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#1917356 Ovie Suspended

Posted by Carman on 16 March 2010 - 04:45 PM

Rule 21.1 - Match Penalties
A match penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who deliberately attempts to injure an opponent in any manner.


That's not how it is interpreted.

I agree the hit should be banned, but until the NHL creates a rule barring headshots there is nothing Campbell can do.

If you want to interpret that rule "In any manner", then say good bye to Kronwall open ice hits. That was put in place to add discipline to hits that in the rulebook are deemed to be illegal and have caused an injury. That rule was not put in place to counter legal checks that for lack of a better word were "too hard".


#1917351 Ovie Suspended

Posted by Carman on 16 March 2010 - 04:15 PM

Maybe it was the obvious attempt to injure?

Attempt to Injure
(Match Penalty)
A player who receives a match penalty is ejected. A match penalty is imposed for deliberately injuring or attempting to injure another player. If a match penalty is imposed the offending player is automatically suspended from the next game their team plays, and often face a hearing with the possibility of a lengthier ban.


Intent to injure is only used when the original act is illegal.


#1917324 Is Datsyuk a lock for the Selke?

Posted by Carman on 16 March 2010 - 03:49 PM

its typical you would say that, and you are obviously flame baiting. crosbys +/- is nothing special, and he has 30 more giveaways than takeaways. also faceoffs has almost no weight in Selke contention. ovechkin would likely win before crosby. BTW crosby sucks.


Glad you could post constructively.

Someone asked who other contenders could be. Really Kesler + Datsyuk are so far ahead of anyone there really isn't a obvious pick.

Just calm down. It's just text.


#1917306 Is Datsyuk a lock for the Selke?

Posted by Carman on 16 March 2010 - 03:35 PM

I'd say Sidney Crosby. Between face-offs and points he's one of the best overall player this season.

Kesler and Datsyuk are far and away the two best though. Still think Datsyuk has an edge, but Kesler is closing in.


#1916456 Ovie Suspended

Posted by Carman on 15 March 2010 - 07:41 PM

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As much as I want to see iffy hits reined in, Ovie's hit didn't look all that bad to me. He hit him on his side, not his back.

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About the Ovechkin suspension. Incoming wall of text.

I think it's fair. We all know if it was any other player he would have received more games. I understand and accept the fact that star players are more important to the game then 3rd-4th liners. I have no problems with Ovechkin only getting 2 games. Ovechkin is one of the greatest hockey talents ever, he needs to be on the ice scoring goals, not in the stands serving punishment for a borderline hit that ended someone's season. So from that aspect I see no problems on the severity, and I just hope Ovechkin can learn to focus his physical game and use better judgement in the future so he can avoid this. The NHL needs Ovechkin, but it cannot make specials rules it can only bend them.

The hit itself was bad, I don't think it was anything completely horrible, but it was quite apparent that Ovechkin had a lapse in judgment and if he happened to hit someone on the Red Wings there would be a lot less defense for him in this thread. I don't see how anyone can look at that hit and think that should be a acceptable part of the game. In a perfect world whether or not Brian Campbell was injured would not play a prominent role in the length and severity of the punishment, but that's not how life works. An incidental high stick still deserves 2 minutes, and even more if there is blood drawn, intention has little to do on the actually punishment. The outcome of the victim plays a role in the determination of punishment. Now if you want to debate that it shouldn't, it would be a whole different topic on how human society as a whole spanning from the court system, to everyday social situations(for a terrible and maybe sort of extreme example; we all pay more intention to a victim that was murdered, more then a victim that was just injured.)

Now about people that are complaining about consistency and Colin Campbell. Please take a step back and look at the situation from his shoes. What Cooke did certainly deserved a punishment, I think most sane people all agree on this notion. The sad truth of the matter is Campbell has no ground to suspend Cooke. What Cooke did, while absolutely malicious and dangerous, does not violate any rules that are currently instilled in the rule book. Everyone pointing to the "intent to injure" rule needs to understand that it's only enforced when the original play is actually illegal. That rule is not there to punish players for essentially hitting too hard. If that's how you want to interpret the rule you could look at Kronwall's hits, or almost every single one of Scott Steven's hits and attribute disciplinary action. The thing is unless the hit itself is written in the rule book as illegal you cannot enforce that particular "intent to injure" rule. Hopefully they can get the headshot/blindside hit defined and in the rule book as soon as possible, but you cannot just change the rule on the spot. It's not up to Campbell to make the rules. So for that I don't see how you can blame Campbell, when essentially he can only work with the rules he is given.

