the money doesn't matter as much as the term.  No goalie should be signed for more than four (five max) years.




#2429018 Holland on SiriusXM w/ audio link

Posted by VM1138 on 09 July 2013 - 01:39 PM

So what if they have fighters? Who is going to fight them? As for being tough, that doesn't automatically override skill.

People need to stop worrying. They probably won't even play their goons against us because we aren't a cheap shot team. And you can't stop Chara from doing what he does. People need to stop worrying. The Wings have played and beaten tough teams before


#2422487 17yr old hockey player charged for on-ice assault.

Posted by FlashyG on 26 June 2013 - 04:22 PM

School of thought #1 is utterly idiotic.

 

Committing an unsportsmanlike penalty doesn't warrant what happened to that kid. He also didn't "not defend himself" he was never given any opportunity to.

 

Its not like the guy came up and challenged him to a fight, he threw a crosscheck to the side of the head of a defenceless player, then proceeded to give him a beating while he was already likely concussed. The guy was likely angry that his team was getting smoked and he was looking to exact some revenge from the first player who stepped out of line.

 

I think the charge was absolutely warranted and I don't think the league gave him even close to a sufficient punishment. That the Woodstock player was suspended at all is a joke, but I wouldn't be upset if the Brantford player was given a permanent ban from minor hockey.

 

There is no room in the game for that kind of cowardly garbage.




#2417781 Visors Required - New NHL Players in '13-'14

Posted by toby91_ca on 05 June 2013 - 08:24 AM

No Hit League

NCL N o C hoice L eague

 

grown up men being told what to wear lmao this league is becoming m,ore and more of a big fat joke.

I don't really mean much offense by this, but you are exhibiting a clear lack of understanding of all the factors at play here.

 

Firstly, this doesn't happen if the Players Association didn't agree to it...they did.

 

Secondly, if the players were to play for free and waive 100% liability of anyone involved (rink, team, league, etc.), then sure, no one would care, let the guy do what he wants.  HOWEVER, that is not the case.  The players are being paid very significant amounts of money, teams want to protect their investments and rightfully so.  Someone might say they shouldn't care, they have insurance, but that just saves them a bit of money in the future should something happen....it doesn't give them the player back.  Also, if everyone was wearing visors, I'm sure their insurance premiums would decrease.

 

I'm sorry, but the extreme short-sighted views that grown men should be able to decide (it's their life) annoys me to no end.




#2408843 Unsung Hero....Colaiacovo?

Posted by VM1138 on 21 May 2013 - 10:21 AM

He's always been a good player. People just irrationally translated his injury history as meaning he is a bad player.

I hope he stays around. Obviously with his history we can't rely on him, but it's good to have him for insurance.