I hope I can actually get serious feedback from this post and not just "STFU CROSBYLVOER etc."


#1916169 Steve Downie with another questionable play

Posted by Carman on 15 March 2010 - 10:27 AM

You really like to dig yourself in a hole deeper and deeper apparently...

Have fun with that...


Just a forum, no biggie.

Not like I'm losing any sleep over it :lol:


#1916166 Steve Downie with another questionable play

Posted by Carman on 15 March 2010 - 10:15 AM

Baiting is a very naughty bad thing...


I agree.

Look at all the posters in the thread that are saying Crosby deserved it, and he was completely acting.

When I see remarks like this I tend to just match the intelligence I'm surrounded with.


#1916161 Steve Downie with another questionable play

Posted by Carman on 15 March 2010 - 10:07 AM

It doesn't have anything to do with jealousy.

When you blather like you just demonstrated on the subject, you just add further fuel to the fire unnecessarily in making people disliking him more, and not liking you when you embelish people's thoughts with a broad scope.


Sorry, I have a bad habit of stooping down to other's level.

So I tend to just fight fire with fire, makes it more entertaining.


#1916154 Steve Downie with another questionable play

Posted by Carman on 15 March 2010 - 09:51 AM

Sometimes the Crosby hate here really is amazing. Im not huge on the guy, but is he supposed to have some special robotic knee or something that allows it to go sideways like that? He really is a good actor to be able to make his limbs go like that and it not hurt him, maybe he should be in the circus instead.


It's just the jealousy. Wings fans are deprived of great hockey players and leaders like Crosby now that Yzerman has retired.

So pretty much anyone that shows any positivity to Crosby is a Satanist murderer.

Inb4 more negative ratings for my posts. Keep spamming that red button guys!


#1915723 washington at chicago

Posted by Carman on 14 March 2010 - 01:36 PM

Just ignore Carman. He feeds off of attention and will do everything in his power to act like he's not continuing the Crosby vs. Ovechkin debate even when he's clearly doing so.


See this is what I don't get.

I did not start talking about Crosby at all in this thread.

I thought Ovechkin performed yet another dirty play and was baffled that there were people defending him.

Man some people are insane.


#1915719 washington at chicago

Posted by Carman on 14 March 2010 - 01:34 PM

Show me the part where I said I dont like hitting, I cant seem to find it.

Bottom line, that was a careless dirty play by Ovechkin. There is no point in trying to defend him.


Watch out. You might get every single one of you posts negatively marked now like me...


#1915702 washington at chicago

Posted by Carman on 14 March 2010 - 12:58 PM

I have to say I have been watching for the past 10 minutes and this game is boring as f*** without Ovechkin out there. I can only imagine what it is like for non-hockey fans.


While not having a player of Ovechkin's caliber hurts. I believe that neither team is actually playing for something is the bigger reason. The game wasn't even that entertaining in the beginning either.


#1915687 washington at chicago

Posted by Carman on 14 March 2010 - 12:44 PM

I'll believe it when I see it but until then you still have zero credibility in these matters. Your track record dictates a different response.

Crosby and Ovie play two different games, so of course the "evidence" is going to be different. Ovie lays questionable hits and Sid dives.


So just because I like Crosby I have no credibility?

You are being ridiculous. Let's just talk about Ovechkin, unless you have nothing else to defend him with besides pointing at my Crosby stance and say I have no credibility?


#1915674 washington at chicago

Posted by Carman on 14 March 2010 - 12:32 PM

Than you? Absolutely. You have zero objectivity when it comes to matters like these.


And you are the objectivity king since when?

It seems I'm not the only one in the world that thinks Ovechkin was in the wrong here.


#1915670 washington at chicago

Posted by Carman on 14 March 2010 - 12:29 PM

That's impossible considering your track record of hating Ovie and loving Crosby. You have zero credibility.


And the people that love Ovie and hate crosby have better credibility?